Opinion of 1.2 vs 1.1

[Silver]

not sure how the stats work, but try searching me up. gambit/stevenm, wont find a trace of me.

I would assume thats because you've only played on the EU server so far.

http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/eu1/player_details.php?player_id=628

[AppleJuice]

not sure how the stats work, but try searching me up. gambit/stevenm, wont find a trace of me.

I would assume thats because you've only played on the EU server so far.

http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/eu1/player_details.php?player_id=628

No, it's because a bunch of stats were erased (stuff from December), which is why it looks like I haven't played at all. StevenM has played on the official US server plenty of times.

As for your other points, I didn't want to start a debate, so I won't. I wrote "etc." because there are many other variables I can think of. Personally, whenever I played 1.2, I didn't really play to win/get a good ratio/etc.; I played to test new abilities/demonstrate a few things to spectators who PMed me/etc., and I'm sure many other players test things/fool around in-game as well. Again, those stats don't mean much to me; watching in-game performance means a lot more (while not rusty). That's just me though, and I'm pretty sure those stats are just meant for amusement/fun, so whatever.

GO 1.2

[Silver]

not sure how the stats work, but try searching me up. gambit/stevenm, wont find a trace of me.

I would assume thats because you've only played on the EU server so far.

http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/eu1/player_details.php?player_id=628

No, it's because a bunch of stats were erased (stuff from December), which is why it looks like I haven't played at all. StevenM has played on the official US server plenty of times.

As for your other points, I didn't want to start a debate, so I won't. I wrote "etc." because there are many other variables I can think of. Personally, whenever I played 1.2, I didn't really play to win/get a good ratio/etc.; I played to test new abilities/demonstrate a few things to spectators who PMed me/etc., and I'm sure many other players test things/fool around in-game as well. Again, those stats don't mean much to me; watching in-game performance means a lot more (while not rusty). That's just me though, and I'm pretty sure those stats are just meant for amusement/fun, so whatever.

GO 1.2

Ah and of course stats are going to be less accurate during a beta test phase and I'm sure they'll be reset again the next phase and once in the final release.  After the final release, however, I don't see many people playing to goof off on the Official Server.  Since thats where most new players are going to be, it's better people take the game serious and teach people how to play and support their team instead of feeding.

[Dr.Salvador]

I've gotta say this really sucks. After playing the game since 2007 1.2 comes out and ruins the experience for me. Really feels like the devs just gave a lot of the old players a big "Fuck you"

[Kaine]

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I love this guy. ^

[Conzul]

I've gotta say this really sucks. After playing the game since 2007 1.2 comes out and ruins the experience for me. Really feels like the devs just gave a lot of the old players a big "Fuck you"

Don't be down! I'm sure a few 1.1 servers will keep running (I hope, I play both religiously), +20 hrs prefer 1.1

[Silver]

I've gotta say this really sucks. After playing the game since 2007 1.2 comes out and ruins the experience for me. Really feels like the devs just gave a lot of the old players a big "Fuck you"

+1 to you good sir.

[Plague Bringer]

As many have said, there will be a "1.1 Gameplay" mod out shortly after the release of 1.2.

[_Equilibrium_]

Prefer 1.2 by far (20+ hours). I tried 1.1 again recently and the alien bite/slash range is just ridiculous. It's also very freeing that the crouch bug is fixed. Now there is no stupid crouching all the time. I would like to see how scrims turn out, but there are too few clans in 1.2 so far to test it out. The only thing i dislike is the new shotgun. If 1.1 shotty was overpowered, the 1.2 shotty seems underpowered. Maybe there is a happy medium out there.

[bob0]

Prefer 1.2 by far (20+ hours). I tried 1.1 again recently and the alien bite/slash range is just ridiculous. It's also very freeing that the crouch bug is fixed. Now there is no stupid crouching all the time. I would like to see how scrims turn out, but there are too few clans in 1.2 so far to test it out.

I do too!

The only thing i dislike is the new shotgun. If 1.1 shotty was overpowered, the 1.2 shotty seems underpowered. Maybe there is a happy medium out there.

For a while, the shotgun's overall damage was less than 1.1's.

Now, the only difference between the old and new shottgun is that the new shotgun is slightly less reliant on luck, which was done by increasing the number of pellets and decreasing the damage per pellet.

[_Equilibrium_]

Now, the only difference between the old and new shottgun is that the new shotgun is slightly less reliant on luck, which was done by increasing the number of pellets and decreasing the damage per pellet.

I know this, but for some reason, the increased pellets make it seem a lot less accurate against dretches. I've shot dretches from up close, point blank on some occasions, and they survived. I don't know, maybe it's just bad luck for me. In 1.1, I bought shotgun almost exclusively until we hit s3. Now (1.2), in s1, I buy las almost as much as shotty, and in s2, I pretty much only use pulse.

[Norfenstein]

For what it's worth, I kind of agree that the shotgun feels less powerful than it used to.

[Conzul]

Don't use it against dretches.

[David]

Isn't that kinda one of its main uses?

[StevenM]

dunno about you, but i always grabbed a shotty because i could tear into a goon or tyrant in just a few shots. i never really used it for dretches. thats what lasgun/md/rifle are for imo. the shotgun is perfect as it stands imo.

[kevlarman]

Now, the only difference between the old and new shottgun is that the new shotgun is slightly less reliant on luck, which was done by increasing the number of pellets and decreasing the damage per pellet.

I know this, but for some reason, the increased pellets make it seem a lot less accurate against dretches. I've shot dretches from up close, point blank on some occasions, and they survived. I don't know, maybe it's just bad luck for me. In 1.1, I bought shotgun almost exclusively until we hit s3. Now (1.2), in s1, I buy las almost as much as shotty, and in s2, I pretty much only use pulse.

the original reason i asked for double the pellets/half the damage was to make it easier to hit the (then) smaller dretches, since the 7/8 shotgun wasn't actually capable of killing one at full hp before it got the dreaded headbite. it worked fairly well for something that didn't touch the overall balance of the weapon (though you did get a lot less random shotty snipes on fleeing marauders).

[_Equilibrium_]

Don't use it against dretches.

What am I supposed to do, let them kill me? I can't carry around 2 weapons at a time (discounting blaster). It's not like I have the choice in fighting goons OR dretches.

[CATAHA]

Forward bases aren't as strong in 1.1 than they are in 1.2

Im not even talking about outposts. I talking about gameplay itself. Even outposts cant help cowards. =)

[Conzul]

Isn't that kinda one of its main uses?

Yeah but I mostly see it taking out Dragoons, basilisks and marauders. Dretches are so fast now it's hard to shotty them

[MitSugna]

1.2 is superior and it is not open to discussion!

[CATAHA]

Ye... Only quistion - superior what. Some ppls think its superior game, some - superior crap. =D

[Demolution]

1.2 is superior and it is not open to discussion!

Wrong.

[MitSugna]

1.2 is superior and it is not open to discussion!

Wrong Demotion.

[Conzul]

1.2 is superior and it is not open to discussion!

Wrong Demotion.

Exactly. You spelled "Demolution" wrong.

[Demolution]

Demotion must be some new guy at the forums.

Anyways, whether or not 1.2 is superior is a matter of opinion. We can argue about it all we want, because you are in absolutely no position to tell us what we should think.

[Liskey]

85 hours (on official servers), prefer 1.2.   It took me longer than 20 hours to get used to 1.2, and there are things I still don't like (e.g. the shotty being much less effective on dretches even though it does equal damage), but the mara is really fun now, and so is zone building.  Don't make a snap judgement based on 5, or even 20 hours of play.

OT: what's up with that poll display?  0 players (0%) played exactly 20 hours and prefer 1.1, but the bargraph still shows 1% black
 

[zybork]

I've gotta say this really sucks. After playing the game since 2007 1.2 comes out and ruins the experience for me. Really feels like the devs just gave a lot of the old players a big "Fuck you"

Oh yeah...

Tremulous 1.1: Tyrants overpowered, alien regen way too fast, teslas/dc in fact useless, the only strategy aliens need is just to get to S3 and then pound humans into submission.

1.2 is a good thing. Some flaws, still (for instance, I find they messed up turrets and the old shotgun was better), but overall it is much better than 1.1, altough I wish they would trade tyrants with another class to make the psychological break because the old 1.1-tyrant ways dont work anymore.