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Community => Servers => Topic started by: Smokey on February 20, 2008, 06:29:20 pm

Title: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Smokey on February 20, 2008, 06:29:20 pm
Please, I am BEGGING all these server owners to stop running ATCS so damn much. Its a decent map, but it's SO DAMN OVERPLAYED. There are dozens of quality, fun maps and the only thing servers are running is atcs.

Kthxbai.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Death On Ice on February 20, 2008, 07:00:07 pm
Says the person who got ATCS as the only map in scrims.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Tycho on February 20, 2008, 09:01:06 pm
Quote from: Death On Ice on February 20, 2008, 07:00:07 pm
Says the person who got ATCS as the only map in scrims.

Scrims and public games are two different worlds. For scrimming ATCS is ideal since it's small and balanced, but for public play it is horribly overplayed and dull.

P.S.: I hardly see my favourite map but it is still included with the default installer... I want more Nexus 6!!! 8)
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: player1 on February 20, 2008, 09:28:08 pm
Now if you can get the twenty or so server ops who think it's so great that they run only ATCS continually to read this.

My favorite thing to see on the server list:

[][][][]AAAAAAAAAATCS365/24/7STFUn00b

Where you just know the MOTD must be:

!CALLVOTE MAP=PERMABAN

I think some people have been told too many times that it's the only fair/balanced/symmetrical/adequate map for small/training/n00b/any server(s), that they just believe it, and want to play nothing else, for fear of a overwhelming sense of newness.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Slayer. on February 20, 2008, 10:25:16 pm
ATCS may be over played. But it's still the most liked map for a major percentage of people play Tremulous right now. So sorry Smokey but there will be no end of ATCS for atleast a long time.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough Already!
Post by: player1 on February 20, 2008, 10:52:32 pm
The Internet - That type of theater in which every critique is itself a performance
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: toastisgood on February 21, 2008, 01:05:58 am
Quote from: Smokey on February 20, 2008, 06:29:20 pm
Please, I am BEGGING all these server owners to stop running ATCS so damn much. Its a decent map, but it's SO DAMN OVERPLAYED. There are dozens of quality, fun maps and the only thing servers are running is atcs.

Kthxbai.

just live with it and stop complaining
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: PIE on February 21, 2008, 01:09:19 am
I'm sick of it but people like it for a reason. Compact clean symmetrical maps are popular. Its straightforward. If you want them to play another map make a map that is more popular.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Slayer. on February 21, 2008, 01:23:47 am
That may be pretty hard. But Mini Nano is pretty fun but it never realy caught on. I think many people like ATCS because of how fast you can learn that map and use it to your advantage. On my perspective I still like ATCS. I don't think it'll die down for me. Call me a noob if you like. But Long Live ATCS.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Smokey on February 21, 2008, 02:05:05 am
Quote from: Slayer. on February 21, 2008, 01:23:47 am
That may be pretty hard. But Mini Nano is pretty fun but it never realy caught on. I think many people like ATCS because of how fast you can learn that map and use it to your advantage. On my perspective I still like ATCS. I don't think it'll die down for me. Call me a noob if you like. But Long Live ATCS.
Thats exactly what you are. Its a small, boring map. There is never any variation in games. It is honestly one of the worst scrim maps too. I never saw anyone complain about camping in a tremor/niveus/nexus6 match. Maybe you should enlighten your leader Slayer, I know he isn't as retarded as you.

DOI: Uh...are you fucking serious? I was the one always pushing for different maps.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: your face on February 21, 2008, 03:26:23 am
Quote from: Death On Ice on February 20, 2008, 07:00:07 pm
Says the person who got ATCS as the only map in scrims.
rofl.  xD

anyways, ATCS is the ONLY default map that doesnt lag for me besides tremor... so yes, i play atcs and its fine... so just dont play on servers with atcs if you hate it so much  :D
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: jr2 on February 21, 2008, 09:06:45 am
ATCS fanbois = ick

ATCS = halo-style, jump in gwab my wifle an shoooot da wabbits or wun my dwetch and kiss da humans, no need to think just gogogogogogogogogogo.

It's a nice map.. and you can have variation, but you'll likely be kicked for it... they HaTCSlo fanbois are all too busy shooting and don't like to be disturbed by n00bish things like strategy & tactics.

Of course there are exceptions, and it is a very nice map.  But I feel like puking after it gets voted in for the 4th time and I was just learning this new map that got added to the rotation.  "What!  I don't know this map!  I can't insta-p00n!  /callvote map_name ATCS!!"  << that might not be the correct commandline, IDK and IDC.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: [^ITC]Master on February 22, 2008, 08:45:46 pm
DuDe ATCS RULES ITLL NEVA GET EXTICNT
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Dracone on February 23, 2008, 01:06:40 am
I agree that scrimmages should be played at other maps. More strategy can come into play, obviously.

It's a rather difficult conversion though. NT had a scrim against AA at Tremor that ended up in a draw. It's hard when you don't have any strategies already planned out for other maps. Then again, the need for that hasn't been seen really, what with the way scrims are done now. It's time for something new though.

Also, I don't know why, but I can't seem to like playing in a full rotation. I think it's specifically Karith though. Had the bad luck to play that more than other non-ATCS maps, and it's made me disinterested in full rotations for fear of running into that. I like the other maps, especially Arachnid2 and Niveus, but Karith bores me. Gotta get builders closing the damn long distance from base to base. :P
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Revan on February 23, 2008, 03:22:15 am
ATCS isn't too bad, but the worst part?

at the end of a match there is almost nowhere for the last alien ( :advmarauder: ftw!) or human to run / hide

Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Death On Ice on February 24, 2008, 05:30:29 am
@Smokey: Really? My bad then. I just remember scrims not being very serious until Zilla, and because everyone was serious about scrimming, they wanted a balanced map, so why not a symmetrical one?
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Lakitu7 on February 24, 2008, 07:36:10 am
Try living on the West coast. When I go to play at night the only decent servers still alive are AA and OPP and they're both atcs 24/7. :(
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: player1 on February 24, 2008, 04:13:31 pm
@Lakitu7: Whereabouts? (Me PNW).
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: St. Anger on February 24, 2008, 04:49:12 pm
<3 ATCS, All this time playing Trem and it's still by far my favorite map.

Oh and yea jr2 you hit most of the reasons I love ATCS right on the spot, but then again I play that way on every map. The only time you ever need strategy is if you're in a pick up game or a clan match of some sort, otherwise Pubs are simple and generally require no real strategy.

Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: your face on February 25, 2008, 03:58:32 pm
Quote from: Lakitu7 on February 24, 2008, 07:36:10 am
Try living on the West coast. When I go to play at night the only decent servers still alive are AA and OPP and they're both atcs 24/7. :(

lol, same  :-\
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: player1 on February 25, 2008, 04:08:26 pm
I thought you lived in North Carolina face... :-\ ???
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: benmachine on February 25, 2008, 07:55:31 pm
Quote from: Death On Ice on February 24, 2008, 05:30:29 am
they wanted a balanced map, so why not a symmetrical one?

MG Crate (http://downloads.mercenariesguild.net/maps/map-mg_crate.pk3) is symmetrical.
I think we should start using that for scrims instead :P
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: daenyth on February 27, 2008, 02:19:13 am
hai guys, simmerty ekwals balence amirite?
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: player1 on February 27, 2008, 02:34:23 am
Since the teams are asymmetrical, I can only say that ATCS shows how two entirely different teams play the opposite halves of a mirror map. To me, it is very Quake 3-esque, and a cool way to show how the two teams aren't just the same except that one is Red and one is Blue. It works for training, and I suppose it's good for Us-Humans-Then-You-Humans best-of-three matches, but I think the maps like Nexus6, Niveus and Karith are the most fun. Sometimes the coolest thing to do is strike base and put it in their old base while they move. It drives some teams nutty. "Where'd they go?" :D
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Lava Croft on February 27, 2008, 10:11:06 am
So far, nobody has showcased the relative little mapping skills needed to outdo ATCS, which is rather disturbing, in more ways than one.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: your face on February 27, 2008, 03:56:21 pm
Quote from: player1 on February 25, 2008, 04:08:26 pm
I thought you lived in North Carolina face... :-\ ???

huh?  where'd you hear that?/me lives in California :D
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: player1 on February 27, 2008, 05:28:40 pm
i got u mixed up with your mama :-[
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: + OPTIMUS + on February 27, 2008, 06:10:12 pm
Quote from: player1 on February 27, 2008, 05:28:40 pm
i got u mixed up with your mama :-[

:-DDD
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: your face on February 27, 2008, 09:08:50 pm
oh lol, thats fine  :)
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: techhead on February 28, 2008, 01:44:24 am
Quote from: Lava Croft on February 27, 2008, 10:11:06 am
So far, nobody has showcased the relative little mapping skills needed to outdo ATCS, which is rather disturbing, in more ways than one.
May I remind you of:

Ingar's Nano
-AND-
Chomper's UTCS
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: [Alien]Magic on March 05, 2008, 12:19:58 pm
ATCS is clearly ultimate...

most other maps are too dark/have bad designs that leave one team unfairly underadvantaged
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: master@sparta on March 05, 2008, 03:26:09 pm
Sounds Like Smokey Just Got Told By The Majority Of People lol!
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: yetshi on March 06, 2008, 12:42:52 am
if it wasnt for the fact that you have to have it for textures id remove the fucking pk3 from my server.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Kaleo on March 12, 2008, 10:41:42 am
Quote from: techhead on February 28, 2008, 01:44:24 am
Quote from: Lava Croft on February 27, 2008, 10:11:06 am
So far, nobody has showcased the relative little mapping skills needed to outdo ATCS, which is rather disturbing, in more ways than one.
May I remind you of:

Ingar's Nano
-AND-
Chomper's UTCS
UTCS was great... GameArena has it in the rotation, and its just as popular as ATCS...

Also, Arachnid has become the most popular on GA... It's weird.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Paradox on March 12, 2008, 11:53:12 pm
ATCSxAlpha ftw.

Quote from: yetshi on March 06, 2008, 12:42:52 am
if it wasnt for the fact that you have to have it for textures id remove the fucking pk3 from my server.

Delete the maps directory, leave only the textures and scripts directory.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: kevlarman on March 13, 2008, 02:30:12 am
Quote from: Paradox on March 12, 2008, 11:53:12 pm
ATCSxAlpha ftw.

Quote from: yetshi on March 06, 2008, 12:42:52 am
if it wasnt for the fact that you have to have it for textures id remove the fucking pk3 from my server.

Delete the maps directory, leave only the textures and scripts directory.
most of us choose to run pure servers paradox
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Rabbitt on March 13, 2008, 08:47:15 pm
Just take it out of rotation and all our problems are solved !!!

Quit gripping to everyone else to take if off.
Stop playing a server that has it or pay for your own server and do as you like.

End of Story.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Slayer. on March 13, 2008, 09:18:48 pm
Thank You! Finally someone has sense of good common sense.

+1
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Her3tic on March 13, 2008, 09:45:04 pm
ATCS IS Over played, no one can say he didnt play it enough...

Of course its a good map balanced and all... but... Always the same strategie... Booring...

I miss the MapMadness server where all map was  :'(
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: zybork on March 14, 2008, 06:05:03 pm
Quote from: Lava Croft on February 27, 2008, 10:11:06 am
So far, nobody has showcased the relative little mapping skills needed to outdo ATCS, which is rather disturbing, in more ways than one.

[rant]"Lava Croft", please, don't say anything. You are not a wise guy, you are in no way a Tremulous guru, you are just a nerd. Your statements are only useful in a way that one is on the save side believing the opposite.[/rant]

If that would be true, than the drink with the best taste of all would be - water.

ATCS is one of the most popular maps because it is small and simple, it is easy to understand and you will learn it quickly without having to play it more than two times therefor very well playable by anybody and - an overall b-o-r-i-n-g map.

A problem why many people don't like other maps that much is because they require skills. Shoot-shoot-bang is easier than to develop (or just have...) a strategy, being a lone hero is easier than to cooperate. ATCS is surely a map ideal for the unsophisticated mind, the same reason why Shakira is more popular than Brahms - would anybody claim that Shakira is the better of the two?

The good thing about the Tremulous community is that it is quite big, so there is a good chance that you will find a bunch of people to play with that share your preferences. If not - life is tough sometimes. However, I agree with you, I am too bored of ATCS.

Good luck!
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: pharo212 on March 14, 2008, 10:50:32 pm
I think granger rink would make a great scrim map, if the only requirement is symetricalness.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Revan on March 15, 2008, 02:46:59 pm
Quote from: zybork on March 14, 2008, 06:05:03 pm
being a lone hero is easier than to cooperate.

WHAT!?!?!?! it is much easier to be a lone hero on other maps, on ATCS either route and you end up swimming in enemys.

Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: zybork on March 15, 2008, 03:56:31 pm
Definetely not, because the map's so small, you're never alone ;D No, seriously, it's pretty easy to escape in ATCS, and I don't know how many times I (or someone of my team) decided the fight by walking into the alien base and just shooting down everything... ATCS is so small, you don't need a strategy, you don't need teams.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Survivor on March 16, 2008, 01:04:19 pm
Disturbing to say the least.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/Drietand/atscrandomsampling.jpg)
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: + OPTIMUS + on March 16, 2008, 02:25:48 pm

sort by map....? <.<
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: Survivor on March 16, 2008, 02:39:01 pm
I always sort by playercount. If you couldn't tell with your own alphabetical and numerical skills.
Title: Re: A plea: Enough ATCS!
Post by: techhead on March 16, 2008, 06:09:38 pm
I often sort by maps, but that's because I just love playing well-made custom maps.
That, and I am also tired of ATCS.

OFF-TOPIC: I wish sort by player-count would put servers with more player-slots higher than other servers with the same number of connected players.