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rotacak

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Anyone want help me with my maps?
« on: October 14, 2008, 03:15:20 pm »
I want to ask if someone from good mappers want to help finish my maps. I created Rotcannon, Boxfield and Mission One. All of these are almost completed, but they need more details around for better look and I am bad with that.

If nobody want to help, then I will finish them myself, someday and somewhat.

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2008, 09:13:43 pm »
Those maps are AWESOME (in TremSpain we were fans of Mission One xD ), but I think that better texturing and details wouldn't be bad ;)

I'm starting with radiant now, but I get to a good level soon I'll be glad to help ;)

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2008, 10:35:29 pm »
You need to fix your maps first in aspects of stopping to be gimmicky and only fun for kids with ADHS. You have learned a lot about map making too bad you use it on non-gameplay related features rather then creating a really awesome map.

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2008, 02:40:35 am »
ouch, harsh

i think his maps have brought a somewhat...... easier, more fun feeling to tremulous. sure they aren't a work of art, but they allow the player to have fun, and thats the point of a video game, isn't it? 

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2008, 04:37:56 am »
Asking people to finish the decrepid shit you poop out and call maps is like asking them to jump off a cliff.

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2008, 04:37:58 am »
Well, Tremulous is not a jump and run game, so I'd say f.e. Mission One does not quite fit the theme.

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2008, 09:58:14 am »
¬¬ You are the same that defend TremFusion because "it's GPL, if you want it you take it, if you don't then shut up".

This maps are good, and with some more detail they will be AWESOME. That's my opinion.

PS: Lava you are the president of the "international decrepid shit recognition society"? Why did your opinion mean more than mine? I have forgotten.

rotacak

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2008, 01:13:33 pm »
Ellohir: Thanx. Yes, in Mission One is often fun :D

Bissig: Like I said. I am not good maper. When I make common map, it will be commom + ugly look. No fun, nothing special, nobody will play it. And I don't want make common maps. I want to make special, interesing and gimmicky maps. When I played Mission One for the first time on Tremspain, I laugh+cry to death. "only fun for kids" that is your opinion, but I see Mission One and Rotcannon often (close to always) in server masterlist, so there must be lots of kids. And when was my server up and crowded, Rotcannon was played there 8 hours without map change. And there was players, who played that map that 8 hours continuously.

So, you maybe not like these maps, but that not means that maps are globaly bad. Someone like it, someone no. I see. And even if that maps are really bad, then I don't care. I looking for someone who like it and want to make their look better. That is all.

There is aroud enough very good mappers (yesterday I saw map Slimepunk - perfect mapping), they producing common maps, that fit in tremulous theme, I can't do anything in this league.

Lava Croft: Please... When you talking about shit, you should start with best server site http://satgnu.net/ where is absolutedly nothing, even server ip adress, so i can't try the best server on the world. Most important is W3C validator icon on bottom, but even there is nothing, then is there 15 validation errors (Result: 15 Errors, 15 warning(s)).

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2008, 04:53:02 pm »
What does http://satgnu.net, which is not my website, nor hosted on my server, but of course, endorsed by me, have to do with your shitty maps?

Why don't you just say my Tremulous maps suck just as much as yours? Of course you would be wrong, but at least you would not whine at a whole group of people, a group which has little to do with your shitty maps, this thread, and certainly not with my personal comments about either of them.
Or is it just because you know damn well your maps are completely poop, and therefore you do not dare to negatively comment on someone else's work?

Please stop mapping and never start again.
Never.

rotacak

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2008, 06:26:32 pm »
What does http://satgnu.net, which is not my website, nor hosted on my server, but of course, endorsed by me, have to do with your shitty maps?

Why don't you just say my Tremulous maps suck just as much as yours? Of course you would be wrong, but at least you would not whine at a whole group of people, a group which has little to do with your shitty maps, this thread, and certainly not with my personal comments about either of them.
Or is it just because you know damn well your maps are completely poop, and therefore you do not dare to negatively comment on someone else's work?

Please stop mapping and never start again.
Never.

I want to find someone, who like my maps and can improve their look, because gameplay and balance is done. End of story. That have absolutedly nothing to do with quality of my maps or anything else.

On my maps suck only their look and low fps. Most important is playability and that my maps have. If you don't like it, don't play it, that is easy.

BTW, I mentioned that website, because you started talking about shit (and probably about maps that you never tryed to play, like Boxfield). And you have something like shit in your signature and I saw how you advertising satgnu server like the best. So, you attacking my work, maps that are loved by many players. On the other side you advertising "very good server", but when I want to try that server, I can't because there is (and that REALLY is) shit website and I found no server IP or any other useful information. In masterlist is totally mess, I not found that server there. So what is shit? Popular maps or unusable website, what you advertised? Before you start saying "shit" around, look in your signature. That is why.

I don't get how user like you can be moderator, when you itself starting offtopic, insted of deleting it.  ???

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2008, 06:29:03 pm »
even though mission one may have seemed gimmicky, I still had an enjoyable time playing it. :D
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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2008, 12:12:15 am »
even though mission one may have seemed gimmicky, I still had an enjoyable time playing it. :D

Try it as Alien..

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2008, 01:18:50 am »
While his maps may look like crap, I have to say the are some of the most played non 1.1 packaged maps, so it does not seem unreasonable to ask for help on them.
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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2008, 03:05:18 am »
I have to say the are some of the most played non 1.1 packaged maps
When the two most consistently populated servers are places like A and X, that doesn't say a lot.
Stop it. Seriously.

Lava Croft

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2008, 04:50:46 am »
@rotacak: The fact you cannot find any information on how to connect to SatGNU-trem makes you the first person that is unable to find out how to connect to SatGNU-trem. I think this says more about your abilities than it does about the rather shitty website SatGNU hosts.
In case you think I do not try out just about every map that is released on this forums, you are wrong. I just think that maps you create are worse than just a boxmap, since it seems you are making sure that you only release shitty boxmaps. By releasing all those insanely crappy maps, I feel insulted. Please stop mapping.

I have to say the are some of the most played non 1.1 packaged maps
I am waiting for the day when popularity says anything about quality.

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2008, 05:34:28 am »
I never said it did. But since so many people seem to enjoy playing on his maps so he should improve the quality to make their time on the map more enjoyable.
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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2008, 07:07:21 am »
By releasing all those insanely crappy maps, I feel insulted.

Allright, at least now I understand what your mouths fills before saying the word "map". I guess it's an honor thing or something, you have to have the last insult or whatever.

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2008, 10:25:21 am »
rotacak, the mist of anger might darken your eyes too much to realise that lava is only trying to encourage you towards doing more complex maps what are not a pain for the eyes.
the fact that you posted a thread what tells that you are simply too lazy to bring your mapping skills to the next level is rather sad, what is possibly the reason is why he is upset.
it seems that you are kind of "killwhoring" with box maps rather than winning the game ;-)
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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2008, 11:00:09 am »
I would've flamed your attempts earlier, but A) I'm a nice guy, and B) I'm rather fond of M1, and would've offered to detail it for you if it didn't look like you were just giving up.
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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2008, 02:13:20 pm »
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What does http://satgnu.net, which is not my website, nor hosted on my server, but of course, endorsed by me, have to do with your shitty maps?
Now what your opinion about his maps have to do with this topic? He asked for help, not comments.
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they need more details around for better look and I am bad with that.
practise?
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the fact that you posted a thread what tells that you are simply too lazy to bring your mapping skills to the next level
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Lava Croft

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2008, 03:30:53 pm »
I almost completely agree with Opti for a change, with one huge exception:

I do not want to encourage him to make more complex maps, I want to encourage him to remove GtkRadiant from his computer and give up on mapping.
Asking people to 'finish' your boxmaps is the same as giving up, only I prefer to be honest about it.

I think the word 'finish' in this regard is more like this 'finish'.


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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2008, 03:38:55 pm »
rotacak, the mist of anger might darken your eyes too much to realise that lava is only trying to encourage you towards doing more complex maps what are not a pain for the eyes.
the fact that you posted a thread what tells that you are simply too lazy to bring your mapping skills to the next level is rather sad, what is possibly the reason is why he is upset.
it seems that you are kind of "killwhoring" with box maps rather than winning the game ;-)
Pain for the eyes is that reason, why I seeking someone for help... If I will be good mapper, then I will seek nobody. If I ask for help someone to improve look my maps and reply is "you map look is crap, I not help you", then it make no sense. So, I think this is clear.

"You are simply too lazy" - I not have ability for detail mapping. One thing is learn to use GTK radiant, other is make good looking details. Also I have no time. I know I never will be good like Veddak Station, Slimepunk, Ancient Remains mappers or any other good mappers. It's common thing, when more people working together on one map.

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2008, 03:48:49 pm »
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they need more details around for better look and I am bad with that.
practise?
Heh. I am webmaster, I programming in PHP. But I can't create perfect graphic. If I doing graphic, it take several days, many and many corrections and result is poor, or only good. Never perfect. I can trying to make graphic month and nothing will change. If graphic doing someone who known it, then he have work complete after one day and it is perfect.

There practice not help.

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Do it now, dont wait for help

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2008, 04:26:41 pm »
Lava, cant you stop being such a provocative dope for once, fair enough you dont like hims maps, but clearly some people do.

You can merely say, "i never liked your maps myself" and offer him advice (like Optimus), instead of being deliberately provocative. Seriously, do you know how to construct sentences in a non-offensive way?




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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2008, 04:44:41 pm »
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Heh. I am webmaster, I programming in PHP. But I can't create perfect graphic. If I doing graphic, it take several days, many and many corrections and result is poor, or only good. Never perfect. I can trying to make graphic month and nothing will change. If graphic doing someone who known it, then he have work complete after one day and it is perfect.
If you keep thinking "I suck cause thingies i make aren't perfect" or "I'm good with something so i can't be good in something else" then yeah - you suck ;) There's NOTHING perfect. And i am php programmer too, for nearly 4 years, i'm learning python, i play at guitar. And many folks like my graphic :O cause of practice.
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If yes, then result will be poor.
Then make it looking cool. Simple IMO
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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2008, 05:28:29 pm »
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Heh. I am webmaster, I programming in PHP. But I can't create perfect graphic. If I doing graphic, it take several days, many and many corrections and result is poor, or only good. Never perfect. I can trying to make graphic month and nothing will change. If graphic doing someone who known it, then he have work complete after one day and it is perfect.
If you keep thinking "I suck cause thingies i make aren't perfect" or "I'm good with something so i can't be good in something else" then yeah - you suck ;) There's NOTHING perfect. And i am php programmer too, for nearly 4 years, i'm learning python, i play at guitar. And many folks like my graphic :O cause of practice.
Maybe you "perfect" is different than my "perfect" :) Or you are just better. It's possible learn more programming languages, playing at guitar and pian for me. But I never will be graphician. Want to see how looks human when I drawed it on paper? :) There nothing help me... Even with long practice.

Btw, you saw map with name Uranium? There is many details, but result is very bad. Similar things will probably happen when I will do detailing my maps. Like that pipes in Rotcannon - they are useful but looks bad.

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2008, 05:31:59 pm »
I think rotacak is just trying to explain that he basically sucks at mapping, releases shitty boxmaps, while pouring salt into open wounds with posting a thread in which he asks the community to 'finish' his pile of boxmap feces.

Way to go.

Now, rotacak, please make pretty maps that match your creative use of triggers and movers. Saying that you are not able to create such details is not true, you are just insecure, have a lack of selfconfidence and knowledge of your own abilities. All it takes is you opening your eyes, copying what you see into Radiant. When walking from your home to the supermarket, open your eyes and look around you. That little niche you see in the wall over to your left? Use it in your map. That small light you see on the wall on your right? Use it. Use everything that you notice about the everyday world around you, since the things you notice in your everyday life are exactly the details your map needs. All it takes is some time and some motivation, but mostly it requires you to stop whining and being content with your shitty maps.

For example, instead of a complete map, try spending the next 2 months solely on creating details for a potential map. Details that you can save as .map files, ready for you to copy and paste into any potential map you might be working on.

[PS] Happy, Opti?

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2008, 05:40:12 pm »
Lava Croft: Is there any law why I can't work on map with someone together?

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2008, 06:03:51 pm »
That's some way of missing the point...

Let's just forget this, in your particular case, I gladly admit defeat.

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Re: Anyone want help me with my maps?
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2008, 06:16:03 pm »
That's some way of missing the point...

Let's just forget this, in your particular case, I gladly admit defeat.

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