Tremulous in the shop for money!!!!!

[TinMan]

Trem is more fun on LAN imo. You're still paying for the power to your computer though.

[Samurai.mac]

if that's what you mean with 'a net'.

I thought it was in case he fell off the chair...

[jal]

Lava, I find funny that you are defending GPL and at the same time attacking hippies, since GPL is probably the hippiest thing in our current society

[+ OPTIMUS +]

...nothing but barely scratch the surface of any kind of problems there may be...

of course nobody wants to save baby whales with that, scratching is enough.
i hope you'll be ready with your antihippie-laserbeam soon so you can save the world and fix thoose real problems.

jal +1

P.S.: !kick your advisors about girls.

[Lava Croft]

As long as people like Optimus keep focusing their energy on important subjects like GPL'd computer games, we can all rest easily and have trust in the gallant people trying to save humanity from a certain doom. Everybody knows that you solve the word's problem by starting with GPL'd computergames, d'oh! Armchair-activism for the total win!

@jal: In fact, the GPL is not that hippie at all, because it puts quite some restrictions on how people are able to do their work, and what to do with their work. Not to mention the part of the GPL where this discussion is kind of about, namely that you are permitted to sell GPL'd software, even if you did not create it, and even without having to let the original creators know. That's not hippie, that's pure capitalism!

[Agresszor]

Ahh i have a strange feeling 

  Lava is the trem seller who did it!

The profitmaker criminal mastermind of tesco and Interspar!

 Or not? 

Anyway i started this topic becouse my favorit game is the trem and i dont like when some people sell something free thing. The free is free not to somebody free some else ones dont. Ok. they dont break law or any else, but hey we are young souls and this soul belive some good idea. The oldest souls have many bad behaviors as not enough any money and I want buy the all world to myself.

Someone belive the profit always good. But the true the profit isn't all. Good good, but not good enough.

  am I stupid? Maybe

[Lava Croft]

Lava is the trem seller who did it!

I will not be held responsible for that questionable box art!

[Tycho]

Agresszor: you pay for the physical form of Tremulous, the boxart, the box, the disc and the fine looking print on it and a good manual. Too bad that none of this is inside that box as far as I know the Hungarian bargain-bin softwares...

[Lava Croft]

Don't worry, these days, most games come ill-equipped in ugly DVD cases, without any kind of proper manual.

[Bissig]

Ah, the good ol' times of huge game boxes, with nice art and manuals with secret code at the bottom line of every page...

[Lava Croft]

Actually, I know of only one game that had a 'secret' code at the bottom of the manual pages, and that 'secret' was not so secret at all, since it was written in Morse. The game is C&C Red Alert. The 'secret' code gives you the Ant missions.

[Bissig]

That is exactly the one I was writing about. And there was also one Ant Map in one of the expansion packs called "the hills have eyes" or something like that.

[+ OPTIMUS +]

as long as this thread is about tremulous, i think whining about the subject is perfectly acceptable. being regardless of how this affects any important things outside tremulous.
pointing out that there are more important things in the world than this is an extremely cheap solution, since this forum is a total waste of time from the point of view of 'life' itself.

from the moment i take my hockey stick, i attach the taser cyberwares, the electric guitar with the sectret brainsmasher distortion accords and suit all my superhero gears to go out to the nightlife to punish the evil, it's no longer a topic of tremulous.

so don'T feel sorry for the energy of those who think these mammutcompanies are acting questionable.

[Lava Croft]

Optimus writes posts like I would do when I was 15 and thought all companies with more than 20 employees were inherently bad, anything produced with the help of dead animals was pure evil, and smoking Camel cigarettes was tasty.

In other words, silly.

[+ OPTIMUS +]

as long as you use the forums as a flux capacitor of your own, it's no wonder that you misunderstand most of it

[Lava Croft]

As long as you keep on mixing up real problems with imaginary problems, you will never solve anything.

[+ OPTIMUS +]

you are working so much on textually photoshopping me (is it text-o-shopping?) that even you beleive in the result. :-D

[Lava Croft]

@Lava, the mentality we are discussing is somewhere behind the "real problems" that you otherwise like to fight against. like the food stuff at the other thread where you recommended the books, or maybe even the water festing cure of cancer. awareness, as you mentioned it at the beginning (now i see that was sarcasm) is a tiny action against it that is not so much effort from individuals.

According to you, selling Tremulous in the shops for money is related to a false cure for cancer, the way our food is produced and what not. How can I think anything about your statements but that they are expressed by someone who does not really know what he is talking about. The cure for cancer is a lie, thinking your factory-processed OJ is healthy is a lie, selling Tremulous in the shops for money is not a lie, it is a right granted to everybody, thanks to the GPL. It has nothing to do with dishonesty, morality or any of such things.

There are real and far more dangerous problems in this world, all of which are completely unrelated to the sale of GPL software.

[+ OPTIMUS +]

How can I think anything about your statements but that they are expressed by someone who does not really know what he is talking about.

as told, it's because you are mixing me with yourself aged 15, so you jump accross some important parts and you are trying to fit your early age poems behind my words.

and as you said also, moral differs from person to person.
my moral is not a friend of "profit for bullshit" mentality, hopefully just as yours.
thats why i think its bad in the case of tremulous also.
in the case of food, cancer, nuclear warfares, religions and what not, i also think that "profit for bullshit" is bad, but this forum is not exactly the place to whine about them.
why i drew a line between these things is the "profit for bullshit" mentality itself.

so don't waste your "armchair activism" capacity on me in the fear of "optimus's empire of superhero coolness". it will emerge at the right place and time, leaving your life unharmed.

[Lava Croft]

How is selling Tremulous in the shops 'profit for bullshit'? By your logic, any kind of freely downloadable software that is sold on physical media falls under this 'profit for bullshit' logic. This means GNU/Linux distributions, y'olde shareware/demo discs and probably some more kinds of software on physical media.

I might go overboard with this comment, but maybe you should try and escape the communist mindset your country has been trapped in for much too long. Making a profit is a good thing, making profit without harming anybody or anything is just perfect. And yes, by selling Tremulous on physical media, nobody is harmed, because like I explained you several times, there is always a required fee to get Tremulous on your computer. It always costs money, and companies/people always make profit over it. Be it your ISP, be it the random person who decided to sell those Tremulous discs.

Please do not act like I am the person who is acting like a childish activist without any understanding of the world, because you know pretty well that you are that person, not me.

[+ OPTIMUS +]

:-) do you think that i've been trained in underground vaults to be communist till the age of eight when the collapse of the soviet union broke my chains? :-D as long as you don't have the slightest clue of living in "communism" (in our case, the so-called 'goulash-socialism'), i'd recommend you not to go overboard ^^

the fee of getting tremulous on your computer online is minimal. the tesco price you've seen on the photo is exactly the price i pay monthly for the internet of 2GB downloading usage. a little more money would grant you unlimited internet at an acceptable speed.

since someone has unlimited downloading capacity, there is no reason of splitting the hairs.

of course a tremulous player has to buy internet, a computer, a monitor, a mouse, a comfortable chair, and probably some kind of tent or a house to be protected from weather while trying to play, not to mention to build some kind of reactor on the nearest brook with his beaver friends to have some electricity.

the point is that if you go to tesco or whatever and buy the stuff, you don't know that its otherwise free. if you would, you could decide if you want to wait that 10 minutes of downloading at home what is just enough to jump down to a music festival to impress some girls, or to buy it right there and install it as soon as you get to your computer.

by my logic, "any kind of freely downloadable software that is sold on physical media falls under this 'profit for bullshit'", if they don't tell you that it's otherwise available freely. why you would buy a pack of camel cigarettes in the shop if they would be downloadable in two minutes from the internet? ;-)

Please do not act like I am the person who is acting like a childish activist without any understanding of the world, because you know pretty well that you are that person, not me.

LOLLYPOPE award nominee in nursery style.

[Agresszor]

Well maybe the the people of post communist countries are better than other ancient capitalists? 
Just imagine! You don't know the air what you are breathing is a free thing (nowdays). A smart (the bad boy) capitalist little man sold it to you for money. You will be pleased, becouse you have air, but if had you know the true about air you never pay any money to him.

Ok the example isn't the best but this is what i think from it.

[player1]

[Bissig]

This battle of the "ancient gamers" is worth compost. Compost Pile to be precise. Compost is free too.

[Lava Croft]

But it's really hard to understand that what may look 'free', actually is not that 'free' at all!

[+ OPTIMUS +]

after this beautyful sunday, we can be very satisfied about telling our opinions brightly, but still having this entertaining abyss between us. welcome to monday.

[Bajsefar]

May I bring down the STFU?
I mean, this is silly from both parts.
The keeping on of the argument, that is, since you do not agree, what's the use of verbally, subtly bashing each other?

[Lava Croft]

The last post was at 9am yesterday. Today, almost 36 hours later, you come with your STFU. Maybe next time look at when the last post was actually posted before you try and bring down the hammer of righteousness on us.

[Tycho]

The last post was at 9am yesterday. Today, almost 36 hours later, you come with your STFU. Maybe next time look at when the last post was actually posted before you try and bring down the hammer of righteousness on us.

Oh LOL, no! He is using the classic method of trolling on a forum Posts in a dieing-off argument something totally inane and response generating like that STFU to ensure it will continue for his amusement (or he is completely unaware of this and does this unintentionally but receives the same reaction )

[gareth]