Sotsa/Bajsefar's "art" dump.

[Bajsefar]

I suddenly got the idea to upload most of the "finished" pics I have stored on this computer on the forums.
Looking for praise and/or antipraise.

Constructive critisism is highly approved, as I am not anywhere near the peak of my potential, and am working actively to improve.

I'm going to put it in links to spare you badwidth wise challenged people:

A face.
Something strange.
The rubber man.
A demolisher.
My face.
WoW art. -.-'
An old man.

That's not all.



Edit: Originals added below.

An old man.
A face.
Rubberman.
Something strange.
Something strange (coloured).

[NiTRoX]

Wow nice!!!!

Try using different colours tough

[Bajsefar]

Yes, I have tremulous stuff.
But that is on my other computer.
Which i currently can't arse to boot up.
But this thread will be extended.
I will add more.
And keep necroin' it.

@both 'a you:Lol at your edit reasons.
I will take no sides, but plz stop fighting in my thred.

Edit:
Nitrox said:
@Bajsefar: Extra credit for trying to follow if player1 is trolling or finally drank the kool-aid as you peruse the links. I personally think he is either schizophrenic, spineless, or trying real hard to sound intelligent.
Bajsefar: Wut?

[your face]

Lol, weird....

Anyways, nice art!

Although I really wanna see some more trem art. 

EDIT: Player1, that's the third time you've edited that post... 

EDIT: O noez, it's gone nao.

[Bajsefar]

Thanks, Your Face.
Anything you (guys) like/dislike in particular?

[NiTRoX]

I liked the Demolisher

the rubber man is a bit too black

[player1]

Hey, nice art. I like the colors, and the feeling of unease I get from certain pieces. A couple were a little marker-scribbly, if you'll pardon a slight bit of criticism (you asked). Let me go back and see which ones I liked best.

in order of the piclinks

LIKE!
meh for scribblies, otherwise like
LIKE!
iknowwutthisisfrom
kewl-ish/meh/how'dudodat?
meh
LIKE!

A Face, The Rubber Man, and An Old Man are all quite nice, and would make good covers for a scifi trilogy. Something Strange would look less schoolboy/scribbly/notebookish/doodly with some minor revision or perhaps a reinterpretation (perhaps a new medium: pastels, crayons, linocut, stencilprint).

I personally prefer the darker version of Rubber Man, but that is just my personal opinion, which you are no obligation to consider whatsoever.

[Bajsefar]

Here is the original Rubber man.

@Player: Yes, plx critisism wants i do.
All of my Pics here are doodles that i continued to work with, so they might be a bit on the sketchy/rought side.
I'm not all that good at making stuff all polished though.

@ player1:

1. Thanks.
2. I was not 70% happy myself.. But it was a fun experiment.
3. Thanks.
4. Heh, I bet you do. :> Was happy with this one. My attempts at squishing it into something small, icon-ish was futile. Therefore, no reply yet.
5. Thanks.

A picture of my face, heavily photoshopped.
No, no.
I am really a nice guy.
And my skin is not that foul...
:>
Pretty much experimenting with photoshop.
New computer, no games, one picture.
This one has gone A LONG WAY from the original picture, including being re-drawn with the line tool in mspaint, made into textures of a wall, mixed up, screwed up intentionally throuch extensive re-storing as JPG etc etc etc..

6.
7. thanks. Did it today.

@ Your Face: In fact, this is the quickest one. Did it in nature science class, because I had my laptop there, and the topic was uninteresting/already known.

[your face]

MY favorite is the "A face."

 

[player1]

All of my Pics here are doodles that i continued to work with, so they might be a bit on the sketchy/rought side.
I'm not all that good at making stuff all polished though.

I think if you look at any creative artist, no matter what the medium, what separates the prolific from the under-represented is the willingness to try again, and again, for decades. I really like the unpolished feeling of anguished energy which resides in the above-named pieces, something which may change with the years (or not). I say just continue to make art, and see what the future holds as regards the absorption of certain principles or practices. What size and in what media are the originals? Good luck with it.

Cheers!

[Bajsefar]

I think if you look at any creative artist, no matter what the medium, what separates the prolific from the under-represented is the willingness to try again, and again, for decades. I really like the unpolished feeling of anguished energy which resides in the above-named pieces, something which may change with the years (or not). I say just continue to make art, and see what the future holds as regards the absorption of certain principles or practices. What size and in what media are the originals? Good luck with it.

Cheers!

Most of these are attempts at making something more finished than basic doodles.

Always learn & improve.

Lookin' forward to next year, I'm gonna attend a 1- year course in animation.

[+ OPTIMUS +]

hey!

nice to see drawings out here.

my advices are the following:

-don't poison the original art so much in photoshop. seriously. any art can be turn to be awful when it has an effect overdose. the original coloring has a way much nicer "material" what is instantly killed when adding too much photoshop setting on it. the "sunlight rayz" could be nice if you would just add it as an effect layer with rather low opacity, and masking out the main characters, so it would only affect the background.

-i like most of the faces you did, especially the first one. it would be nice to see them as original ones.
now, your style is in a "not ready" state. the lines you did has cautios "searching lines" while the main shapes are more brave. i suggest to separate the natural and more emotional styles of yours, so you will not stuck in between. be more BRAVE when you feel like more expressive (i suggest to take a real brush and paint outlines to get the feeling of it), and tompractice with coal(charcoal(?)) to practice with shadows.
you should also search some comic-style ink handling on the net. like at the WoW art, those thin lines are not fitting to the thick ones so much. follow the directions of the shapes with the shadows.

i doN'T have much time now because i gtg back drawing ;-), but i'd like to see further works, maybe i can help as drawing is my hobby, job and life at the same time.

[Bajsefar]

Hey Opti!
This sure gave me a lot to chew on, and that is good. :>
Still just experimenting with the photoshop thing, but it is nice to hear some opoinions. This far I have only had my own opinions to go by. I had a suspicion that I might have been overdoing it, but I let it slip since I still have the PSD file with all the layers etc.

Separate the expressive and natural art... Yeah, I have been thinking about it. For the time being (and for quite some time) I have had a problem with not being able to draw what I first intended. I get carried away, and easily frustrated with not getting things right. So I use the mistakes I already did for making something different.
Now. Although this is the rootwork of my ''all random'' style, like in the "something strange"- It also hinders me somewhat in doing concrete, pre-decided works. (although this is slightly easier in school, where we get certain tasks. (Which means, FEEL FREE TO ASK ME TO DRAW THINGS FOR YOU!)

About the ink thing: Yes, I am a freak, a real drooler for drawing eqipment. But as of the moment, (as you can imagine) my economy is not the most steadfast there is, and I have a really huge list of things I need to buy that I can not afford.

Mostly I do not have time to do this very much, since the schedule at school is kinda tight, and I am a real deadline junkie. But I can start postponing my schoolwork with drawing instead of otherwise playing computer games. I have charcoal and the related tools, though. But my room does not want huge papers and lotsa charcoal dust, so I will have to get out of that room and find somewhere else.


Edit: Also I will post some of the originals in the above thread.

[+ OPTIMUS +]

"unfortunately" the devices and materials you can use for drawing can boost you very-very much. but luckily most of them are cheap.
the charcoal is really cheap and you can buy the cheapest paper to practice, i can tell you that the best is the standard wrapping paper. (well it may vary by country probably :-) i'M thinking about the brown, very basic one)
buying a normal brush, like for 2-4 euros is also affordable, and a bottle of ink is like for one euro. also can be used on almost any kind of paper. at one poit i was really influenced by smearing the freshly painted, still wet ink lines to a certain direction to create stylish lines :-)

being carried away by the process of drawing itself is not bad at all. sometimes i seel that the process itself is the best part of it. it gives a huge amount of satisfaction and happyiness.

well to make myself useful i am afraid i have to ask what kind of school are you attending and how old are you <.< and maybe in wich country are you living. PM it if you don'T wish theese to be public :-) but let's let the discussion flow here so maybe other "arties" can tell their opinions.

[Bajsefar]

@ Opti. I don't mind because this is not very sensitive information. (the picture in the picture thread is more sensitive.)
I live in Norway, and i'm 19 years of age. I go to my last year of 'official' school, I'm not sure what it would be called in us/uk/other places, but it is my 12th year of school. The last 3 years I have been attending a hybrid arts+ bread and butter courses line of school. (arts= duh, bread 'n butter are all the usual subjects like my mother language, english, nature science, and some other jazz.)

So will better tools actually boost your learning process, or will they merely boost your products? At the moment, I do most of my heavy duty, large format, more 'professional' stuff at school, because there i have space, gear and guidance to do it.
I HAVE charcoal and the gear and space to do it at home, but i seem to have an affinity for pen drawings on a4 papers. I usually don't seal off my work when it's 'done' because I am always curious about what more could be done. At the very least, I have a scanner in my room to 'save' my work at different stages, I still have the original pencil version 'Something strange' for example, since I coloured a printed version of the pencil drawing.

I also split pens and china ink, plus brushes, but my pen handle has rusted inside, as i didn't think about the fact that the china ink is water based. (I'm used to some other brand.)

You have been a help, as well as a morale booster, and now I feel like I want to neglect all my schoolwork and draw instead. (Which is stupid, and I shan't.)

[+ OPTIMUS +]

oh i see you uploaded the originals :-)

first, let me have a clear view if any of theese drawings are "copied" from another art stuffs.

like the "old man" is obviously Dhalshim from Street Fighter 2 ^^

the reason why i am asking is because the second one, "a face" is massively awesome, but still somewhat familiar. :-)

I like "rubberman"'s background monsters. i like the contrast of that yellow vs green/magenta.

"something strange"'s main character's head is also cool. the drawing died by coloring unfortunately

what you definitely need is the knowledge of anatomy and waaaay more patience to spend on a single drawing.

"official" and "stylish" drawing (what has nothing to do with talent but seriously needed to do anything with art)  can be learned in two years for anyone, with no supernatural efforts. i've seen many examples for this. approximately three dozens of B8 pencils and hundred A/2 papers are needed. draw studies 2 times a week, that's all you need. with a LIVING model. photos will mislead you very much. i really wasted years of my life by drawing chicks from magazines and photos of my girlfriends. it didn't add ANYTHING to my skills.

i know no "magic", i can only tell what your teachers are probably saying :-)
drawing cubes for experimenting with shades is needed.
drawing first skeletons than muscles is definitely needed.
then you should start to make quick sketches (2 minutes per sight) for at least 3x half an hour of full human bodies with very different positions.
and so on.
=probably this is what you're doing at school, it would be nice to see some of the "official" stuffs happening there, so i could tell if you are in "delay" with your skills.

BUT... you can make theese stuffs way more enjoyable if you combine that with your imagination.
like for cubes and skeletons, you can draw skeleton/zombie soldiers in  a ruined temple. just make up an aim fitting to the next stairstep needed to the next Level ^^

the "secret" is to find the way where you really enjoy the process of doing drawing itself, and not considering it as an effort at all. I think this is the key. i usually make up huge projects of mine to fight for, and that is giving the inspiration to myself. this is also the reason why i mentioned tools. fall in love with a line of charcoal ^^

[Bajsefar]

Hey, Opti.
Never played streed fighter 2. :p The old man was just something I drew sitting here, in this very room.
And 'A face' is also just spinoffs, me drawing a grimacing man.
I know, about 'something strange' I think mainly because i screwed up in choice of colours/didn't have all the colours needed.
Also. I DO need a better knowledge of anathomy. We had it in school, but only for about 1 week straight. (all the skeleton and muscles stuff.) And then we did the 2 min sketches once a week for the whole year. I guess you're right about the living models, but this is a bit embarrasing to me. Not the fact that i'm drawing them, and so on. But the fact that I am wasting their time. But I will have to knowck that off, and just bite it. And I also know that i need more patience for this. The main reason, I think- is that i can't seem to be arsed to make all the scetches/studies/preparations for the final drawing that I do in school.

About anathomy, I have 5 full books, I guess I will be getting down into them again soon. This year has been very busy, and intensely so for a deadline junkie like me.
So what you're saying is that:
1. I should start drawing 'real' models. Ok, I'll see what I can do.
2. I should do studies of the different bones/muscles/muscle groups as to increase my understanding of the 'underlying mechanics'.
3. I should experiment more with shading/lightning on basic shapes, licke spheres, cubes and pyramids, etc.
4. And I might as well try out some different techs, AND get the proper tools to do it in the process, and I may do it in any way I like, as long as I do the previously mentioned, awesome- needed things.

Do you have an MSN adress, or an e-mail? If you want to give it to me, throw over a PM.

Bb, going to bed.

Edit: Oh, and I am really one of the best in my class, but that does not say much because that course is generally used for people who don't know what to do, and do not want a hard 3 years of school. Sadly, they mistake it for being easy.

BUT, the art courses are so wide, supposed to giving a little bit of everything, (specialization is for later.) that such as the anathomy part gets a little insufficial.

[+ OPTIMUS +]

Dhalsim is a similar character, sry for the coincidence ^^
now get off, download MAME emulator and go play street fighter Alpha 3 :-D

hmmm sry to hear that your classmates are not motivated, that makes the "struggle" too easy for you :-)
to be straight, judging from what i've seen you'd have a hard time between decent art-specialized studens ( i mean amongst who wanna make living out of drawing seriously). you should find a competitive platform to be forced to be effective. if your class is not a challenge, search for more. it's just another point where i missed approx. 2-3 years of my skills... i was in class specialised for literature, grammar, history and english and there were only 2 students in town who took drawing srsly so i got huge surprises when i saw what is needed to go to art university. then i hired the girls around to be my models and started to make sketches of them (i know it sounds awfully commerse but it works).

clicking on my profile i guess my email is public, i don't use MSN at all nowadays. as much as i can, i am on HUN irc, and nowadays i spy MG chat also -thats for my instant access.

[Rocinante]

clicking on my profile i guess my email is public

I see it in italics, which I seem to recall means I can only see it because I'm a moderator.  In other words, no I don't think it's public.

Glad to see that Bajsefar is getting some pointers here; he was excited talking about this post in #tremulous after he made it, and I hoped that one of the better artists from the forum would give his work more than a quick glance.  As I said to him then, I'm no artist but they look good to me :>

[mooseberry]

It's not public, and Bajsefar, very nice work indeed!

I like "An Old Man" the best!

[+ OPTIMUS +]

i tought there is an envelove under my name... anyway its valkyx3 snail yahoo of deutschland. :-D

i try to help because there were nobody to help me so i've had to make my own way to compete others who got their knowledge by education.  the funny thing is that my motivation was based on computer and roleplaying games.