Hey need help connecting to servers.

[Cmon Aussie Cmon]

Ok now some stuff on my computer has been deleted . Nvm and thank you for showing you concern

[Cmon Aussie Cmon]

Bacon, hope you feel proud. You just deleted all my files form my computer. You should be banned. Waht is your problem. Can't beleive i believed you. in other words Fuck You.

[Amanieu]

I suggest you get an undelete program and try to recover as much as possible:
http://www.google.com/search?q=undelete

[benmachine]

You should be banned.

Done. Archangel gets a week, Baconizer's is permanent.

Sorry Aussie. In future, don't run commands that you don't understand. It's usually easy to find out what they do with some googling.
It's sometimes possible, as Amanieu said, to recover deleted files.

[SlackerLinux]

I suggest you get an undelete program and try to recover as much as possible:
http://www.google.com/search?q=undelete

also a good idea to do it sooner or later

when an operating system deletes stuff it only deletes the record of the data so the data is still there for now it will be overridden in time though

you should know not to run commands that have rmdir or rm or del etc learn about your PC FFS although that still doesn't give anyone the right to suggest bad commands

cant really help on your connecting problem. since its working most of the time it might just be your connection is a little dodgy and its not finding the server or something. checked firewalls etc?

[N-Ron]

I'd recommend pulling the harddrive out now (don't write any more data to that disk!), hook it up to another PC running windows, and then download and run this:

http://www.piriform.com/blog/2009/9/3/recuva-v130

Recover your documents and whatever else you can, back them up someplace else, then hook up your hard drive to your PC again and run whatever system restore program came with your computer to reformat and reinstall your OS.

Also, never run commands that you don't understand.

As far as your connection issue goes, look at your firewall and router settings. Also, try a fresh install of Trem and see what happens (sounds like you gotta do this anyways now).



BTW, for what it's worth, I totally disagree with the permaban for Baconizer. Telling someone how to do something bad is not the same as doing it to them. This was obviously a joke that went too far, and the punishment doesn't fit the offense.

[benmachine]

BTW, for what it's worth, I totally disagree with the permaban for Baconizer. Telling someone how to do something bad is not the same as doing it to them. This was obviously a joke that went too far, and the punishment doesn't fit the offense.

The punishment isn't anywhere near as severe as the amount of damage he did or could have done, and the development of the thread shows that he knew that Aussie'd listen to him and went ahead regardless. He had plenty of opportunity to say "lol j/k" but he wasn't satisfied with just that - he had to see the action carried through. There's no way that this could have been a mistake.

[Supertanker]

I, on the other hand, agree with the permanent ban. Certainly, telling someone to jump off a bridge is not the same as pushing them off; however, Baconizer was in a position in which he purposefully appeared helpful and caring to an unlearned victim; his responses appeared quite authentic and useful after the string of spammy responses. Users are more willing to trust the first or second person to come to their rescue. "Oh! He posted something nice and helpful! He must be a good person!", etc. He misused this trust.

Oh, to be sure, I enjoy the thought of telling people to go rm -rf / themselves as root, or stuff a format c: up their ass. However, actually doing it is a different matter. There are times where I would love nothing more than to get rid of people permanently, with a wonderful touch of irony to grace their own self-activated doom. However...having lost data in real life (Mostly my own fault, not watching what working directory is active, etc), I can safely say that telling someone to `rm -rf` their entire hard drive(s) is a very, very cruel thing to do; I would be hard pressed to think of someone that would actually deserved it.

Except, perhaps, Baconizer.

How'd you like to lose everything on your computer, N-Ron? Your documents? Your schoolwork? Your art? Your savegames, your applications, your programming projects? your 3d models, your maps, your textures, your sounds, desktop images, games, photographs, videos, schedules, notifications, saved e-mails, individual settings and profiles, any backups stored on one of your local drives, music, literature, end-of-the-semester thesis, your porn?

Everything?

Don't give me any crap about Aussie's computer being only 'partially' destroyed; Windows installations are almost always all-or-nothing in terms of workability, and there's a good chance that not all of his data (if any) can be recovered.

What Baconizer did is wrong, and he is paying for it.

Whooops, ben beat me to the punch. Here, hold still, I have no qualms about giving someone the slipper while he's down...

[your face]

DDDDDDDD:

[Hendrich]

Bacon, hope you feel proud. You just deleted all my files form my computer. You should be banned. Waht is your problem. Can't beleive i believed you. in other words Fuck You.

Welcome to the Tremulous Forums, Aussie.

Btw, for some miraculous reason, is your problem fixed? (Assuming your PC is in a working state)

[Kromeh]

It's the newbs fault for not having common-sense (and trusting an online community, a forum at that) 

[Supertanker]

Have a little compassion, hmm? Kromeh's argument basically says, "Well they don't know any better, we should teach them by doing horrible things to them!"

That's like saying, "Oh, young women don't know not to walk the streets at night, we should teach them by grabbing them, throwing them into a dark alleyway, and raping them!"

[Rocinante]

It's the newbs fault for not having common-sense (and trusting an online community, a forum at that) 

In that case, suck on this gun barrel while pulling on the trigger.  It tastes like chocolate!

Someone comes to you for help, you fuck them over.. well what were they supposed to do when they came FOR HELP?  Does it matter what their technical prowess is before hand?  Were you not yourself a "newb"?  Nobody can say that they were not, *everyone* was new some time.

[Kromeh]

He didn't come to him specifically for help, he just got run over by him. He should have noticed the pile drive was coming.

Yes, iWas a newb back in the day(s), but atleast iDidn't fall for that simple trick.

[tuple]

He didn't come to him specifically for help, he just got run over by him. He should have noticed the pile drive was coming.

Yes, iWas a newb back in the day(s), but atleast iDidn't fall for that simple trick.

yet

there are many, many tricks.  You most likely have not seen a fraction of them.  You should feel fortunate that us old people don't think as these idiots and start pulling them.

Should the developers pull such tricks, in the code you so gleefully run on your machine?  How much free software do you run?  How about is running on the servers you connect to and use?  Not just the trem servers, all of them.  Google servers, etc.  Should they care so little about the havoc they cause on your machine?

Blame the victim and you ignore how often you do exactly what he is doing, just in a different form.

This is exactly why I don't help some members of the trem community.  They have great ideas for collecting information, then demonstrate how responsible they are with other peoples information.  No thanks.

[Kromeh]

If the dev's decided to put malicious code into the game, that would be wrong on their part.

If the user decideed to put malicious code into his or her's own cmd prompt, that would be the user's fault.

[tuple]

The point of course being that the user did not know if the code they ran on their command line is malicious, just as you don't know if the free code you are running is malicious.  You take it on trust that the author(s) have not acted maliciously, just as he took it on trust that the code he was given was not malicious. No difference. 

Many will tell you that you should know all of the code that is run on your machine.  That is as unrealistic as someone telling a non-technical individual that they should understand the command line of any system, which is actually quite arcane if you have absolutely no knowledge of it. 


Expecting the random "my game won't work" user to learn any command line syntax is as silly as me expecting you to know all of the code that runs on your computer.

[Snake]

This is why it's ever good to have a copy/backup of your files and why you shouln't trust the people over the internet and why you should check out 1st what you are going to do before doing it(If you dont know what something does), even if it sounds really trustfully.

[Kromeh]

You should atleast google what you are about to do to yourself.

It's like this:

Lets say you were in school.
Lets also say you got a cut.
Lets also say you ask your friends whats a good way to relieve the pain.
One person suggests putting salt on it.
Do you do it because you trust that this person or can you obviously tell he is joking?

[KillerWhale]

Mods: I understand that you feel Baconizer went over the line, but I think you should give him one more chance, just an "if you ever fuck up again you're gone" warning.

Many people, myself included, feel hurt when the vanilla Tremulous gameplay is insulted, then we are insulted, then we're called "fags" by someone who is asking for help.
It's kind of like someone walking up to you and saying "Hey, fix my watch you dumb cunt." and pestering you every four seconds you can't get it fixed.

Baconizer: While I do understand where you were coming from, I don't think it's totally necessary to tell someone to do that. While it is average and kosher elsewhere on the internet, where you and others likely come from, it is generally unacceptable to do so on forums such as these. Anywhere else, it is an occupational hazard of asking for help, but you might want to tone it down from the full-out guide, or even avoid usage at all.

[N-Ron]

How'd you like to lose everything on your computer, N-Ron?

I think what Baconizer did was immature, and I was just stating my view on the matter. I keep backups of important things. In addition to that, Baconizer's suggested commands wouldn't delete everything (it only renames, and it was just several directories), unlike the original joke and previously mentioned *nix command to *delete* the root directory (which earned a 1 week ban), which Cmon Aussie Cmon was warned about by Kiwi, and then Baconizer expanded on, in his joke.

If it comes down to damage done based on the user's ignorance about their operating system, that's bull.

A 'Support' link from the Main page to the Troubleshooting topic possibly could have prevented all of this...

[David]

In addition to that, Baconizer's suggested commands wouldn't delete everything (it only renames, and it was just several directories)

It is delete (See http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc726055%28WS.10%29.aspx).
And those directories happen to be the ones that contain everything hard to replace.

[Kromeh]

Like your windows installation?

That is SO hard to replace! iMean SERIOUSLY!

[Cmon Aussie Cmon]

thnks for looking in2 it.

[Cmon Aussie Cmon]

Probably loose my job now...

[David]

Like your windows installation?

That is SO hard to replace! iMean SERIOUSLY!

Learn to read.  Doc's and Settings = All *your* files.

[Snake]

Probably loose my job now...

I cannot seriously believe that you are saying that, even after we(the community) gave you tools to recover your information, as We said, you can recover your data since it is not really deleted from the hard disk, only its logical link, and as said there are several software that can recover it easily. Now if you don't want to do it that's your fault, still, if you had your work there you should have a backup of it on a USB Pendrive/disk/Memory or anywhere on the internet, if you don't have it, it means how much do you care about your work and that's why you are gonna lose it.

Don't take it as a flame, take it more as a suggestion, ever keep a backup of the important files inb4 doom.

About your connection issues, I strongly suggest you to ask it on the "colored servers" forums, since, as you noticed, some people on our community do not like(It means hate) their server for many reasons that don't need to be pointed out.

Now, as Whales said, I wouldn't like to see my favorite game being disrespected and threated bad, specially after asking for help, I really think that this time Baconizer really fscked it up but I know that he never had the bad intentions, He didn't noticed how noob was "Cmon Aussie Cmon", Baconizer DID NOT thought that he actually was going to execute these CMDs, and we are not sure at all if He actually did, however, since Archangel did it before Baconizer, Baconizer thought that he would take advice from the older posts and not execute that CMD, specially having *RM* on the cmd name. However Baconizer is a good guy and as I said, his intentions was not of making this guy lose information.

Also, as Kromeh said, the User was who executed the code and therefore it's His fault, people over internet is not trustworthy at all, you ever should check what you are going to do before doing it, specially having important files on your computer, in all the laws there is a paragraph that says "The unknowing of the rules doesn't means that you haven't to follow them" so, as said the unknowing of how the computer works doesn't means that it's not your fault.

MODS: It would be nice if you reconsider the Baconizer ban, as said His intentions are not bad, he just didn't knew how newbie the user was.

PS1: Sorry for my bad english.
PS2: I tried to keep a clear language, and disrespect at the minimum, sorry if sometimes I sound a little hard, but the sad truth is real.

[Helix.]

trem r so srs bizznes so unban bacon now

[Rocinante]

I *might* be able to believe that Baconizer didn't realize the OP was ignorant to the commands' effects, if the OP didn't mention something about permissions problems and he then continued to expand upon what needed to be done to make the command succeed.  In other words, in my opinion - and obviously the opinion of at least a couple others here - he knew what he was doing, and thought it would be cool.  Or funny.  Or whatever.

Pleas by others to "unban him nau" will either go unheard, or deleted, or you can go join him.  This cantankerous old fuck doesn't care, so turn down your goddamned music and get off of my lawn.