This section needs to get pissed

[Kaine]

Make sure to include a hidden "easter egg" room that has paintings depicting Iabz and Dracone snuggling and producing grangerish offspring.

[Jedarus]

make a button in all 1.2 maps that make that lovely sound, and have motivational posters everywhere of hovels

will u make 1.2 a map, that is the inside of a giant hovel, with a granger coming in and out. with that sound every 5 seconds?

Yeah I want a map like that as well. I would never grow tired of that sound.

And what I was referring to was that no-one really uses them for their proper purpose, which is to protect a solitary granger inside until it has finished gestating and is ready to burst forth from the spiky womb of the hovel. The hole is even the right shape. 

[Demolution]

Looks like a sphincter to me...

[Jedarus]

Sphincter, vagina, whatever. It's a place where things can be ejected out/excreted/egested 

[BeerBastard]

I think we all would just like 1.2 to be a basic balance mod.

-Silent lisk( maybe a range buff)
-Either keep goon range the same(as 1.1) or get rid of the new dodge feature.

Right now goon range was nerfed, and humans have a new dodge feature. This isn't balance.

Things I see in 1.2 that don't belong. (Didn't need fixing)
-Luci changes
-Death cam
-New rant view height and range nerf, +trample dmg (Just keeping rant the same and lowering it's health a little would have worked)
Just to name a few.

Yes I have been playing the latest 1.2

I see things being over complicating and that will need rebalancing.

[KamikOzzy]

I don't think the lisk isn't good enough in 1.1, I just think we don't have enough good lisks anymore, so I wouldn't change it either.

I think to truly balance the game, yeah, the rant deserves a health point nerf.

I've flirted with the idea of making the dragoon stage 2 (regular, not advanced) but have mara+ be stage 1, in hopes that there would be less absolute domination early on, forcing camping right off the bat. Not that mara's can't dominate, but two hits rather than one, and no pounce-insta-pwnage. Silly, I know, but at least I'm not forcing it on everyone

[amz181]

I like the deathcam. The asthetic and non gameplay changes are all fine for me.

Most of the gameplay cahnges i hate. And im not sure about the basi, i have seen two people who could make a decent return off of it past S1.

[Grape]

adv mara owns bro ok it needs s2 it op

[VonDutch]

Well there are no more good clans or fun in this game anymore, that's simply why i did quit.

~Ingarlg

[A Spork]

I've flirted with the idea of making the dragoon stage 2 (regular, not advanced) but have mara+ be stage 1, in hopes that there would be less absolute domination early on, forcing camping right off the bat. Not that mara's can't dominate, but two hits rather than one, and no pounce-insta-pwnage. Silly, I know, but at least I'm not forcing it on everyone

Thats a pretty good idea(Actually, I've been thinking something similar as of late). Goons are a little Overpowered at s1, although Mara+ might be too...

[IabzO.o]

Well there are no more good clans or fun in this game anymore, that's simply why i did quit.

~Ingarlg

Wow, a guy who was NEVER in the competition leaves because there is no more competition. Awesome bro, you cool bro.

[Player]

I don't post often on the tremulous forums but I agree this 1.2 does not fix anything.
The only things that I like are the removal of pounce and charge TK (yes I have had it happen to me so many times and it is hard for lots of people to control) and that is removable in servers at the owner's choice. I also don't like the overpowered turrets in this new version.

[Demonic Anger]

The only things that I like are the removal of pounce and charge TK

you do know that you can turn that off....

[KamikOzzy]

Actually, they're doing all testing afaik with all friendly fire off, which is absolutely retarded because no self-respecting player plays that way.

[Player]

The only things that I like are the removal of pounce and charge TK

you do know that you can turn that off....

and that is removable in servers at the owner's choice.

yes i do

[Jedarus]

I don't post often on the tremulous forums but I agree this 1.2 does not fix anything.
The only things that I like are the removal of pounce and charge TK (yes I have had it happen to me so many times and it is hard for lots of people to control) and that is removable in servers at the owner's choice. I also don't like the overpowered turrets in this new version.

Most servers apart from the Russian unlagged one, DretchStorm and a few others have pounce and charge TK turned off so it wouldn't really matter to the majority of players.

[Myth]

Silly, I know, but at least I'm not forcing it on everyone

You're not a developer.  LOL!

[Silver]

Actually, they're doing all testing afaik with all friendly fire off, which is absolutely retarded because no self-respecting player plays that way.

+1 How could you possibly test balance without friendly fire on?  Also I hope those devil rets still gun down humans, because that will make dretch useful in bases again.  I'll have to go test that now that I think about it.


@ Myth
Seeing as how for the past 4 years this game has ran solely on the player's basis and from player ran servers and everything else, I don't think its far for so called Dev's to now just force whatever they want on anyone.  Seriously they abandoned this game and they need a much more subtle ride back in if they want to be accepted.

[Grape]

i accept it

[Jedarus]

+1 How could you possibly test balance without friendly fire on?  Also I hope those devil rets still gun down humans, because that will make dretch useful in bases again.  I'll have to go test that now that I think about it.

What devil rets  And how would that affect dretches?

[IabzO.o]

Only one of you can accept my burden. Who will it be?

What is your burden!?

It is my cock, and you must carry it in your mouth for 17 days. A big fat jui-

Blood interrupts The Quest Giver:

i accept it

[bob0]

I have tried it, we played all last night. If it stays the way it is I have to say it would be horrible. I am hoping this "beta" is actually a beta and changes are made based on informed players, most of which will come from this section(the players)

Right now the range nerf on most the aliens and the additional dodge feature on humans makes humans very hard to beat. In our games last night we had some pretty even teams and aliens got stomped 98% of the time.(The devs mentioned they were aware of this. Which is a good sign)

http://stats.tremulous.net/
us1:
Alien wins: 429
Human wins: 426
euro1:
Alien wins: 483
Human wins: 485

If I were to go by what I "feel" the balance is and not by the stats (which Norfenstein did before GPP), I'd say that, besides pounce being too powerful IMO against larmour, it's balanced; these are just feelings, though, and I don't play goon enough to mean much when I say this.  Aliens were overbalanced in 1.1.  I'm glad the ranges and widths were finally nerfed.  Tyrant was especially much too lenient.  I think 1.1 players are accustomed to 1.1's range and width, and then they become under the illusion that aliens are a lot worse now (they are, but not to the point of making the underpowered).  Humans aren't really too tough to kill.

Now, camping, on the other hand, is another issue.  Domination fixes camping.  More information here: http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=12579.0