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Win ratio on the official 1.2 servers

Aliens 70 : 30 Humans (or worse)
1 (1.8%)
Aliens 65 : 35 Humans
0 (0%)
Aliens 60 : 40 Humans
5 (8.8%)
Aliens 55 : 45 Humans
4 (7%)
Aliens 50 : 50 Humans
9 (15.8%)
Aliens 45 : 55 Humans
22 (38.6%)
Aliens 40 : 60 Humans
8 (14%)
Aliens 35 : 65 Humans
3 (5.3%)
Aliens 30 : 70 Humans (or worse)
5 (8.8%)

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Norfenstein

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Guess the 1.2 balance
« on: December 11, 2009, 12:20:56 pm »
We're getting close to having enough games on the official servers to make a decision about the next phase of the beta, but before we reveal the data I'm curious about how well people's perceptions match up with reality. So tell me what you think the win ratios are on the official 1.2 beta servers. Note that games with fewer than six players aren't counted.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2009, 12:23:08 pm by Norfenstein »
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2009, 12:23:36 pm »
Tipped slightly in favor of aliens. I'm not going to estimate a percentage because I'll look like an ass.
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2009, 12:56:09 pm »
55:45 to aliens.  On US1 anyway, haven't played anywhere else.

But 60:40 to humans on kill count.  And slightly more human on getting stages first. 
« Last Edit: December 11, 2009, 12:59:57 pm by David »
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2009, 01:26:26 pm »
Alens 60 : Humans 40
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2009, 07:41:30 pm »
Aliens 45 : 55 Humans
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2009, 06:19:03 am »
Looks like humans have a 21 to 5 edge over aliens in terms of people's perceptions.
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2009, 07:41:55 pm »
50/50
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2009, 07:43:44 pm »
A 60:40 H
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2009, 08:47:40 pm »
What do you mean, "Guess"?  More like, "Say what everyone knows is true." ;D
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2009, 09:23:55 pm »
60 : 40 H
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2009, 01:00:49 am »
A little biased towards humans.

All these people whinging about 'ONOZ I WILL KEEP 1.1' are just afraid of change.
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2009, 06:22:37 am »
people are whining about 1.2 because they spent 3 years on it. its not like they had to create a whole new game, engine and all. they had 3 years to make gameplay balanced, so it better fucking be balanced. that is why people are whining.
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2009, 11:18:46 am »
Played quite a alot of games on 1.2 beta (about 20 players) and it really is rather balanced. Despite how much humans' capabilities gets booster, it's still fine if people would actually give more priority on teamwork. Don't just judge how 1.2 is by just playing a game and rage cause you're not used to it. Try getting a lisk to follow on aliens for example.
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2009, 03:24:48 pm »
Who the fuck is that oh it is vanSG from Avalanche server good times good times...

Teamwork is more of a priority though, this is true.
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2009, 03:36:22 pm »
Humans seem to be a bit stronger..... 50a-40h
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2009, 09:04:04 pm »
See http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=12469.0 for the thrilling conclusion to this topic :)
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2009, 10:25:37 pm »
yay i actually guessed right so did 3 others. i definitely think its too early to determine the balance 1.2 is definitely different from 1.1 and i suspect that things may balance out to more 50:50 once people get used to it.
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2009, 11:08:16 pm »
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2009, 08:47:42 am »
Quote from: Norfenstein on December 11, 2009, 12:20:56 pm
We're getting close to having enough games on the official servers to make a decision about the next phase of the beta, but before we reveal the data I'm curious about how well people's perceptions match up with reality.

I've been playing for a few days in the european dev server, and my perception is that I've not seen yet humans to build a not-noob base a single time, and I mean, not even decent from a pub match perspective, which is all I ever played. So, I find very hard to trust statistics based on such games since I believe teams aren't using half of their strength. And it's weird, cause I know there are players in there who know how to build, but no one seems to want to.

Of course it's just a few days. Not the vastest experience, but...


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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2009, 05:21:09 pm »
Reading my last post again and it sounds kinda rude. I'm not trying to imply I consider the players in there noobs at all. What I mean is that the server seems to not have a established enough user base yet. Many people is joining just to check and don't play the same way they would do at the server they usually play.
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2009, 03:14:18 am »
Aliens have just been nerfed, and humans buffed.  I just played for a few minutes and the humans were noob but still destroying.  Aliens can only win if the team is very stacked.  Which actually happens quite a bit since noobs always want to play humans.  Scrims are going to be so ridiculous though, aliens will never be able to win a decent scrim.  The winners are always going to be whichever clan gets humans first.  Anyway I typically find myself playing aliens 2/3rds the time on 1.1, since I always pick auto, and as aformentioned noobs always want to play humans.  I'm good with aliens, my other nicks are OldPlayer#0 and PrettyPinkPrincess if that helps.  And all I got to say is there is no way I will be able to play the game like this.  If auto still puts me on aliens 2/3rds the time, once people get decent and there are servers where half the team isn't anything but feeders, aliens will never stand a chance.  It's no fun always loosing.


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To expand on this a little more.  I don't think the devs realize that the draw for players is going to naturally be toward humans.  The ranged attacks they have fits more the style of an fps, and comes more naturally.  Also it's just more fun to sit there with an MD and pick off poor hapless dretchs from a distance, then have to learn how to wallclimb effectively.  With the new balance things are even worse, absolutely no one wants to play aliens on 1.2.  No one, it sucks, you know you are at a disadvantage, and it's just not as fun anyway since you can't shoot your enemies.  The devs here are looking at public server stats where all the new crappy players flock to humans, and are still trying to balance things out and make humans stronger?

How about this, track how many players pick humans, aliens and auto.  You'll find in 1.1 a slight advantage toward humans, with alot of players picking auto, and a few picking aliens.  In 1.2 it's ridiculous, no one wants aliens, cause they suck and are hard, plus they are just unnatural to play at first.  I bet it's like 90% of the click are for the human team, with 9% being for auto and maybe some bizarre massochist picking aliens.
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2009, 09:09:45 pm »
Friendly fire must be turn on on official servers.
Many times I saw rushing hums all with pulserifles spaming whole tunels, halls and rooms full of them trying to hit 1 dretch or mara, giving them big disadventage...
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2009, 10:54:51 pm »
Yeah, I've had a few matches too where the humans should have been broke and lost cuz of like 6 chain/luci-suits trying to hit like 2 dretches and they should have tked each other...so it might be a good idea to test it just for some numbers to crunch...
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2009, 04:27:45 am »
It was said elsewhere, but I will repeat it here, that it makes the most sense to balance for one set of variables first. The server.cfg that comes with gpp1 has player friendly fire disabled and that gets priority.
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2009, 04:49:39 am »
Oh I get that, I'm just saying it'd be smart to test it, cuz I garantee a bunch of servers will have ff on.
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2009, 08:10:49 am »
hmm but ff off gives big advantage to humans. so if you balance it for ff off
then you need rebalance game to balance hums on ff on :P
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Re: Guess the 1.2 balance
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2009, 10:13:59 pm »
so far the individual aliens seem much weaker, with many bonuses for being in the base and sticking together, its obviously an attempt to lower the "lone wolf" connonation that playing for the aliens holds since theyre were very self sufficent and more powerful than their individual human counter-parts. so far im liking most of it on the big picture, but their are still a few details that feel out of place :hovel: :hovel: :hovel: ill be posting them as time goes by (i dont write about anything until ive experianced it enough to be sure its wrong and not just me being used to 1.1)
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