Author Topic: A plea: Enough ATCS! (Read 19213 times)

Smokey · « **on:** February 20, 2008, 06:29:20 pm »

Please, I am BEGGING all these server owners to stop running ATCS so damn much. Its a decent map, but it's SO DAMN OVERPLAYED. There are dozens of quality, fun maps and the only thing servers are running is atcs.

Kthxbai.

Death On Ice · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2008, 07:00:07 pm »

Says the person who got ATCS as the only map in scrims.

Tycho · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2008, 09:01:06 pm »

Quote from: Death On Ice on February 20, 2008, 07:00:07 pm

Says the person who got ATCS as the only map in scrims.

Scrims and public games are two different worlds. For scrimming ATCS is ideal since it's small and balanced, but for public play it is horribly overplayed and dull.

P.S.: I hardly see my favourite map but it is still included with the default installer... I want more Nexus 6!!!

player1 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2008, 09:28:08 pm »

Now if you can get the twenty or so server ops who think it's so great that they run only ATCS continually to read this.

My favorite thing to see on the server list:

[][][][]AAAAAAAAAATCS365/24/7STFUn00b

Where you just know the MOTD must be:

!CALLVOTE MAP=PERMABAN

I think some people have been told too many times that it's the only fair/balanced/symmetrical/adequate map for small/training/n00b/any server(s), that they just believe it, and want to play nothing else, for fear of a overwhelming sense of newness.

Slayer. · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2008, 10:25:16 pm »

ATCS may be over played. But it's still the most liked map for a major percentage of people play Tremulous right now. So sorry Smokey but there will be no end of ATCS for atleast a long time.

player1 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2008, 10:52:32 pm »

The Internet - That type of theater in which every critique is itself a performance

toastisgood · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2008, 01:05:58 am »

Quote from: Smokey on February 20, 2008, 06:29:20 pm

Please, I am BEGGING all these server owners to stop running ATCS so damn much. Its a decent map, but it's SO DAMN OVERPLAYED. There are dozens of quality, fun maps and the only thing servers are running is atcs.

Kthxbai.

just live with it and stop complaining

PIE · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2008, 01:09:19 am »

I'm sick of it but people like it for a reason. Compact clean symmetrical maps are popular. Its straightforward. If you want them to play another map make a map that is more popular.

Slayer. · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2008, 01:23:47 am »

That may be pretty hard. But Mini Nano is pretty fun but it never realy caught on. I think many people like ATCS because of how fast you can learn that map and use it to your advantage. On my perspective I still like ATCS. I don't think it'll die down for me. Call me a noob if you like. But Long Live ATCS.

Smokey · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2008, 02:05:05 am »

Quote from: Slayer. on February 21, 2008, 01:23:47 am

That may be pretty hard. But Mini Nano is pretty fun but it never realy caught on. I think many people like ATCS because of how fast you can learn that map and use it to your advantage. On my perspective I still like ATCS. I don't think it'll die down for me. Call me a noob if you like. But Long Live ATCS.

Thats exactly what you are. Its a small, boring map. There is never any variation in games. It is honestly one of the worst scrim maps too. I never saw anyone complain about camping in a tremor/niveus/nexus6 match. Maybe you should enlighten your leader Slayer, I know he isn't as retarded as you.

DOI: Uh...are you fucking serious? I was the one always pushing for different maps.

your face · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2008, 03:26:23 am »

Quote from: Death On Ice on February 20, 2008, 07:00:07 pm

Says the person who got ATCS as the only map in scrims.

rofl. xD

anyways, ATCS is the ONLY default map that doesnt lag for me besides tremor... so yes, i play atcs and its fine... so just dont play on servers with atcs if you hate it so much

jr2 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2008, 09:06:45 am »

ATCS fanbois = ick

ATCS = halo-style, jump in gwab my wifle an shoooot da wabbits or wun my dwetch and kiss da humans, no need to think just gogogogogogogogogogo.

It's a nice map.. and you can have variation, but you'll likely be kicked for it... they HaTCSlo fanbois are all too busy shooting and don't like to be disturbed by n00bish things like strategy & tactics.

Of course there are exceptions, and it is a very nice map. But I feel like puking after it gets voted in for the 4th time and I was just learning this new map that got added to the rotation. "What! I don't know this map! I can't insta-p00n! /callvote map_name ATCS!!" << that might not be the correct commandline, IDK and IDC.

[^ITC]Master · « **Reply #12 on:** February 22, 2008, 08:45:46 pm »

DuDe ATCS RULES ITLL NEVA GET EXTICNT

Dracone · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2008, 01:06:40 am »

I agree that scrimmages should be played at other maps. More strategy can come into play, obviously.

It's a rather difficult conversion though. NT had a scrim against AA at Tremor that ended up in a draw. It's hard when you don't have any strategies already planned out for other maps. Then again, the need for that hasn't been seen really, what with the way scrims are done now. It's time for something new though.

Also, I don't know why, but I can't seem to like playing in a full rotation. I think it's specifically Karith though. Had the bad luck to play that more than other non-ATCS maps, and it's made me disinterested in full rotations for fear of running into that. I like the other maps, especially Arachnid2 and Niveus, but Karith bores me. Gotta get builders closing the damn long distance from base to base.

Revan · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2008, 03:22:15 am »

ATCS isn't too bad, but the worst part?

at the end of a match there is almost nowhere for the last alien (

ftw!) or human to run / hide

Death On Ice · « **Reply #15 on:** February 24, 2008, 05:30:29 am »

@Smokey: Really? My bad then. I just remember scrims not being very serious until Zilla, and because everyone was serious about scrimming, they wanted a balanced map, so why not a symmetrical one?

Lakitu7 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 24, 2008, 07:36:10 am »

Try living on the West coast. When I go to play at night the only decent servers still alive are AA and OPP and they're both atcs 24/7.

player1 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 24, 2008, 04:13:31 pm »

@Lakitu7: Whereabouts? (Me PNW).

St. Anger · « **Reply #18 on:** February 24, 2008, 04:49:12 pm »

<3 ATCS, All this time playing Trem and it's still by far my favorite map.

Oh and yea jr2 you hit most of the reasons I love ATCS right on the spot, but then again I play that way on every map. The only time you ever need strategy is if you're in a pick up game or a clan match of some sort, otherwise Pubs are simple and generally require no real strategy.

your face · « **Reply #19 on:** February 25, 2008, 03:58:32 pm »

Quote from: Lakitu7 on February 24, 2008, 07:36:10 am

Try living on the West coast. When I go to play at night the only decent servers still alive are AA and OPP and they're both atcs 24/7.

lol, same $:-\$

player1 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 25, 2008, 04:08:26 pm »

I thought you lived in North Carolina face... $:-\$

benmachine · « **Reply #21 on:** February 25, 2008, 07:55:31 pm »

Quote from: Death On Ice on February 24, 2008, 05:30:29 am

they wanted a balanced map, so why not a symmetrical one?

MG Crate is symmetrical.
I think we should start using that for scrims instead

daenyth · « **Reply #22 on:** February 27, 2008, 02:19:13 am »

hai guys, simmerty ekwals balence amirite?

player1 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 27, 2008, 02:34:23 am »

Since the teams are asymmetrical, I can only say that ATCS shows how two entirely different teams play the opposite halves of a mirror map. To me, it is very Quake 3-esque, and a cool way to show how the two teams aren't just the same except that one is Red and one is Blue. It works for training, and I suppose it's good for Us-Humans-Then-You-Humans best-of-three matches, but I think the maps like Nexus6, Niveus and Karith are the most fun. Sometimes the coolest thing to do is strike base and put it in their old base while they move. It drives some teams nutty. "Where'd they go?"

Lava Croft · « **Reply #24 on:** February 27, 2008, 10:11:06 am »

So far, nobody has showcased the relative little mapping skills needed to outdo ATCS, which is rather disturbing, in more ways than one.

your face · « **Reply #25 on:** February 27, 2008, 03:56:21 pm »

Quote from: player1 on February 25, 2008, 04:08:26 pm

I thought you lived in North Carolina face... $:-\$

huh? where'd you hear that?

* your face lives in California

player1 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 27, 2008, 05:28:40 pm »

i got u mixed up with your mama

+ OPTIMUS + · « **Reply #27 on:** February 27, 2008, 06:10:12 pm »

Quote from: player1 on February 27, 2008, 05:28:40 pm

i got u mixed up with your mama

:-DDD

your face · « **Reply #28 on:** February 27, 2008, 09:08:50 pm »

oh lol, thats fine

techhead · « **Reply #29 on:** February 28, 2008, 01:44:24 am »

Quote from: Lava Croft on February 27, 2008, 10:11:06 am

So far, nobody has showcased the relative little mapping skills needed to outdo ATCS, which is rather disturbing, in more ways than one.

May I remind you of:

Ingar's Nano
-AND-
Chomper's UTCS

News:

Author Topic: A plea: Enough ATCS! (Read 19213 times)

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