Tremulous Forum
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: khalsa on November 22, 2008, 06:12:45 am
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Howdy guys,
Now that we are on the other side of the planned downtime, let me tell you a bit about some of the changes around here!
1 - Cool new theme! Say thanks to Tremulant for his hard work on this excellent theme. If you guys notice any problems with it, please let us know!
2 - New Boards and Organizations. Please give us a few days to move threads into the appropriate sections.
3 - New Rules. Read them. In the next few days I will be sending an announcement that will further elaborate them.
4 - New Moderators - Say hello to Ingar and Taiyo.uk !
5 - Need for more moderators. Some of the new subforums will require dedicated people just to help moderate those boards. Sometime in the near future I will be making a post about those, so keep your eyes peeled!
6 - Some more stuff, I can't remember right now which I will post in this thread later tonight/tomorrow.
Feel free to respond to this thread with ... replies!
Khalsa
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The 'Other Mapping Stuff' subforum is for tutorials and resources?
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Nice theme! ;D
But shouldn't the 'Logout' button from top left be somewhere else? Like near the name or on the same bar with Home, Help,..., Members?
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Noticed a minor issue with the corner menu - you have to mouse over the text to read it worth a damn.
Assuming that the not-quite-black text on an equally dark blue background is a technical mistake instead of poor taste, of course.
(http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5299/themeshitdf3.jpg)
I'm otherwise fine with the new theme. Far from in love with it, but it doesn't make me
want to rip my eyes out and jam them down the designer's throat, so that's a plus. ;)
e: I'm a retard and forgot to try it in IE. This occurs in Firefox.
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Thanks for the forum changes. I am especially grateful for the Written Lore and Mod Ideas sub-boards. Thanks for taking the time to sort and move all of those threads, and for posting clearer, more-well-defined rules. Most of all, thanks for doing a ton of work for free, in your own valuable time. Yay, Trem.net volunteers!!!
How can I help? Besides, that is, pledging to be a more thoughtful and considerate user of the "POST" button, in the future?
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Nice theme! ;D
But shouldn't the 'Logout' button from top left be somewhere else? Like near the name or on the same bar with Home, Help,..., Members?
That might be useful :p . I'll look into adding a nice logout button somewhere tomorrow. (2 am here and I have to wake up early tomorrow)
Edit: done
Noticed a minor issue with the corner menu - you have to mouse over the text to read it worth a damn.
Assuming that the not-quite-black text on an equally dark blue background is a technical mistake instead of poor taste, of course.
Problem noted (the css governing visited links is telling it to go black instead of remain white. I will sort this out tomorrow hopefully)
Edit: done
How can I help? Besides, that is, pledging to be a more thoughtful and considerate user of the "POST" button, in the future?
Abide by all the new rules, and help your fellow forum-goers do the same :-)
Be an upstanding citizen etc. etc. blah blah blah. Maybe become a subforum mod when that happens. DONATE!
I hope these changes put us well along the path to having a much better/nicer/cooler/awesomer/useful forums. (which is my goal).
Khalsa
p.s. You are welcome :-) Thanks for positive feedback, always appreciated!
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I'm all for having all the new forums and sub-forums. It really has opened up to allow for all of the community's contributions. That's what can keep this game fun for years to come is the community being involved. From TJW's admin to Lakitu's qvms to Facey's maps to Otic's HUDs, the community has made this game waaaay more enjoyable than it could have been without them. Thanks to you, Khalsa, for being an active admin, and thanks to everyone who tries to give back the Tremulous. <3
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By the way, one word about the new procedure for working out disputes/disagreements/etc. of "official acts of moderation", if you will. It was the wish of a previous mod NOT to receive PMs from members, and it seemed to be alluded to that PMing a mod was a bad idea. This one particular former moderator even had this neat trick of sending a nasty and sarcastic PM, and then, when a person would reply to said PM, the mod would follow it up with another nasty and sarcastic reply, which included a threat to ban the member for simply replying, even though the mod, not the member, initiated the private conversation. 'Twas a somewhat personal method of attack, verging on vendetta.
Anyway, it's nice to know that we can drop a friendly "wtf?" without getting a banhammer threat as the reply every time. I would suppose that either users who harass mods or mods who harass users will now be equally frowned upon, and frankly, I welcome an atmosphere a little less acerbic and personally insulting, and thank the forces of reason and the spirit of true "moderation" for once again reasserting themselves.
I think you know who & what I am talking about without being any more specific. Let this be the end of any us-vs.-them acrimony, and just have "we" versus the rest of the non-Trem-playing multiverse. After all, everyone who comes here is interested in playing Tremulous, so they have at least that much going for them.
Cheers!
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I must say I love the new layout/theme(personally) and some of the changes are much welcomed. So far everything seems fine to me(Running on IE) I have, though, a few suggestions of my own.
1) Although I do prefer this theme, some others might not, and ranctly most of them might be a wee bit too lazy to look through their profile options for the change theme button. Usually forums have such a button down at the bottom left corner of the page in a scroll menu fashion.
2) if I may suggest as well that 2 sub-forums be added to the off-topic section:
a)A serious discussion topic forum for world/religion/thingamagigy topics
b)A spam topic where posts just don't count
3) As well as 2 sub-forums to artwork
a)Screenshots/replays
b)A gfx section, Which between isin't the same thing as modeling if some people are wondering.
Although you probably have better things to do, these are just little ideas I wanted to throw out.
Cheers!
Removed by player1's request
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Cheers! +1'd
ed sez: My suggestion for new forum theme: Loving-Kindness. It's the one thing that hasn't been tried.
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Splitting mods into balance changing and non-balance changing is a terrible idea. A better layout would be to split the mods by type:
- Server-side QVM
- Client
- Tremded
- Client-side mod
- Complete mod
- HUD
- Ideas
- etc
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The small icon next to 'Topic name: ......' above each post used to be different on new/unread and old/read posts.
Thanks for the quick fix :)
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Sheesh! Ingrate - at least say thanks for the fix he did in the middle of the night first!
Nice theme! ;D
But shouldn't the 'Logout' button from top left be somewhere else? Like near the name or on the same bar with Home, Help,..., Members?
That might be useful :p . I'll look into adding a nice logout button somewhere tomorrow. (2 am here and I have to wake up early tomorrow)
Edit: done
That happened really quickly! That's fast, friendly, Trem.net theme service! U dewdz raWk!
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Is it me, or does this thread name keep changing while looking on the main page at this thread?
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3248/3049273555_5437011f72_b.jpg)
Look under the last post for the general discussion. in RE: Nothing Changes
Which is clearly not the actual subject as its: Re: ★Forum Changes★
It might be a problem with IE or be intended by khalsa originally, I'm just wondering if its not a small bug.
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See the title of player1's reply
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Is it me, or does this thread name keep changing while looking on the main page at this thread?
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3248/3049273555_5437011f72_b.jpg)
Look under the last post for the general discussion. in RE: Nothing Changes
Which is clearly not the actual subject as its: Re: ★Forum Changes★
It might be a problem with IE or be intended by khalsa originally, I'm just wondering if its not a small bug.
When you reply to a topic you can change the title. Player1 often does that. Like Amanieu said. Just thought I'd clarify a little further.
Also good work khalsa and tremulant. This theme is a lot easier on the eyes than the last one was. I'm much liking the cleaner organization and more specific rules.
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Ah I see, my bad then, player1 is just toying with my mind a bit, although it is pretty uncommon to have the main page refer to the last post's title instead of the thread's title in which the post was posted.
In fact, out of the numerous forums I've went on its the first time I see this.
Anyway, thanks for the clarification amanieu. I'm going to go to bed less stupid this morning(litterally, its 6 AM, time for bed)
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AFAIK, its always been like that.
In locked threads (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=9652.msg147886#new) the Reply button still says reply. It used to change to saying "Locked" or something.
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Wow nice theme, i love it, congratulations... <3
Btw... I'm not on accord with the rule 6c :< it's mean
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Btw... I'm not on accord with the rule 6c :< it's mean
I agree. Why the need to discriminate against our troll brethren? They're people too. ='(
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Link color isn't obvious enough
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Btw... I'm not on accord with the rule 6c :< it's mean
I sincerely hope that was sarcasm.
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Wow, excellent theme. The black was hurting my eyes before. :D
Good job Khalsa and Tremulant, I'm support the idea of new boards and sub-forums/child-forums/etc.
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Wow, excellent theme. The black was hurting my eyes before. :D
I've the opposite problem. My eyes are pretty damned light-sensitive which makes it a pain in the ass to walk around during the day, especially in the winter when all the snow acts as a dandy sunlight mirror.
I've disliked every theme since the phpbb one 'cause they make my eyes hemorrhage buckets. Too much unnecessary white/lite-brite blue space. Especially that SMF trash that was on for a year (or so?). Still don't quite like this one, but methinks the layout's better.
tl;dr: NERD RAAAAAAAAAAAAAEG
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This new theme is fucking sexy! Much better than the previous.
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Splitting mods into balance changing and non-balance changing is a terrible idea. A better layout would be to split the mods by type:
- Server-side QVM
- Client
- Tremded
- Client-side mod
- Complete mod
- HUD
- Ideas
- etc
that would put stuff like the letter servers in the same forum as lakitu7's/paradox's/etc. game.qvm, which i think is undesirable. khalsa's wording on the subforum titles is not quite as clear as i would have liked (but i can't offer better so i shouldn't complain), and i'll post some stickies clarifying it soon as i'm done moving the other 200 threads >.>
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1) Although I do prefer this theme, some others might not, and ranctly most of them might be a wee bit too lazy to look through their profile options for the change theme button. Usually forums have such a button down at the bottom left corner of the page in a scroll menu fashion.
The change profile option was enabled specifically for those savvy users who did not like the temporary forum. I do not intended to support all the themes enabled on this site. I am only going to fully support the default theme.
2) if I may suggest as well that 2 sub-forums be added to the off-topic section:
a)A serious discussion topic forum for world/religion/thingamagigy topics
b)A spam topic where posts just don't count
I think off-topic should remain off topic. If you want serious discussion about religion etc. Go to a forum dedicated to that :-)
3) As well as 2 sub-forums to artwork
a)Screenshots/replays
b)A gfx section, Which between isin't the same thing as modeling if some people are wondering.
The entire lore category is currently so underused, further splitting it is almost pointless now. I've created the current splits because I think the Tremulous community can live up to them, and once all the threads have been moved into the proper boards (not an easy or quick task mind you) maybe we can look into further splits in the future.
In locked threads (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=9652.msg147886#new) the Reply button still says reply. It used to change to saying "Locked" or something.
I will add this to my to-do list.
Link color isn't obvious enough
I will explore this further once I get some time. If you could screenshot a couple example places you would like to see link color changed, please do to speed up this process.
I've the opposite problem. My eyes are pretty damned light-sensitive which makes it a pain in the ass to walk around during the day, especially in the winter when all the snow acts as a dandy sunlight mirror.
Sounds like Abagail is calling you!.
Thanks for all the feedback guys, I will make appropriate changes as soon as I get time.
Thanks for all the POSITIVE words of encouragement, really makes it all worthwhile ;)
Khalsa
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I like this theme, not that I had any problems with the last one :D Kudos to the designer.
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The default theme has a "Groups" tab, which I'm pretty sure shouldn't be there.
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nice theme, I like it :)
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One of the things I liked about the 'old' Tremulous forums were how broad its sections were. I suppose you have made a good choice in expanding the topics into subtopics, but if you look at other forums which do similar things, you realize that subtopics frequently get ignored, unless heavily moderated (so that posts which belong in a subforum end up there). An example is any clan forum ever (which has more than the basic boards), which has several completely unused boards. Being a well-populated forum, the Tremulous forum will probably do fine with all these subtopics, but it's still annoying for the people that go down through the list of topics instead of just 'showing unread posts'.
TL;dr version:
Is too many subtopics a good thing?
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the only forum with an extreme amount of subforums is mod release center, and that has posting disabled in it.
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As Moosberry (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=9266.msg148086#msg148086) reminds us, several of the (new) boards and sub-forums don't have descriptions or crappy ones.
Can you guys try to come up with better ones? I will quickly put up the ones I feel best represent the point of each forum.
Khalsa
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Poll with multiple options (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=9690.0) calculates percentages from the total amount of options chosen, not from how many ppl chose that option.
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that would put stuff like the letter servers in the same forum as lakitu7's/paradox's/etc. game.qvm, which i think is undesirable.
I don't see why they should be discriminated. You are discouraging all mods which attempt to fix the broken 1.1 balance. Also,
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p. good theme, p. good rules, would read/post again, A+++++++
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Theme is nice, yes (too humanish btw :police: )
But mod section is way too complex. Balance changing/Non-balance changing? When I saw it first time I wanted to runaway. I'd rather make it:
Server side features/client fixes (qvms, backports anything like that)
Client side mods (Arcade mod like, shinytrem etc, everything that uses custom pk3's)
HUDS
Ideas
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Theme is nice, yes (too humanish btw :police: )
But mod section is way too complex. Balance changing/Non-balance changing? When I saw it first time I wanted to runaway. I'd rather make it:
Server side features/client fixes (qvms, backports anything like that)
Client side mods (Arcade mod like, shinytrem etc, everything that uses custom pk3's)
HUDS
Ideas
I think the balance changing/non-balance changing is a good way to split it up, but I think the naming is a bit weird. Gameplay Mods and Non-Gameplay Mods conveys the same thing, but in a bit more reasonable wording (and there's probably even better possible wording than that).
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I don't see any reason to split up server side section into balance/non-balance changing.
I would rather do something like:
Server side:
- (Partial) Conversion f.e. Tremx would fit in here or Arcade mod
- Gametype changes/additions f.e. Domination mod, Invasion mod
Client side:
- Huds
- Client upgrades (new client, custom gfx pk3s)
Total Conversions (client and server combined):
Tremfusion would fit in here I think
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that would put stuff like the letter servers in the same forum as lakitu7's/paradox's/etc. game.qvm, which i think is undesirable.
I don't see why they should be discriminated. You are discouraging all mods which attempt to fix the broken 1.1 balance. Also,
they aren't being discriminated, or discouraged. it's simply making it easier to find mods that don't (significantly) change 1.1 gameplay and mods that do.
I don't see any reason to split up server side section into balance/non-balance changing.
I would rather do something like:
Server side:
- (Partial) Conversion f.e. Tremx would fit in here or Arcade mod
- Gametype changes/additions f.e. Domination mod, Invasion mod
Client side:
- Huds
- Client upgrades (new client, custom gfx pk3s)
Total Conversions (client and server combined):
Tremfusion would fit in here I think
all of your server side examples include a cgame >.>
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Ok, then how bout:
- Pure
- Unpure
- Approved by the Kings Council of Tremulous.net Forums
- Everything else
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Total Conversions (client and server combined):
Tremfusion would fit in here I think
lol@making special section for tremfusion (http://www.gryok.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_pan_e.gif) (btw we need this emoticon)
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I don't see any reason to split up server side section into balance/non-balance changing.
I would rather do something like:
Server side:
- (Partial) Conversion f.e. Tremx would fit in here or Arcade mod
- Gametype changes/additions f.e. Domination mod, Invasion mod
Client side:
- Huds
- Client upgrades (new client, custom gfx pk3s)
Total Conversions (client and server combined):
Tremfusion would fit in here I think
all of your server side examples include a cgame >.>
i agree with bessig, it's a good idea(and invasion doesn't include a cgame ^^)
atm i don't know if invasion must be in "Non-Gameplay Changing" or "Gameplay Changing". it change the gameplay only for one round when someone callvote invasion and the vote passed, after the server back to normal gameplay. it's a gameplay addition (it can be never use if nobody callvote), so it's hard to know if it's "Gameplay Changing" or "Non-Gameplay Changing" :s (i think the best place is "Gameplay Changing", but i prefer the bessig's idea :p)
btw, very nice theme ^^ and GJ for all :)
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p. good theme, p. good rules, would read/post again, A+++++++
get off mah ebays
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Nice new theme. :)
One thing I don't entirely like is the "Other Mapping Related Stuff (find appropriate synonym) " which sounds kind of unprofessional-ish.
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Agreed, I'm open to any/all suggestions for board and sub-board description changes.
Khalsa
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"Other Mapping Related Things"
Can I have an example of what these mapping related topics might be if they're not help and their not releases?
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I know many of you (and me) like to put the reason you edited a post in little text at the bottom, so I have added a seperate box where you can enter the "reason for edit" and it will be displayed at the bottom of the post. I encourage everyone to use it!
I'll make this post a sample.
Khalsa
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What a
crappy wonderful feature! I hate love it.
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atm i don't know if invasion must be in "Non-Gameplay Changing" or "Gameplay Changing". it change the gameplay only for one round when someone callvote invasion and the vote passed, after the server back to normal gameplay. it's a gameplay addition (it can be never use if nobody callvote), so it's hard to know if it's "Gameplay Changing" or "Non-Gameplay Changing" :s (i think the best place is "Gameplay Changing", but i prefer the bessig's idea :p)
See? Sometimes it's hard to specify if mod should go to nongameplay changing, or not (but in this case I'd put Invasion in Gameplay changing since the mod itself changes gameplay hard).
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i think that there are to many subforums its anoying. like other mapping stuff is useless the only thing that might go there is random dev shots but besides that it will be empty. and tremulous lore was a good subform but a whole form for writing is useless. my advice get rid of all the forums that have less then 2 post this month.
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Many things could go into "Other Mapping Stuff". Reference pictures, texture or sound releases, map concept art or ideas.
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Yey, like the new name thar. :)
EDIT: How about "Other Mapping Related Material"?
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Many things could go into "Other Mapping Stuff". Reference pictures, texture or sound releases, map concept art or ideas.
I would have included that in releases but perhaps that should just be for completed maps.
So for a more concise name: Mapping Resources
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Oh Look!
You can a now attach images to your posts!
Up to 6 images (gif,jpg,png,bmp only) of max 1MB each.
I think this is a nice feature, please don't abuse it. Images only. If you upload inappropriate images I will ban you.
When posting, expand the additional options and you will see the upload box there. The attached image explains it if you don't get it.
Khalsa
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Many things could go into "Other Mapping Stuff". Reference pictures, texture or sound releases, map concept art or ideas.
I would have included that in releases but perhaps that should just be for completed maps.
So for a more concise name: Mapping Resources
I'm moving the threads that don't belong to either of the other mapping boards there. Most posts
are technical issues or release-threads anyway.
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3.) Healthy debates in topics are allowed. Flaming to the point of insult-trading is NOT okay.
Note 2: (Addition to Rule 2 [you mean 3]) Moderators have the right to judge whether a topic debate has grown to the point of insults or a full-blown flame war.
So imagine for second that the following was funny.
I killed your mum in one Luci shot. I thought that was pretty awesome. :P
Is it ok for a post to not have any content other than a humorous insult?
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So imagine for second that the following was funny.
I killed your mum in one Luci shot. I thought that was pretty awesome. :P
I just can't fullfill that request sorry.
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So imagine for second that the following was funny.
I killed your mum in one Luci shot. I thought that was pretty awesome. :P
Wait! You didn't find that funny?
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What about install this mod into forum?: http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=636
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Doesn't SMF have built in SEF urls?
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SMF have only something what cause links like this: index.php/topic,16.0.html
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SMF's URLs are much prettier than that. I mean, a question mark and some semicolons? How much awesomer can you get? :P
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1) SMF: http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=9677.0
2) SMF better: http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php/topic,9677.0.html
3) Plugin: http://tremulous.net/forum/general-discussion/forum-changes
What is better?
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1 or 2.
3 is ambiguous, and looks retarded. As I recall, that's the SEF thing that also manages to rape the DB.
The forums lack a subscribe to thread button, so I can't watch a thread without posting.
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@rotacak: In Safari, number 3 generated the following:
Not Found
The requested URL /forum/general-discussion/forum-changes was not found on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
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@rotacak: In Safari, number 3 generated the following:
Not Found
The requested URL /forum/general-discussion/forum-changes was not found on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Thats because it is a proposition to install a plugin that is not actually installed.. as I understand that post.
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Happy Holidays!
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3 is ambiguous, and looks retarded.
If you using linux with commandline, then I understand completely. But I think only link 3) can give some information before you click/not click on it. I posting this there because I repeatedly clicking on already known links - i don't know how you, but I not remember all topic numbers :)
You can say "Browser will change visited links color". But browser not mark "known" links (if you know what I mean) and not telling me about that link/topis is.
Thats because it is a proposition to install a plugin that is not actually installed.. as I understand that post.
Yes.
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The purpose of a URL is to uniquely identify a page. The text and markup around it tell you what the link is to.