Poll

Barricades are really worth:

10 - Barricades are an essential part of every base design.
3 (7.1%)
8 - I could spare an acid tube for one, I suppose.
5 (11.9%)
6 - Damn, I have these points left over...
9 (21.4%)
4 - Well, it's so cheap, why not?
11 (26.2%)
2 - Meh, one barricades is useless, but 5 of them here might be OK...
11 (26.2%)
0 - You couldn't pay me to use barricades.
3 (7.1%)

Total Members Voted: 41

Voting closed: June 22, 2006, 03:33:39 am

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chompers

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How much would you pay for a barricade?
« on: June 22, 2006, 03:33:39 am »
Few experienced grangers build barricades, and rightly so IMHO.

For the cost of a barricade, you can build an egg. Eggs have more HP, don't get in the way of tyrants, expand your buildable area, slow the enemy down just like a barricade, can go on ceilings and of course they also function as a spawn point. All this for the same cost as a barricade. There ARE times when a barricade is truly useful, but for the cost, those times are really very rare.

So, I'm curious to see how much people think barricades are really worth, or perhaps what you would change about barricades to make them worth the 10 build points.

Quaoar

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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2006, 03:44:53 am »
Eggs can't function like barricades, cause of their hitbox. Bullets will go right through the bulb of the egg and into the base, so all it does is cause a visual obstruction. Plus, doesn't a barricade have more HP than an egg?

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How much would you pay for a barricade?
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2006, 04:37:05 am »
I (when my team doesn't complaint and keep calling me "n00p") build a barricade (just 1) near the Overmiind for:

a) stop bullets from the distance
b)Make grenades bounce back and not hurt the om so much.

Sometimes people will preffer to build an acid tubes, but the problem is that that tube actually hold the grenade right near the OM.

Others say it's better to build a hovel in front, but that's just if the OM is on a high place (nexus alien base) and need to block a bit.

And no, it's not cheap, it's costly for what it actually does, and i hope it gets either cheaper or stronger for next version.

Stof

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Re: How much would you pay for a barricade?
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2006, 10:01:55 am »
Quote from: "chompers"
Few experienced grangers build barricades, and rightly so IMHO.

For the cost of a barricade, you can build an egg. Eggs have more HP, don't get in the way of tyrants, expand your buildable area, slow the enemy down just like a barricade, can go on ceilings and of course they also function as a spawn point. All this for the same cost as a barricade. There ARE times when a barricade is truly useful, but for the cost, those times are really very rare.

So, I'm curious to see how much people think barricades are really worth, or perhaps what you would change about barricades to make them worth the 10 build points.

Barricades are nearly useless, but not because an egg can do the same job better !
- Eggs give credits when killed, not barricades.
- Eggs can go on ceiling but not barricades. On the other hand, a barricade on the ceiling would be 99.99% of the time completly useless so it isn't a problem :)
- Barricades block tyrants but not eggs. Well, I hope you can see that eggs do not block humans as they can easily jump on top of it. And also, you'll probably notice soon enouth that most of the time, a barricade doesn't block an human either because there is quite enouth room in each corridor to pass between the barricade and the wall. And the funniest of all is that in that situation, the bigger alien forms cannot follow you and so, that barricade actually helped the human escape !
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chompers

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2006, 10:24:30 am »
yes, egg gives 150 credits.

This means anywhere a human would just walk around a barricade, they will always stop to destroy an egg. You see? Egg does the barricades job better after all!

Stof

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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2006, 01:41:28 pm »
Quote from: "chompers"
yes, egg gives 150 credits.

This means anywhere a human would just walk around a barricade, they will always stop to destroy an egg. You see? Egg does the barricades job better after all!

But an egg doesn't protect the eggs from getting killed by the humans ! So in that situation, no building at all in the human path would be even better :)

But wait, we can go even further ! No buildings means the humans cannot kill the alien base, and so, the alien base is safe no matter what the humans do ! Evil :D
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18 ) Make it too tough for the enemy to get in and you can't get out.

Draconishinobi

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How much would you pay for a barricade?
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2006, 10:58:07 pm »
Barricades have only 2 limited, but sometimes useful strategic uses:

1) when placed correctly they can prevent grenades from getting too close to om
2) they can prevent lumberjacks from bringing down most of the base ... like the traditional ramp trap with a barricade up front and a few acid tubes in back to spray the lumberjack while he's hacking at the barricade ... by the time barricade dies so does lumberjack :)

other than that they have no function other than to impede movement ... techinically they can also take about 1 lucifer ball before dieing, but that won't help much.

possible # 3) They can prevent low powered weapons from harming base structures (rifle ... and that's about it)

Survivor

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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2006, 11:32:23 pm »
I use them to direct people into the path of a trapper. BS more often walk around one than waste time and ammo blowing it up. Gloom2beta2 has an excellent spot for this but not really in any other map. 6 points should do.
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Rekov

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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2006, 03:10:41 am »
I dont like barricades, and I never use them. I voted for 2 because there always seems to be a few points left over in S3
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Draconishinobi

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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2006, 03:15:43 am »
Quote from: "Survivor"
I use them to direct people into the path of a trapper. BS more often walk around one than waste time and ammo blowing it up. Gloom2beta2 has an excellent spot for this but not really in any other map. 6 points should do.


Yes indeed ... and I happen to have a screenshot of it

gloom 2 beta 2



that's a trapper on the cieling, I figure they take the easy way around the barricade.

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chompers

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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2006, 03:18:01 am »
Now that I think about it, every structure on humans and aliens is worth an even number of points.

So, shouldn't all the points be halved for everything?
Anyway, I am changing my vote from 2 to 3, even though 3 isnt an option.