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Community => Strategies and Tactics => Topic started by: Lava Croft on June 27, 2008, 02:48:42 am

Title: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on June 27, 2008, 02:48:42 am
I'm curious. You don't have to post about your deconning adventures, just voting is enough!
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Bajsefar on June 27, 2008, 02:57:52 am
Never done it.
Gotten into some pretty nasty tk-orgies in extreme anger and shotguns though...
Title: Re: Am I a deconner?
Post by: player1 on June 27, 2008, 03:18:55 am
No.

I played Tribes, and hated game ruiners.

I have forgotten to announce reac moves, however (except I'm usually teamchatting with the other builder, so if people get a chance to read the cyan stuff whilst fighting, they'll have a pretty good idea of what's up).
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Bomb on June 27, 2008, 03:45:21 am
Absolutely never, although I came pretty damn close when the human team got full of luci-spamming retards (none of whom would build even though our defenses were rolling in their graves).
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: St. Anger on June 27, 2008, 04:29:49 am
No, but a couple of days ago I was tking my team and I naded our base. I guess that's close enough.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Yahoo on June 27, 2008, 05:31:33 am
Maybe once or twice in the past month, but I've done it countless times.  ;)
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Snake on June 27, 2008, 05:52:59 am
I just dont build :P
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on June 27, 2008, 06:31:28 am
No, but a couple of days ago I was tking my team and I naded our base. I guess that's close enough.
Nading the base counts as a decon for me, it's basically a different action to reach the same result.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: TinMan on June 27, 2008, 06:46:27 am
I've done vote nades (custom vote to nade base, if it passes you blow the base), base nades 5 seconds before the map ends, and messed with Pol and deconned on there for teh lulz.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Colynn' on June 30, 2008, 12:42:37 am
Hello,
Yes. During a (very)boring round with the wwF*Team, me and my teammates have deconned the base for end the game. :grenade:
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Dracone on July 02, 2008, 07:16:11 pm
A little while ago, our base was doomed with 3 rants in it. So I ended it fast with 4 nades, killing all 3 rants and ending the game.

Also, probably the beginning of June, me and Karos teamed up for a base nade, middle of the game. I gathered 3000 creds and told him that when I started throwing them, he would have to start sharing me all he had rapidly. I ended up spamming 24 nades all over the place, and it killed the whole team of like 8 people and the entire base, ending the game immediately. Was fun shit.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Archangel on July 03, 2008, 02:40:27 am
usually when I play humans on AA at like, 4 AM, I end up nading the base and psawing rc/spawns. funfun :D
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Rabbitt on July 05, 2008, 06:14:39 pm
I think the question should be " Who hasnt deconned before for shits and giggles?"

I've done it countless times to watch everyone go " OMFG WE GOT DECONNED "

My all time fav is to decon then revert when aliens are in the middle of my base
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Bissig on July 05, 2008, 11:04:10 pm
I think the question should be " Who hasnt deconned before for shits and giggles?"

I've done it countless times to watch everyone go " OMFG WE GOT DECONNED "

My all time fav is to decon then revert when aliens are in the middle of my base

Well, I hope I never happen to play on your server. That is utter abuse.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Snake on July 06, 2008, 04:26:39 am
I did something like that today, i launched 10 nades which blowed up all the base, btw the aliens didnt rushed but i just reverted, i wanted some fun watching all that Structures and mates tKs.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Overdose on July 06, 2008, 05:00:14 am
I'm sorry but I just don't understand the pleasure you get from ruining the game for others. Making people angry or upset just doesn't thrill me the way it seems to for some of you guys.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Rabbitt on July 06, 2008, 05:03:41 am
Oh I'm sorry did I make it seem as I cared if others were having fun ?
What makes me smile is for me only fuck the rest of the bastards.

Most of the time people laugh right along with me.

And I dont decon and revert alot, maybe once a month.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Overdose on July 06, 2008, 05:34:18 am
Oh I'm sorry did I make it seem as I cared if others were having fun ?
What makes me smile is for me only fuck the rest of the bastards.
--

But I'm sure you won't mind complaining when someone fucks you over, eh?
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: + OPTIMUS + on July 06, 2008, 03:47:15 pm
cod3's teamkill rampages was one of the reasons to choose tremulous.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 06, 2008, 04:51:51 pm
Meh, annoying players require annoying solutions. Therefore, deconning a lame game is perfectly fine by me, it's better for everybody, and more fun than just doing !nextmap.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: St. Anger on July 06, 2008, 07:09:38 pm
Interesting post Baldy. Are you implying that because you are an annoying player, I should decon your base?
/stoptroll

But yea, this game is too old to taken seriously anymore, can't help but nade my base and saw my teammates. Pubs aren't meant to be taken seriously, they are generally lame as hell with a bunch of campers and tk'ers.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 06, 2008, 07:19:47 pm
But yea, this game is too old to taken seriously anymore
Yes, the age of a game really has anything to do with how serious one should take it! Now this is some fantastic logic!

[PS] Don't mock the public servers that keep Tremulous alive, and people playing. You play on them, yet you disrespect them. If you are a real tough guy, you just don't ever play on public servers anymore.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: jhaa on July 06, 2008, 07:21:21 pm
But yea, this game is too old to taken seriously anymore...

You are too stupid to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: St. Anger on July 06, 2008, 07:58:10 pm
But yea, this game is too old to taken seriously anymore
Yes, the age of a game really has anything to do with how serious one should take it! Now this is some fantastic logic!

[PS] Don't mock the public servers that keep Tremulous alive, and people playing. You play on them, yet you disrespect them. If you are a real tough guy, you just don't ever play on public servers anymore.

Yes, It's just as fantastic as the logic in your previous post below. I didn't literally mean the games age. I meant we've been playing this for so long it's getting "old" as in boring.
 
Meh, annoying players require annoying solutions. Therefore, deconning a lame game is perfectly fine by me, it's better for everybody, and more fun than just doing !nextmap.

Let's see you admin on the server and yet you disrespect the players by deconning them/allowing them to be deconned? Hypocrite much?

[PS] I like how you avoided the other content in my post. What's the matter you couldn't conjure up a comeback?
[PSS] Oh noz the Lava Croft fanboys are randomly flaming me, time to run.
Title: Re: Are you a troll?
Post by: Bomb on July 06, 2008, 08:00:20 pm
Yay, troll party!!
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 06, 2008, 08:47:02 pm
@Anger: Maybe next time you should actually type what you mean, instead of type what you do not mean. Your statement was very clear and very stupid.

I administrate SatGNU just fine, as do all of our admins and we do not have many deconners. If a game drags on for too long without anything going on but camping, there will either be a decon or a !nextmap. If you decon during a perfectly fine game, purely for the purpose of ruining the fun, you get a smack with the banstick. If you fail to see the not so subtle difference between the two motivations to decon, I guess you would be the kind that gets banned rather quickly.

I ignored the 'other' content in your post because it was about me as a player, and since you and I have, to my knowledge, never played together, your assumptions are just that, assumptions.

And last but not least: Of all the people that belong to SatGNU, jhaa would be the last in line to be a 'Lava Croft fanboy'. My assumption is that he replied because you made a stupid statement about the age of game and seriousness, and in effect made a negative, untrue statement about Tremulous.

[PS] Remarking how someone ignores the content in your own posts while you ignore the content in other posts yourself is not very smart! Here, let me help you:
[PS] Don't mock the public servers that keep Tremulous alive, and people playing. You play on them, yet you disrespect them. If you are a real tough guy, you just don't ever play on public servers anymore.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: St. Anger on July 06, 2008, 10:43:07 pm
@Anger: Maybe next time you should actually type what you mean, instead of type what you do not mean. Your statement was very clear and very stupid.

I administrate SatGNU just fine, as do all of our admins and we do not have many deconners. If a game drags on for too long without anything going on but camping, there will either be a decon or a !nextmap. If you decon during a perfectly fine game, purely for the purpose of ruining the fun, you get a smack with the banstick. If you fail to see the not so subtle difference between the two motivations to decon, I guess you would be the kind that gets banned rather quickly.

I ignored the 'other' content in your post because it was about me as a player, and since you and I have, to my knowledge, never played together, your assumptions are just that, assumptions.

And last but not least: Of all the people that belong to SatGNU, jhaa would be the last in line to be a 'Lava Croft fanboy'. My assumption is that he replied because you made a stupid statement about the age of game and seriousness, and in effect made a negative, untrue statement about Tremulous.

[PS] Remarking how someone ignores the content in your own posts while you ignore the content in other posts yourself is not very smart! Here, let me help you:
[PS] Don't mock the public servers that keep Tremulous alive, and people playing. You play on them, yet you disrespect them. If you are a real tough guy, you just don't ever play on public servers anymore.


I administrate SatGNU just fine, as do all of our admins and we do not have many deconners. If a game drags on for too long without anything going on but camping, there will either be a decon or a !nextmap. If you decon during a perfectly fine game, purely for the purpose of ruining the fun, you get a smack with the banstick. If you fail to see the not so subtle difference between the two motivations to decon, I guess you would be the kind that gets banned rather quickly.

@Lava: Maybe next time you should actually type what you mean, instead of type what you do not mean. Your statement was very clear and very stupid.

Again you ignored the logic in my question. So I'll ask it again, IF you are an annoying player, are you saying it's right to decon your base?

I called Jhaa a fanboy because of his "Lava Croft Fan" signature, I don't know if he's mocking you or not with his signature and I don't care but it still implies that he's your fan.

[PS]As far as the mocking the server shit goes, are you saying we shouldn't criticize anything we use? Without criticism nothing would improve.

Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 06, 2008, 10:59:08 pm
If I am a player that does nothing but camp when there is no need to, yes, then it's perfectly fine to decon my base.
I don't see why I have to explain this specifically for my persona.

You do not 'use' a public server, you are a guest there, playing purely by the grace of the server owner. Whining about how all public servers are lame camp/tk feasts is not criticizing, it's showing a good amount of disrespect for the people who pay for your games of Tremulous, and the people who spend time on keeping those games as running smooth as possible. It's a gift from the server owner and his admins to you, the Tremulous player. Who are you to criticize this gift? Where is your gift?

I'll not mention your horrible use of quotes, or wait, I just did.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Yahoo on July 07, 2008, 04:23:34 am
Jose you wont win, consider dropping it...
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: St. Anger on July 07, 2008, 05:55:14 am
If I am a player that does nothing but camp when there is no need to, yes, then it's perfectly fine to decon my base.
I don't see why I have to explain this specifically for my persona.

You do not 'use' a public server, you are a guest there, playing purely by the grace of the server owner. Whining about how all public servers are lame camp/tk feasts is not criticizing, it's showing a good amount of disrespect for the people who pay for your games of Tremulous, and the people who spend time on keeping those games as running smooth as possible. It's a gift from the server owner and his admins to you, the Tremulous player. Who are you to criticize this gift? Where is your gift?

I'll not mention your horrible use of quotes, or wait, I just did.

Of course it's criticizing, and whether they pay for it or not is irrelevant, you don't see mmorpg companies telling their players to shutup and not complain, infact they condone it. I'm not dissing the server owners I'm dissing the playerbase that attends the server.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 07, 2008, 06:49:28 am
Of course it's criticizing, and whether they pay for it or not is irrelevant, you don't see mmorpg companies telling their players to shutup and not complain, infact they condone it. I'm not dissing the server owners I'm dissing the playerbase that attends the server.
MMORPG companies receive money from the people playing, most Tremulous server owner do not receive any kind of payment, besides people like you telling them that their servers are lame camp/tk feasts.
I don't know how the situation is on the servers you play on, but we consider our regular clients to be part of 'us', so insulting the people playing there is much like insulting the server owner and the admins.
I still really don't see why you would call all the public servers lame camp/tk feasts, while all those servers do is provide you with your games of Tremulous. I mean, are you really that stupid?
Title: Re: Are you a fisher of men?
Post by: Overdose on July 07, 2008, 08:04:12 am
"Re: Are you a fisher of men?"
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Image didn't show up for me :(
I'm a fisher of fish by the way.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 07, 2008, 08:06:28 am
Odd, I think player1's post just went poof.
Title: Re: Are you a fisher of men?
Post by: player1 on July 07, 2008, 10:45:32 am
(http://www.myraltis.co.uk/rickgriffin/images/art/gospel2.jpg) (http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterSix/FishersOfMen.htm)
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: dan003400 on July 07, 2008, 11:55:13 am
i deconz all the time, LOL
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: St. Anger on July 07, 2008, 01:54:29 pm
Of course it's criticizing, and whether they pay for it or not is irrelevant, you don't see mmorpg companies telling their players to shutup and not complain, infact they condone it. I'm not dissing the server owners I'm dissing the playerbase that attends the server.
MMORPG companies receive money from the people playing, most Tremulous server owner do not receive any kind of payment, besides people like you telling them that their servers are lame camp/tk feasts.
I don't know how the situation is on the servers you play on, but we consider our regular clients to be part of 'us', so insulting the people playing there is much like insulting the server owner and the admins.
I still really don't see why you would call all the public servers lame camp/tk feasts, while all those servers do is provide you with your games of Tremulous. I mean, are you really that stupid?

Well then this argument is over. I don't consider the playerbase be to apart of "you guys" and neither do I think their actions should reflect the server owners. Maybe now I understand some of the reasoning behind your server banning the polaks based off this.

If you think it's "stupid" to criticize the playerbase of the servers then you fail at life. End of discussion.


[PS]Just to clarify, I spend most of my time on Tremulous in clan servers. Not public servers, because of the aforementioned reasons.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 07, 2008, 02:11:44 pm
I'll clarify it again just for you, because you are slow: Our Polish regulars agreed with our banning of their retarded fellow Poles. Funny how you bring up this very, very old thing though. You even made me think about what countries we have banned. Look here (http://svn.satgnu.net/listing.php?repname=svnroot&path=%2Fcountry_ban%2Fzones%2F#_country_ban_zones_) for a complete list of banned zones.
How you think you can understand the reasoning behind our banning practices, while you have no idea what our banning practices are, is quite amusing, but if you really want to think you do understand, then I will not shatter your dream.

If the playerbase of a server is made up of lamers, that means the admins of the server suck, unless they want their server to be populated with lamers, in which case they are doing a great job. Assuming they want nice players on their server, the admins are there to make sure that the playerbase is made up of nice players, and not lamers. If you criticize the playerbase, you directly criticize the admins, since they are responsible for the playerbase. They decide who comes in and who is forcefully let out the backdoor. Maybe you should not spend your time on servers that are full of camping/tking lamers, because it quite clearly is obscuring your view on the rest of the public servers out there. Sadly, I don't really know any good, populated American public servers, but I'm fairly certain someone can help you out with this.

And last but certainly not least, please don't fool anyone into thinking the games on your clan servers are any different from the games on public servers. The only noticeable difference is probably that clan servers have a much higher density of retarded people than the average public server.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: St. Anger on July 07, 2008, 02:21:20 pm
I'll clarify it again just for you, because you are slow: Our Polish regulars agreed with our banning of their retarded fellow Poles. Funny how you bring up this very, very old thing though. You even made me think about what countries we have banned. Look here (http://svn.satgnu.net/listing.php?repname=svnroot&path=%2Fcountry_ban%2Fzones%2F#_country_ban_zones_) for a complete list of banned zones.
How you think you can understand the reasoning behind our banning practices, while you have no idea what our banning practices are, is quite amusing, but if you really want to think you do understand, then I will not shatter your dream.

If the playerbase of a server is made up of lamers, that means the admins of the server suck, unless they want their server to be populated with lamers, in which case they are doing a great job. Assuming they want nice players on their server, the admins are there to make sure that the playerbase is made up of nice players, and not lamers. If you criticize the playerbase, you directly criticize the admins, since they are responsible for the playerbase. They decide who comes in and who is forcefully let out the backdoor. Maybe you should not spend your time on servers that are full of camping/tking lamers, because it quite clearly is obscuring your view on the rest of the public servers out there. Sadly, I don't really know any good, populated American public servers, but I'm fairly certain someone can help you out with this.

And last but certainly not least, please don't fool anyone into thinking the games on your clan servers are any different from the games on public servers. The only noticeable difference is probably that clan servers have a much higher density of retarded people than the average public server.

The admins are there to make sure the players follow the rules of the server, not to ensure there playerbase is free of annoying campers. If those are the kindof players attracted to the server it isn't their fault that's just how things turned out.

Since we're on different sides of the pond and you don't know how pub servers work in America I'll tell you now. The only good public server would be PureTremulous. There might be other good public servers but they run different settings with odd qvm's and they aren't considered Tremulous.

[PS] Clan servers in Europe might be filled with more retards then Pub servers. But over here it's where you will find the more higher skilled players.

Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 07, 2008, 03:09:16 pm
I guess you do not administrate a populated public server? Or in other words, if lamers keep coming to your house, annoying your friends, it's not your fault the lamers are there, but it's just how things turned out?

Odd QVM's and servers that use settings that are considered 'retarded' by most are very much Tremulous. The only people who do not consider it Tremulous are the ones who have written the secret rulebook on what makes a server a Tremulous server.

[PS] I'm sorry, but higher skill and the use of Unlagged assistance does not mix. Ever.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Revan on July 07, 2008, 03:15:43 pm
Back To The Topic: Yes I have deconed the Harwes server many times.

Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 07, 2008, 03:30:45 pm
Back To The Topic: Yes I have deconed the Harwes server many times.
More details please! Why did you decon etc. I want juicey stories!
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Revan on July 07, 2008, 03:42:33 pm
Was playing rotcannon and heard some people talking about going there and deconing it so a while later I went there and found the most horrible server that is not an X server.

I have even done decon teams where I and another player each decon a team.

Not that deconning is good, but on that server it felt soooo good  :D


PS: if I see someone decon I will kick/forcespec/etc. their ass so don't talk to me about that it was only Harwes

Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: AppleJuice on July 07, 2008, 11:31:48 pm
How you think you can understand the reasoning behind our banning practices, while you have no idea what our banning practices are, is quite amusing, but if you really want to think you do understand, then I will not shatter your dream.

And last but certainly not least, please don't fool anyone into thinking the games on your clan servers are any different from the games on public servers. The only noticeable difference is probably that clan servers have a much higher density of retarded people than the average public server.

How you think you can understand the quality of American clan servers, which you self-admittedly do not play on (else you would have played St. Anger at one point), is quite amusing, but if you really want to think you do understand, then I will not shatter your wet dream.

(That sentence was rather nasty, but I was only emulating the previous one)

Quote from:  Lava Croft
[PS] I'm sorry, but higher skill and the use of Unlagged assistance does not mix. Ever.

It's too easy to dodge in lagged.
How many times do American players have to beat top Euro players in lagged with 150 ping to prove a point (Yes, I still remember, Ozzy :))?

Regarding this deconning thread, all I can say is....


DDDDDDDDRAAAAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LOL
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Colynn' on July 08, 2008, 12:07:37 am
How many times do American players have to beat top Euro players in lagged with 150 ping to prove a point (Yes, I still remember, Ozzy :))?
Top Euro players ? Who ? :/
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 08, 2008, 08:25:12 am
AppleJuice, I regularly played on American servers, until for some odd reason people quit coming to PureTrem. I have never seen St. Anger on PureTrem. In fact, I think I have played a lot more games on American servers than you and St. Anger have played on Euro servers.

And regarding Unlagged, ask any FPS professional if they use Unlagged assistance or not. They do not use Unlagged in professional tournaments. The argument that it's too easy to dodge in a normal game, as opposed to a game with Unlagged assistance is one of the funniest jokes I've ever heard. Unlagged serves a very clear purpose, and that is even out the playing field for all players, specifically the ones who just are not able to play with normal lag, and thus require assistance. This makes the game more fun for a large group of players, but also destroys the game for more hardcore players. I myself cannot aim with Unlagged, since after a good 10 years of on-line FPS gaming, I just cannot quit leading shots when I have higher ping. Just like in Gloom, the American players prefer a more newbie-friendly style of gaming, whereas the Europeans like hardcore action. Only Gloom had no Unlagged, and therefore did not breed a whole generation of FPS players that require assistance.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: IabzO.o on July 08, 2008, 08:50:33 am
And regarding Unlagged, ask any FPS professional if they use Unlagged assistance or not. They do not use Unlagged in professional tournaments. The argument that it's too easy to dodge in a normal game, as opposed to a game with Unlagged assistance is one of the funniest jokes I've ever heard. Unlagged serves a very clear purpose, and that is even out the playing field for all players, specifically the ones who just are not able to play with normal lag, and thus require assistance. This makes the game more fun for a large group of players, but also destroys the game for more hardcore players. I myself cannot aim with Unlagged, since after a good 10 years of on-line FPS gaming, I just cannot quit leading shots when I have higher ping.


I...I love you.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: St. Anger on July 08, 2008, 02:18:43 pm
AppleJuice, I regularly played on American servers, until for some odd reason people quit coming to PureTrem. I have never seen St. Anger on PureTrem. In fact, I think I have played a lot more games on American servers than you and St. Anger have played on Euro servers.

And regarding Unlagged, ask any FPS professional if they use Unlagged assistance or not. They do not use Unlagged in professional tournaments. The argument that it's too easy to dodge in a normal game, as opposed to a game with Unlagged assistance is one of the funniest jokes I've ever heard. Unlagged serves a very clear purpose, and that is even out the playing field for all players, specifically the ones who just are not able to play with normal lag, and thus require assistance. This makes the game more fun for a large group of players, but also destroys the game for more hardcore players. I myself cannot aim with Unlagged, since after a good 10 years of on-line FPS gaming, I just cannot quit leading shots when I have higher ping. Just like in Gloom, the American players prefer a more newbie-friendly style of gaming, whereas the Europeans like hardcore action. Only Gloom had no Unlagged, and therefore did not breed a whole generation of FPS players that require assistance.

I'm sure you have Lava Croft, considering there's hardly any populated servers in Europe running unlagged.

Of course they don't use unlagged in professional tournaments, there's no need to because they run a LAN connection. But they DO aim at their targets rather than leading, which is what people do in unlagged.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 08, 2008, 02:55:06 pm
You seem to miss the point that Unlagged equals assistance. You require assistance to hit stuff, whereas people who play without Unlagged do not require this assistance. The fact that you mention you rarely play on Euro servers because they have no Unlagged more than acknowledges this.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: mooseberry on July 08, 2008, 09:12:34 pm
Unlagged really is lame. Face it.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 08, 2008, 09:29:44 pm
Unlagged is not lame at all. It is the perfect tool to level out the playing field for a large group of players. But, even faintly suggesting that your skill is higher than someone who plays without Unlagged, while you yourself do not even dare to play without Unlagged, is just plain stupid.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: your face on July 08, 2008, 09:34:03 pm
What does unlagged have to do with deconning?   :P
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 08, 2008, 09:37:32 pm
What does unlagged have to do with deconning?   :P
Break the chains and post some nice deconning story, I'd say! :D
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Bomb on July 08, 2008, 10:20:07 pm
I didn't do this, but...

The whole game was a campfest. The aliens had glitched themselves a new base somewhere completely impervious to attack, while the humans were sitting turrets. One guy went to the aliens and deconned everything while a friend on the human team did the same. I lol'd at everyone and left.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: AppleJuice on July 08, 2008, 11:39:20 pm
PureTremulous != an American Clan server.  Say what you want to about the "retards" on our clan servers, but just because you've played on some American servers does not mean you have played on American clan servers, let alone good ones. Yet you claim to have knowledge of the quality of games on such servers. My point still stands.

Regarding unlagged, once again your point is weak, as much of it is based on assumptions.  You assume we "do not dare to play without unlagged." This is clearly false.  You haven't played with us, just as we haven't played with you (according to you), so how do you know this?  We do (at least St. Anger and I do), in fact, play both lagged and unlagged.  Yes, it is easier to aim in unlagged, but that also makes it harder to dodge in it.  We have observed this over many, many games.  Again, you are free to disagree...most of this is opinion.

My point: we play both lagged and unlagged. Unlagged vs lagged is irrelevant to this topic.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Bomb on July 08, 2008, 11:43:00 pm
Unlagged vs lagged is irrelevant to this topic.
Then why did you post about it? The argument is should be over.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 09, 2008, 12:10:15 am
@AppleJuice: Why do you keep on replying to posts clearly aimed at St. Anger? Are you afraid he might not be competent enough to talk for himself?

I'm sure you have Lava Croft, considering there's hardly any populated servers in Europe running unlagged.

Is it weird that I assume he doesn't play without Unlagged after this statement?

And as a last note, because you do not seem to have too good of a memory: I call the inhabitants of clanservers retards, because I think clans are for retards.

Now, any more deconner around here? If so, hurry up before the 3rd guy comes in and starts to do the talking for both AppleJuice and St. Anger.

Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: AppleJuice on July 09, 2008, 12:14:15 am
Unlagged vs lagged is irrelevant to this topic.
Then why did you post about it? The argument is over.

Another great post from Bomb


The only time I've helped decon was during a scrim (at least I think I threw a nade out...Balls vs {V}, during which Balls muted our entire team and kicked a player).  Otherwise, I usually just spectate myself if the opposing team resorts to hard camping.

@Lava Croft: I don't see the problem, as I play with St. Anger regularly, and I know he plays both lagged and unlagged. Is there a rule prohibiting this?

Your second point....is just stupid
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 09, 2008, 12:21:18 am
@St. AngerJuice: It just seems odd that when I talk to St. Anger, AppleJuice replies. But I guess that's how it works in your social circle. As you can see, I found a solution for this though!
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: AppleJuice on July 09, 2008, 12:24:15 am
I only feel the compulsion to reply when you are blatantly wrong and hypocritical

Which, not surprisingly, is almost always
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Jump on July 09, 2008, 12:35:19 am
Although here there is a more offtopic-ish conversation, i will post this more ontopic one.

 I deconstruct only when needed. I don't like deconstructing the RC or OM when I know that mid-time half of the aliens will have been fed because humans had no means of defense at the time. Although i decon midgame, mostly because the current position can be easily destroyed by aliens/humans.
 Plus, i decon when noob builders build three teslas (:tesla:) one next to the other so closely that there is no way through, blocking any other attacker with no stamina and ammo, forcing him to either change way or die with result of feeding most of the times.

Now you can keep on talking about ... whatever you were before.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: St. Anger on July 09, 2008, 01:17:02 am
I'm sure you have Lava Croft, considering there's hardly any populated servers in Europe running unlagged.

Is it weird that I assume he doesn't play without Unlagged after this statement?

Maybe if you had any common sense you would realize I don't play on any Euro servers not running unlagged because well... 150+ ping doesn't work so well now does it. The only thing that's weird is your big humpty dumpty egg head.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 09, 2008, 01:22:21 am
@St. AngerJuice: That's why there are bright minds like yourself, to save me from endless stupidity!
As a famous, friendly Gloomer always said: Playing with a high ping builds character. If you cannot handle a lousy 150ms latency, you just lack the proper skills.
And silly insults about my looks don't really harm me, since you don't even have the guts to send in your picture. That instantly makes me infinitely prettier than you are!

@Jump: The Tesla part of your story brings back bad, bad memories.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Jump on July 09, 2008, 01:28:11 am
Quote
@Jump: The Tesla part of your story brings back bad, bad memories.

Also maybe Noob/Newbies + Lucifer + tesla part of my story might bring you even worse memories.
(Sorry for that if it is true)
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Overdose on July 09, 2008, 03:41:09 am
...
That instantly makes me infinitely prettier than you are!
Sorry for the intrusion but that made me laugh hysterically!


One time I joined a game on Niveus and the human team was planning to move the reactor up on top of one of those ledges next to their default base. So I decided to help, I joined up and earned some creds. A few minutes later I asked if they were ready and soon deconned it only to remember that jetpacks DON'T WORK WITHOUT THE REACTOR!! Needless to say we lost the game fairly quickly and I felt so stupid afterwards.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Plague Bringer on July 09, 2008, 03:47:29 am
;D

Great story YourMama, that brings back some memories. Most of my games we remember to jet up there first, but there is the rare occasion when someone gets the idea to move there but forgets it's still S1.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: IabzO.o on July 09, 2008, 07:18:43 am
I was playing on am|ne's bot server, the map was ATCS, another important thing to know is that you can't restart nor change the map before exterminating the whole Alien team and their two thousands eggs.

So I wanted to move the armory near the Alien base so my team and I could reload our plasma and bullets weapons without going back to our base, or building a repeater, wich would only help the users of a Plasma weapon...

When I deconned the armory, some people were saying things like ``wtf dude`` or ``you're a retard``, I explained them that I would rebuild the armory near the Alien base, wich would be much more useful in a server like this one. Why would it be actuly good? Because it's a bot server, and on am|ne's bot server, the Alien can only be dretches, and they run back to their base when there is no humans arround. So when I tryed to build the armory, it said I had no BP, I checked my BPs left just in case someone built something else right before I built the armory, or maybe it was a simple bug.

After people started to call me a deconner and tryed to vote kick me, I suddently realized that it was Sudden death, and that it was Sudden Death for 40 minutes. So I doomed the whole Human team to kill 45 eggs with their riffles, against a bunch of dretches that spawns every half of a second.

Needless to say, I became a hero...  ::)
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Plague Bringer on July 09, 2008, 01:49:38 pm
Impressive. What was the outcome of the match? I can guess it was a tie, but you never know.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Tycho on July 09, 2008, 03:16:28 pm
I basenaded once this year.... in like January or so. I dropped a nade from jetpack but it bounced right off from a charging tyrant back into the base... Total disaster ;D

I had a few catastrophic base move failures in the beginning of my career too... Heh.. I'm a nice guy I guess. (Really, no. I shoot at my teammates who shoot me... lrn2/aim/ goddamit!)
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: IabzO.o on July 09, 2008, 06:58:46 pm
There is no time limit on the server.  :P
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Kaleo on July 11, 2008, 01:52:30 am
I think I was going to, but decided against it for some reason or another.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Plague Bringer on July 11, 2008, 02:13:53 am
It's because you're a kind, caring soul, Kaleo.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Bissig on July 11, 2008, 02:21:06 am
Was playing rotcannon and heard some people talking about going there and deconing it so a while later I went there and found the most horrible server that is not an X server.

I have even done decon teams where I and another player each decon a team.

Not that deconning is good, but on that server it felt soooo good  :D

PS: if I see someone decon I will kick/forcespec/etc. their ass so don't talk to me about that it was only Harwes

Bigottery much?
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Bissig on July 11, 2008, 02:22:29 am
@St. AngerJuice: That's why there are bright minds like yourself, to save me from endless stupidity!
As a famous, friendly Gloomer always said: Playing with a high ping builds character. If you cannot handle a lousy 150ms latency, you just lack the proper skills.
And silly insults about my looks don't really harm me, since you don't even have the guts to send in your picture. That instantly makes me infinitely prettier than you are!

@Jump: The Tesla part of your story brings back bad, bad memories.

I find, playing up to 130 ping is well possible. Up to 160 ping it depends on the enemies and the enemies ping. Above 180 = fail.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: St. Anger on July 11, 2008, 05:36:42 am
@St. AngerJuice: That's why there are bright minds like yourself, to save me from endless stupidity!
As a famous, friendly Gloomer always said: Playing with a high ping builds character. If you cannot handle a lousy 150ms latency, you just lack the proper skills.
And silly insults about my looks don't really harm me, since you don't even have the guts to send in your picture. That instantly makes me infinitely prettier than you are!

@Jump: The Tesla part of your story brings back bad, bad memories.

I find, playing up to 130 ping is well possible. Up to 160 ping it depends on the enemies and the enemies ping. Above 180 = fail.

I seriously doubt any of you could play above 100 ping in lagged and still do well.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Lava Croft on July 11, 2008, 07:44:59 am
I seriously doubt any of you could play above 100 ping in lagged and still do well.
All a 150ping takes is some getting used to. In fact, it took me quite a while to get used to playing Tremulous on a European server after 1.1.0 released, since I always played Gloom and the Tremulous beta on American servers, and therefore I was used to having a 150-ish ping and leading my shots. I could not hit shit with a 40ping.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Jump on July 11, 2008, 12:00:31 pm
I play with 200+ ping here. This is because my modem is connected to other 2 pcs who use internet at the same time here. I can play pretty well anyway though, even with some lag from time to time.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Jedarus on July 12, 2008, 12:09:32 pm
Never deconned in the time I have played Tremulous, not even when I was new. Although there was that one time when I threw a nade in the wrong direction....

I play with 200+ ping here. This is because my modem is connected to other 2 pcs who use internet at the same time here. I can play pretty well anyway though, even with some lag from time to time.

I average with about 200 ping on most servers, but on a few like Skittles I get 999 at times. Guess it has to do with me living in the UK.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: snb on July 12, 2008, 06:44:19 pm
I play with 200+ ping here. This is because my modem is connected to other 2 pcs who use internet at the same time here. I can play pretty well anyway though, even with some lag from time to time.

um that shouldn't help at all (infact it should make it worse) unless you have seperate internet cables ( as in the under ground lines and aboveground lines not just cables you plug in for those who like to miss-interperit) and connectors for each computer so that they each have a connection (im pretty sure that would work idk). my connection here is as good as yours but only one connection line
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: mooseberry on July 12, 2008, 07:39:46 pm
I play with 200+ ping here. This is because my modem is connected to other 2 pcs who use internet at the same time here. I can play pretty well anyway though, even with some lag from time to time.

um that shouldn't help at all (infact it should make it worse) unless you have seperate internet cables ( as in the under ground lines and aboveground lines not just cables you plug in for those who like to miss-interperit) and connectors for each computer so that they each have a connection (im pretty sure that would work idk). my connection here is as good as yours but only one connection line

I'm going to skip the calling you an idiot part and the suggesting you should read what you are replying to part, and merely suggest that maybe he said that the 3 comps connected is why he get 200+ ping and he knows that it makes it worse.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Snake on July 12, 2008, 08:37:23 pm
I'm going to skip the calling you an idiot part


You already did.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: snb on July 13, 2008, 01:45:12 am
i dont think jump was bieng sarcastic
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: daenyth on July 14, 2008, 10:17:00 am
My decons take the form of nade spam + psaw rush, but only for games that have already been over for 20 minutes. Really, people should turn SD off, it makes people camp waiting for it.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: snb on July 16, 2008, 08:13:32 pm
i will decon if a structure is about to explode since you cant heal it with the lightning sign on it so i decon it b4 it makes other structures take damage but it does have a few drawbacks went enemies are about to rush u a second later and those exploding structures make enemies take damage and slow their rushes down.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: ChaosSquirrel on July 18, 2008, 07:37:40 pm
The closest thing I've ever done to deconning was a nade drop. And that was an accident. (I still got a ban.)
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Revan on July 28, 2008, 05:33:55 pm
i will decon if a structure is about to explode since you cant heal it with the lightning sign on it

Thats not the deconning we [are|were] talking about!

Title: Re: Are you a Trekkie?
Post by: player1 on July 29, 2008, 02:47:38 am
security guy in red shirt you've never seen before beams down in scene one
Shatner in the special green shirt about to bed a blue woman (drah-muh!)

He's dead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJQwHwP0ojI), Jim. Let it go.
Title: Re: Are you a Trekkie?
Post by: Revan on July 30, 2008, 02:33:42 pm
security guy in red shirt you've never seen before beams down in scene one
Shatner in the special green shirt about to bed a blue woman (drah-muh!)

I try to make an idiot out of my self by shoving stuff in peoples mouths (and eyes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1H3hC0qC9c))

Incidentally: doesn't Kirk always?


Title: Re: Are you asleep?
Post by: player1 on August 01, 2008, 05:25:37 am
banned (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=8659.msg133725#msg133725)
yells at banned guy
dude, he's not even here to defend himself - let it go
i'm fairly clueless
Title: Re: Are you asleep?
Post by: Lava Croft on August 01, 2008, 05:47:13 am
Yes. Need coffee.
Title: Re: Are you a psychic?
Post by: player1 on August 01, 2008, 05:59:46 am
Funny you should mention that (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=8693.msg135323#msg135323). To me, it was. I guess you had to be there. And be me. Oh well.
Title: Re: Are you asleep?
Post by: Revan on August 01, 2008, 01:55:14 pm
Boy, player1 sure is an idiot isn't he?
Well I have a solution for that
dude, i r 1337 u r s7Up1D!!!1!!!!!!!111!1111!!ONE!!!!!11!!111!!!11!!1!
Here is the cure: I will reach into my screen through to yours and pull you in to my house, then I will pummel you with your own mouse (which I also will pull through) and then lock you in the oven, then take you to the local spice shop and get a certain spice that is so hot that they have to have proof that you are over 18 and make you drink it.

Then I will shove you back into your own house

oh! I forgot the drinkable enema

doH!

Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: rotacak on August 10, 2008, 08:57:52 pm
I never deconned any base at all. I only naded one minibase in rotcannon, because I want naded alien base, but I make mistake and walk in wrong door, opened door, throwed grenade and then I saw turrets there :-) But before I can say "sorry" and rebuild that base, buider said "fuck you" and disconnect  :-\

But is true that I really want decon reac, due to absolutedly stupid team, that can only spamm and camp when we can win, beause aliens was absolutedly weak. But I did not that.
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: cactusfrog on August 14, 2008, 12:02:13 am
i nade the camping humans bases on sst
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Bobv2 on August 24, 2008, 04:18:58 am
Anger is a retard who wants to justify his retardedness, instaed of accept it.
AppleJuice is either some multi of Anger who's pathetic attempt to get "support" didn't work, or is equally retarded.
Lava is a regular person.

Anger > Lava?
 :human:  >  :dragoon:?
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Shadowgandor on August 31, 2008, 06:36:43 am
Meh, I've never deconned on purpose, if the game is so lame, just look for another one. If the people are lame this game, it won't change much next time
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: cactusfrog on September 09, 2008, 05:52:47 am
I only decon for two reasons one we have no aliens rushing our base to bissy taking down jettards and i am the only one considering attacking the other teams base (plus this is extremely funny), my team is so stupid it doesn't deserve a base, ether they are just camping and will not attack even though the overmind is down because of the scary dretch in the hallway.  When my team is that retarted destroying there base is just going to speed up the game hey i tried helping my team but that didn't work so why not help the other team for once. 
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Syntac on September 09, 2008, 08:20:35 pm
so why not help the other team for once. 
Because...they're...the...other...team...

Karma bot much?
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Nux on September 17, 2008, 03:18:49 pm
I personally don't mind off-topic-but-structured debate. For those who do, I wonder what makes them think responding in anyway is going to end it :P Seems like they like these debates too (or at least they like thier half of it).

I have never deconned without intending to rebuild in a public game before.. not even if the game is 'lame'. If someone is camping and kill-whoring that just gives me a mission. He will pay with his slime and guts. :D

If I meet deconners I like to make a mission out of them too. I might not have admin powers on that particular server, but that won't stop me sitting on the last node he's currrently stuck inside (when everyone else is out of course). :P
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: fingered banana on September 18, 2008, 11:32:05 am
no
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Shadowgandor on September 18, 2008, 09:11:56 pm
I have never deconned without intending to rebuild in a public game before.. not even if the game is 'lame'. If someone is camping and kill-whoring that just gives me a mission. He will pay with his slime and guts. :D

If I meet deconners I like to make a mission out of them too. I might not have admin powers on that particular server, but that won't stop me sitting on the last node he's currrently stuck inside (when everyone else is out of course). :P

I've got a perfect solution: The almighty luci :P
A battlesuit is sitting on a turret while goons and dretches are waiting for the S3 humans to come out, I just give the battlesuit a gentle push in the right direction :)
Usually, they don't know what hit em, so I can stay on the server :)

Deconners however, I just continue to kill them untill they leave or get kicked out of the game, it's a funny minigame, as they'll most likely eventualyl spawn a rifle and try to kill you :)
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Merancapeman on October 07, 2008, 04:04:26 am
Deconners... I guess you mean people who decon the WHOLE base? Or just some of it? I mean, I don't understand how you can keep building without deconning some of your base, but I do it all the time because usually on my noob team I'm the master builder. Not too bad, I might add *rubs nails on jacket sleeve*  8)
Title: Re: Are you a deconner?
Post by: Bissig on October 07, 2008, 04:24:26 am
Deconners... I guess you mean people who decon the WHOLE base? Or just some of it? I mean, I don't understand how you can keep building without deconning some of your base, but I do it all the time because usually on my noob team I'm the master builder. Not too bad, I might add *rubs nails on jacket sleeve*  8)

Usually when one refers to "Deconners" one is actually meaning "malicious deconners". Get it?