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Amanieu

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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #60 on: January 28, 2009, 12:48:12 pm »
Patching the master won't work. What should instead be done is this:
- Filter out non-printable chars
- Sort by ping
Therefore: Need a new release.
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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #61 on: January 28, 2009, 12:51:32 pm »
Read my post.  Patching the master server to filter out characters not only will work, it has worked.  It was done and reverted because of how it was done which is to say completely without warning and resulting in a lot of servers vanishing from the list with no time to prepare and no reason why they vanished.  As I understand it, it was done without any warning to anyone, including the dev team.

Sort by ping just means people then have to hit sort by players to find a populated server.  Sorting by multiple fields, now that would be useful.
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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #62 on: January 28, 2009, 04:34:06 pm »
typically I get new list, don't show empty servers, then sort by ping. albeit rarely.
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Amanieu

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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #63 on: January 28, 2009, 05:58:39 pm »
Quote from: tuple on January 28, 2009, 12:51:32 pm
Read my post.  Patching the master server to filter out characters not only will work, it has worked.  It was done and reverted because of how it was done which is to say completely without warning and resulting in a lot of servers vanishing from the list with no time to prepare and no reason why they vanished.  As I understand it, it was done without any warning to anyone, including the dev team.
It's very easy to make the server report a 'special' name to the master and the name with boxes to all clients. The master server only sends clients a list of IPs, the clients then query the servers to get the name.
Quote from: tuple on January 28, 2009, 12:51:32 pm
Sort by ping just means people then have to hit sort by players to find a populated server.  Sorting by multiple fields, now that would be useful.
Sort by ping + don't show empty servers.
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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #64 on: January 28, 2009, 10:09:54 pm »
I suppose some people's thoughts about this can be looked at as a crying out of, "Stop playing there, play here instead," even though it is, to the best of my knowledge, fully within the rights of the hosts of the X, A, and M servers to do as they wish with their server. Still, it's looking quite true that these servers do less for the community when a new player goes into them than if the said new player had started by going into a non-modded server.

I myself have played from time to time at these servers, popping in once in a while. Usually, if I'm going to play at them, I do go to X. There, I find that having the high experience and skill that I do with 1.1 settings allows me, and definitely anyone else of even a few notches down in skill, to take almost full control of the flow of gameplay. Being able to take a marauder and annihilate almost a whole base full of 10 battlesuits can be fun, but the entertainment doesn't last for me.

Unless the hosts of these servers realize exactly HOW their servers affect the community, as compared to how much more inviting a start at a 1.1 server is, there really isn't any current "right" solution to this "problem."
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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #65 on: January 29, 2009, 07:25:44 am »
True. Servers like "X" has high influence, especially on new players. What can we actually do about it? Nothing thats in our power to affect it in the way we want it to. If Tremulous (Dare I say) ever does go down, one of the many contributing factors will be this server and the Granger's blood will be on the hands of people like Spec. Which is unfortunate to say, but I would be lying to myself if I said the opposite. 

What we could do now is just enjoy what servers like these has to offer, hope for an improved server browser that could fix this and watch. :(
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Amanieu

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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #66 on: January 29, 2009, 12:05:37 pm »
You people should stop blaming all of trem's troubles on these servers. Bitching about them here won't help you. Instead you should go put more boxes in your server name so that new players will come to your server instead of theirs. (Oh and please don't bitch about how ugly the server list will look, just use a decent client)
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« Reply #67 on: January 29, 2009, 10:56:56 pm »
There are clients where I can actually see the server names instead of just boxes?!
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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #68 on: January 30, 2009, 04:50:58 am »
Tremfusion is a treatment, not the cure.
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Kaine

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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #69 on: January 30, 2009, 05:10:27 am »
Fair enough.

As long as we both agree that it most certainly isn't the problem.
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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #70 on: January 30, 2009, 08:00:22 am »
Quote from: Amanieu on January 28, 2009, 12:48:12 pm
Patching the master won't work. What should instead be done is this:
- Filter out non-printable chars
- Sort by ping
Therefore: Need a new release.

Agreed 100%. The default sorting should be by ping, not server name. Filtering out non-printable chars is proper, but will not solve the problem. The next situation will be as you said:

Server Name :
AAA
AAAA
AAAAA
AAAAAA
A great server

Default sort by ping should help to discourage this. And yes, multi-field sort is a very good idea.
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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #71 on: February 04, 2009, 05:28:10 am »
Basically what everyone said about sort by ping. I would think by now a new client would be up on the trem.net just to do that.
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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #72 on: February 04, 2009, 05:37:20 am »
!rtd
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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #73 on: May 29, 2009, 04:45:58 am »
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True. Servers like "X" has high influence, especially on new players. What can we actually do about it? Nothing thats in our power to affect it in the way we want it to. If Tremulous (Dare I say) ever does go down, one of the many contributing factors will be this server and the Granger's blood will be on the hands of people like Spec. Which is unfortunate to say, but I would be lying to myself if I said the opposite. 

X is intended for noobs and people who suck to play.
And if tremulous ever did go down im more then certian someone would backwards code the master server like winmx did with the peer caches then send out instructions to modify the host file or recompile the client to use the new MS
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Lonly

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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #74 on: May 30, 2009, 01:14:01 am »
FuN is working on something similar but better! We have been working on it for months.
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bacon665

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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #75 on: May 30, 2009, 01:18:05 am »
Best of luck.
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Re: X, A, M Servers
« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2010, 06:11:48 am »
Quote from: FreaK on February 04, 2009, 05:37:20 am
!rtd
I bound that so people don't know when I get cool stuff:D
Anway, just my story of X pelase don't flame me.
I used to play on skittles, but after their serevr upgrade, it got vanished of my list! So I went to play on a different server. I played on X for idk 1-1.5 months then went onto some normal server. I then started as dretch then realised that without knowing it I had actually minorly improved my aim as a dretch on X. So yeah it's alright. I don't mind starting out on it, but for people who play on it non-stop then insult me when I pwn them on it saying I hack, go fuck yourselfs. Why would anyone hack on X? The hitbox or/ we you call it screwed anyway lol.
Me and my brother played on M a few days ago and were pissing ourselves because we kept on teaming on this person with a md :D.
Oh yeah A is probably the best server because the damage is still the same (I think) and it's pretty fun to be a godmode invisble dretch pwning up chain suits lawlz. :-*

My two cents, as you people seem to say here:D
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