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Vector_Matt

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On human camping
« on: June 12, 2006, 03:00:45 pm »
This topic is to explain some of the reasons humans camp, and help reduce the number of less informed aliens who complain about camping.

Camping: Why?
Humans camp for several reasons:

1. No health regen; Humans need to go back to base more than aliens for the simple fact that humans don't regen health.

2. Alien camping; This is the most prevalent reason for human camping. One of the most annoying things is when aliens are camping the human base and complain about human camping, how many humans do you know who would willingly run into the midle of a goon, maurader, dretch swarm with the occasional basilisk thrown in? It'd be suicide.

3. Noobishness; This is the most frequently used complaint and the least applicable, Humans almost never camp for no reason, but sometimes they might.

Camping: How to stop it?
Stopping the camping is very simple (with the exception of number 3 above.)

1. Stop camping the campers: If the aliens leave, 99% of the time the humans will soon get bored/curious and start to wander out of thier base, this is when you wait in ambush ( a considerable distance away so as not to promote camping [again]), and nail the humans when they come to you.




I hope this has been helpful.

If you have information to add or questions let me know and I will update this post to reflect the changes.
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Stof

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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2006, 03:12:10 pm »
Another reason for human camping : humans are incredibly weak without stage 2 tech. Without helmet or battlesuit, any alien can kill a human before he has time to see what happens.

If the map is straightforward enouth that aliens have no place to ambush the humans, you'll see them venture outside their base at stage 1. If the map is a little bigger than that, any human that ventures outside his base WILL end up with a dretch falling from the ceiling on his head or facing a dragoon right after the next corner who will chomp him in one hit.
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Vector_Matt

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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2006, 03:25:15 pm »
Quote from: "Stof"
Another reason for human camping : humans are incredibly weak without stage 2 tech. Without helmet or battlesuit, any alien can kill a human before he has time to see what happens.
Well I would place this in one of two catagories:
Either in the aliens camping humans (If the humans are getting kills while sitting around),
Or in the noobishness catagory (if tha aliens are not near the human base and the humans are camping because they are ALL scared and refuse to organise a team of more than one to goo out)

Thanks for the input.
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Stof

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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2006, 03:39:28 pm »
Going in groups works ok until :
- you come face to face with an equal number of dretches
- there is a good dragoon player around

In that last case, it's very common for a 3-4 player squad to get killed by the dragoon, no matter how good the humans are ( or you could say that the good humans stayed in the base ;) ) In fact, ambushing and killing a good dragoon player is very difficult until you can organise a team of 3-4 well equipped humans ( armor for all, shotgun, chaingun or pulse rifle )
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kozak6

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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2006, 04:00:51 pm »
You are right about the Goons.  

I often end up camping stage one because of them.

If I have saved up enough for armor and a chaingun, that's a serious investment, especially becuase I'm a lousy shot  :eek: .  It's a real pain to step past the turrets and get chomped by a goon, and have all that go to waste.
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2006, 05:11:22 pm »
I personally can't stand camping, even as a human. I always dretch hunt at S1, there is no need to camp behind turrets, as you have an advantage if you pay attention and learn to dodge. Camping merely lets them get the 2 evo points to go marauder and then ransack your base.
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2006, 06:15:52 pm »
I go goon hunting at s1 as well, if i'm playing human. Well, depends on who the goon is. If it's someone I know, who rocks as a goon then no, it'll mean feeding them. But if it's a regular joe, I'll unload all I have without the goon even touching me once. Light armor is required. Also, people buying light armor and a chaingun are wasting creds since the chain is near useless unless you have a BSUIT. Yeah, crouching will stabilize the gun, and will put your head in the perfect position for eating. Get a shotty, or a stock rifle and have fun without wasting creds.
Also, don't venture off alone full speed. You'll get eaten around the first corner. Know how to keep formation, don't all go in one line since ambushing will be very easy. I know, I do it with a dretch all the time ;)
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2006, 07:00:08 pm »
Fighting a goon, even a good one, on stage1 is not really a problem with armor and shotgun IF he's alone. If there are dretches around him... *shudders*
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Stof

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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2006, 07:06:25 pm »
Quote from: "PHREAK"
I go goon hunting at s1 as well, if i'm playing human. Well, depends on who the goon is. If it's someone I know, who rocks as a goon then no, it'll mean feeding them. But if it's a regular joe, I'll unload all I have without the goon even touching me once. Light armor is required. Also, people buying light armor and a chaingun are wasting creds since the chain is near useless unless you have a BSUIT. Yeah, crouching will stabilize the gun, and will put your head in the perfect position for eating. Get a shotty, or a stock rifle and have fun without wasting creds.
Also, don't venture off alone full speed. You'll get eaten around the first corner. Know how to keep formation, don't all go in one line since ambushing will be very easy. I know, I do it with a dretch all the time ;)

You don't need stability for the Chaingun, you need a big enouth target. If there are quite a few dragoon around at stage 1, then I'll go with just a chaingun and try to kill them from a distance while they are busy eating the other humans :D
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2006, 07:49:27 pm »
The mass driver is a plauge for s1 aliens. You can snipe a dretch in one hit, a granger in 1-2, a basalisk in 1-2, a marauder in 2-3, and a goon in 3-4. 4 humans skilled with mass drivers can kill the entire alien base.
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2006, 10:50:01 pm »
Quote from: "Paradox"
The mass driver is a plauge for s1 aliens. You can snipe a dretch in one hit, a granger in 1-2, a basalisk in 1-2, a marauder in 2-3, and a goon in 3-4. 4 humans skilled with mass drivers can kill the entire alien base.


Takes a few more hits than that to kill a goon and marauder, and a decent player of either will have killed you before you can finish them off with a mass driver alone. However for dretch hunting it is indeed awesome. Also a good way to claw your money back when you have lost most of it in the later game. Sitting safely sniping any foolish dretches that appear...

For goon hunting at S1, your best bet is the shotty, but its still risky as hell. For base killing at S1 my weapon of choice is the lasgun - precision damage and enough ammo to level a significant amount.

I also very rarely use the chaingun at S1, or at all tbh. I would always rather have a pulse rifle, as its more versatile - still excellent at killing larger aliens, but can also deal with dretches well, and far superior for base levelling. At stage 3 I'm a lucy whore, and take a battlesuit even less often than I do a chaingun. Light armour, helmet, battery, lucy (or pulse at s2), grenade. Its the way forward I tell thee.
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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2006, 08:46:45 am »
Another reason for human camping :

- To get credits to buy Battle Suit and good weapon. I often find myself camping just to get credits because yes, humans suck without armor. And when we finally do get enough credits to buy good armor and weapons we go out and get killed by goons/tyrants which makes us camp for more credits.. again.
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PHREAK

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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2006, 09:04:25 am »
Quote from: "Outcast"
Another reason for human camping :

- To get credits to buy Battle Suit and good weapon. I often find myself camping just to get credits because yes, humans suck without armor. And when we finally do get enough credits to buy good armor and weapons we go out and get killed by goons/tyrants which makes us camp for more credits.. again.

Well thats the flaw. You dont need a bsuit and a lucy to leave base. Many of us do it with helmet and shotty. A full round shotty is just right for a goon, and enough for a tyrant if there is 2 of you. If you sit tight till s3, chances are you're gonna lose. I'm not saying feed, but you'd be supprised what a team of 5 good player can do at s1 or 2.
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Neo

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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2006, 09:14:27 am »
yeah, you need to get out there and stop them getting to S3 or advanced forms. If you can't kill the alien team byt the time they get to S3, then your chances of winning drop dramatically, normally the only thing that will save you is the time limit.
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2006, 05:13:29 pm »
I find that a human team usually starts camp completely inside their base is

1. the team itself isn't very good as a whole.
2. Because when they want to built more defensive structures to put in use in the future.
3. Because they want to prevent feeding the alien team or they want to get to the next stage for better armor and more weapons by letting the good players do the work for them.
4. Because they are simply afraid of getting eaten by goon or tyrant.
5. They actually think that the key to winning the game or getting to the next stage as a human is to camp.
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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2006, 05:23:17 pm »
The Las Gun is perhaps the most powerful stage 1, and even stage 2 gun. It does almost the same damage as a shotgun, is fast, and automatic. Sure the prifle can do lots of damage, but it is slow. The best close range tool at s1 is the painsaw. 3 Humans with a painsaw, 1 with a shotgun, and 1 with a lasgun can take down the whole alien base, with the whole alien team being goons (i know, it happened yesterday on killaz). The most powerful close range gun at s2 and possibly even s3 is the flamer. You can toast most aliens very quickly if you have skills, and do not spam. There are a few combos that are nightmares to any alien. They are a helmet & armor with a flamer combo, a bsuit with a chaingun, and a bsuit with a painsaw. A psawing bsuit can kill tyrants like that (snaps fingers).
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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2006, 11:39:52 pm »
I have the feeling that turrets are by far stronger than any stage 1 weapon... such a swift aimbot is not going to give poor 25hps dretch a chance.

Compare that to the 4 base aliens a very skilled vanilla marine can kill in Natural Selection with just one rifle clip (not counting the backup pistol which is just as deadly)
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2006, 12:44:17 am »
Quote from: "Paradox"
A psawing bsuit can kill tyrants like that (snaps fingers).

only vs noob tyrants...

tyrant range >> psaw range

chances are pretty good that you arent going to land one single hit...
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2006, 12:56:59 am »
Seeing a BSuit with a painsaw running in my direction always gives me a hearty laugh... even as a goon... :D

Danny
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2006, 02:13:07 am »
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Megabite"]Seeing a BSuit with a painsaw running in my direction always gives me a hearty laugh... even as a goon... :D

Danny

I think psaw + battlesuit has better chance against bigge ralien than its equivolent in credits (armor + pulse/chain).


Camping humans are often more frustrating when you are on humans.  Nothing like taking down an OM with aliens on the brink of losing only to find out your team wouldn't leave the base to finish them off.  
At least aliens will (most likely) win when humans camp.  But watching your team camp to a loss is never fun.
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2006, 10:00:09 am »
Quote from: "|Nex|TrEmMa"
I think psaw + battlesuit has better chance against bigge ralien than its equivolent in credits (armor + pulse/chain).


Not against an alien that knows how to move. ;)

Danny
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