While arguements would be a lot simpler if factual backing was irrelevant, that's not the case now, never was, and never will be. To give the passive readers some indication just what you're talking about (rather, what you've misconstrued from the events that actually took place) I've included the full condump taken after our conversation and posted it on the AA forum
here, for lack of resources to place it securely elsewhere and to prevent further inflation in the size of this topic - I hope you don't mind?
While my complaints surrounding tremleague were crude in-game, since you've taken the leisure to fabricate a story in public view, I will also take the leisure to respond to it and offer additional reasons why I see no future for your little league.
First and foremost, if you, or your multiple ventures, want to be taken seriously, you can't make things up or use scapegoats to argue a point. This "unnamed clan" is, when taken into context from the condump, quite obviously AA. Whether it's because of my association with AA, or your personal vendetta against AA, neither are valid reasons for mentioning any clan in your post. Calling me, alone, a clan is generous flattery on your part, but don't try to mislead the innocent public. As for your opinion of this "unnamed clan" as being "not any good", this line from the condump would contradict that:
Smokey+Zilla: Comon, AA's #1!
a statement that still holds true. Unfortunately, the condump did not capture the other statement you made that you valued AA's opinion in things. If you can't refrain from being hypocritical even within the span of one hour, as that is approximately the elapsed time from our conversation to your post here and at the tremleague site, how much trust do you expect us to put with you?
You're involvement in both Zilla® and tremleague really does concern me. I don't see how you can handle both simulataneous and not have one influence the other.
Presently, the only recommended server for having a match on is the Zilla® Match server. This does not work for your claims that Tremleague does not have a Zilla® bias. Carrying the support of a number of different server administrators from different walks of the Tremulous community would have been a big statement of support for Tremleague. I don't see any kind of notable blessing thus far.
I'm also unable to locate the equation that is used to allocate points to the participating teams, a significant ambiguity that should have been in place before you and your Zilla®/Zirra® cronies played a game. However, I can faintly remember a scoring system that awards variable points for wins depending on the other clan - was there any outside feedback on this beforehand? I can only assume that this equation has been proven successful and can be posted either in this thread or on the league site. I'm aware of your recent threads regarding feedback on proposed rules, but even those are merely suggestions, as stated on tremleague.com. You've given little evidence to persuade those who really make the ladder - the clans/players - to inately trust you do things properly and the right way.
Once again, I'm not against a Tremulous clan ladder, I only want to see it done right - from the beginning. If Smokey were to rework this, as he's done two or three times before, from a non-partisan standing, with greater community involvement, a rigid system of rules, and a comprehensiveness that includes clans originating from parts other than, largely, Eastern US, then that would truly be something worthy of the label Tremleague and would be something that all clans could stand behind. Until then, it's nothing more than Zilla® and Friends and can't be trusted for accurate representation of the (competitive) clan scene.
Also - isn't Zilla's® abrasive attitude in seeking a scrim from AA, somewhat visible in the condump, the kind of behaviour you and your fall guy Bull accused AA, both in public and private? I'm not trying to incite further divide between our two clans, but its just curious how you can have two positions on everything from one moment to the next. Is this the kind of "mature manner" you're accustomed to?
I would fully appreciate if the moderator's would refrain from closing this thread, if that course of action would usually be considered, until Smokey can sufficiently address the concerns that are in my post.
