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I am curious...
« on: April 13, 2010, 11:49:16 pm »
Of all the Tremulous servers... Many of witch are decent. Why do so many people seem to be against the most popular Server? X

After all, it is the most popular... Has a great list of admins, works hard at keeping the gameplay fun...And is always #1 or #2 on gametracker.... ;D ;D http://www.gametracker.com/search/q3/

How is that a bad thing?
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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2010, 12:05:27 am »
Because it's not tremulous, and it's lying to players saying it is.

And it's only popular because it's at the top of the list.  Popularity and list position are basically the same thing.
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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2010, 12:09:40 am »
Because it's not tremulous, and it's lying to players saying it is.

Its not Tremulous? How do you figure that one out?
And it's only popular because it's at the top of the list.  Popularity and list position are basically the same thing.

List position changes... I have seen it on top, almost 12 down.... Thats not a reason... If so then why aren't ones that are at the top of the server list at times, AA, for example, the most popular?
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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2010, 12:18:27 am »
X got much of it's popularity from abusing the way the default client sorts the server list to get itself at/near the top. And it's gameplay is so different that I don't consider it Tremulous. It's like comparing pushcannon to nexus6. AFAIK (not saying I actually know much about it) any changes there are made because someone thinks they are cool, not because of how it affects the rest of the gameplay. Contrary to what many think, throwing lots of things together doesn't make a good game. It makes a pile of rubble.

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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2010, 12:50:25 am »
X got much of it's popularity from abusing the way the default client sorts the server list to get itself at/near the top. And it's gameplay is so different that I don't consider it Tremulous. It's like comparing pushcannon to nexus6. AFAIK (not saying I actually know much about it) any changes there are made because someone thinks they are cool, not because of how it affects the rest of the gameplay. Contrary to what many think, throwing lots of things together doesn't make a good game. It makes a pile of rubble.

Abusing the way it sorts servers? Oh come on... That is not even close. You think they abuse it... Hmm, well I can tell you they dont. After all, other servers are listed above them.... Or has no one ever bothered to look and see?

You are talking about changes etc... Every server has a different way of doing things, but yet they are not attacked as heavily as X Servers... Sounds more like jealousy and not actual issues..

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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 01:04:48 am »
I checked, it does abuse the default list sorting (which is by name), and I have to admit the changes are ~10x worse then I thought. Also, from my experience most that say they have come from X have no clue how to play actual Trem and often ragequit. I think that is quite a good way to measure how similar it is.

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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 01:08:19 am »
Abusing the way it sorts servers? Oh come on... That is not even close. You think they abuse it... Hmm, well I can tell you they dont. After all, other servers are listed above them.... Or has no one ever bothered to look and see?
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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2010, 02:00:58 am »
Of all the Tremulous servers... Many of witch are decent. Why do so many people seem to be against the most popular Server? X

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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2010, 02:34:40 am »
Players coming off from the X server also often find it hard to kill anyone on a normal server, so they are forced to return to the X server.  A black hole effect if you will...

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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2010, 03:16:10 am »
On the other hand, people from regular servers don't have much trouble going to X, though people used to vanillia tremulous are likely to find it...well...Anyways the communities seem to be rather separated. X might as well be a complete fork of actual tremulous, a fork that prevents newbies from playing the game that I have come to know and love.

It further alienates the rest of the community by pretending to be something its not. All of its mod files are placed in the base folder, something which should be reserved for, you guessed it, the game's base files. This is both untidy and not particularly honest.
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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2010, 03:35:20 am »
Players coming off from the X server also often find it hard to kill anyone on a normal server, so they are forced to return to the X server.  A black hole effect if you will...

I must be different than them I guess, I have no trouble switching back and forth, and several of the people I know on X like to play on other less modded servers...
On the other hand, people from regular servers don't have much trouble going to X, though people used to vanillia tremulous are likely to find it...well...Anyways the communities seem to be rather separated. X might as well be a complete fork of actual tremulous, a fork that prevents newbies from playing the game that I have come to know and love.

It further alienates the rest of the community by pretending to be something its not. All of its mod files are placed in the base folder, something which should be reserved for, you guessed it, the game's base files. This is both untidy and not particularly honest.

Ok.... I give you the fact that the communities are seperated.... BUT, As far as its server file operation... Just how do you know where they stick their mod files? Have you been involved in setting up the server? Do you have SSH access? Are you a ranking admin at XserverX? If so then perhaps you should drop the alias and help the server that more people play than any other.... Instead of bashing it to try and make the other, less fortunate servers feel better.

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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2010, 04:17:24 am »
X has nothing in common with trem gameplay wise, but it acts like it's vanilla trem, that's the main reason people hate it.

And I'd say he knows where the mod files got put because, I don't know, he actually looked where they got put on his machine?

Too be honest, I think X should be forced to make it blatantly clear to all the newbies that x server gameplay is not at all representitive of real trem gameplay else be removed from the master list.
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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2010, 04:39:08 am »
X has nothing in common with trem gameplay wise, but it acts like it's vanilla trem, that's the main reason people hate it.

And I'd say he knows where the mod files got put because, I don't know, he actually looked where they got put on his machine?

Too be honest, I think X should be forced to make it blatantly clear to all the newbies that x server gameplay is not at all representitive of real trem gameplay else be removed from the master list.

Ok, and is Wonderland gonna be forced to do the same? What about ubp? I say it is representative of Trem in the fact that it is modified. WOW Trem is open source, and that is a spirit of its own, you force everyone to be carbon copies of your boring servers, (On which I can play as well on as on X) then you lose the whole point of the open source community... You put X off of the master list and all you will do is force people to have to deal with your elitist attitudes... And that will drive more people away than X ever would have... X saves trem to the point that it is the most popular Quake 3 server most of the time...Period...

You make everyone deal with people like attack X all the time and trem will die alot faster than you think... Nobody likes elitists..

As far as mod files in the base folder.... Um, that is where they are supposed to go... Unless you dont want them to work... After all, the client doesnt give a very reliable way to set mods otherwise... The only file from X that does anything is their QVM and that is on the server.... Um, next.....

So far the only things you have given as far as why you all see Server X as an enemy is conjecture and bias... Not anything other than, 'they cheat' or 'they mod' or 'they take players' and yet a noob on your server is chased away by the SO called pros....

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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2010, 05:01:34 am »
I must be different than them I guess, I have no trouble switching back and forth, and several of the people I know on X like to play on other less modded servers...(On which I can play as well on as on X)
Hmmm...If you really can play half-decently on both (idk if you're skilled atm) you may have a point. Question: Explain the usage of adv. granger spit and blasters on both X and vanilla trem. I have not problem with X being different, I have a problem with a server as severely modded as X representing tremulous. If X moved its server to 1.2 where there are 'official servers' then I wouldn't have a problem.
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Ok, and is Wonderland gonna be forced to do the same? What about ubp?
UBP may be a mod, but it advertises what makes it different from its title. Furthermore, a perfectly normal vanilla server can set its bp for each team to 999 and have *almost* the same effect. I refuse to play on UBP servers for an extended period of time but that's another topic. Newbie builders may try to use tactics from ubp on other servers, but its not worse than normal newbie behavior, unlike X. Don't know about wonderland.
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Nobody likes elitists..
Its hardly elitist to want one mod of trem separated from vanilla trem, ie. "X sucks because its not trem and says it is", nor is it elitist to say "X sucks because it has bad gameplay", that's just stating an opinion based on one's personal beliefs. To say "X sucks because its not pure trem" may be elitist, but I think more often someone who says that is trying to say the former.
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As far as mod files in the base folder.... Um, that is where they are supposed to go... Unless you dont want them to work... After all, the client doesnt give a very reliable way to set mods otherwise...
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The only file from X that does anything is their QVM and that is on the server
That is true, but it means you cannot have a separate set of binds for vanilla tremulous and X server, this is a problem for people who build their binds based on tactical combinations, or want "itemtoggle blaster" set to the right mouse button instead of "itemact medkit". I like autoexec.cfg thank you very much.
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So far the only things you have given as far as why you all see Server X as an enemy is conjecture and bias... Not anything other than, 'they cheat'
Which is true, AA has also gotten some flack for that.
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or 'they mod'
That they mod is fine, its that they mod *improperly*
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or 'they take players'
That they take players is fine, the problem is that they confuse players as to the nature of tremulous.
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Re: Blogging about why people hate X server so much
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2010, 05:06:55 am »
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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2010, 05:07:40 am »
That was just MY opinion, not like it would ever happen.

And like everyone else has said, it's only popular because it exploits hoe the vanilla client lists the servers, and hardly anyone who starts playing there can play anywhere else, so they stay.

And at least ubp doesn't change everything, just there is unlimited build points for more crazy bases, and they don't pretend to be something they're not.
I personally don't find x to be all that fun. It's an ok distraction for a round or two, but it's got nothing on real trem gameplay.

Why are you so convinced that X can do no wrong?
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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2010, 05:35:54 am »
most people will sort by ping so i dont really believe that adding box chars to get on top of list is valid but meh seems like alot of server owners disagree since like every server does that.

they would only need to not use base if they change client files(like more game assets and cgame/ui changes etc) altho i dont agree with their server changes they are not doing anything wrong

this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnhHALkQXiE reminds me of their playerbase prob a good thing they are on x server
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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2010, 05:45:52 am »
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As far as mod files in the base folder.... Um, that is where they are supposed to go... Unless you dont want them to work... After all, the client doesnt give a very reliable way to set mods otherwise...
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I must have misunderstood what you meant by the mod files... I apologize...  ;)

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To say "X sucks because its not pure trem" may be elitist, but I think more often someone who says that is trying to say the former

Well maybe then people should say the former...

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To say "X sucks because its not pure trem" may be elitist, but I think more often someone who says that is trying to say the former
How can you mod improperly? Isnt the point of a mod to change the gameplay and or look and fell of the game?

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That they take players is fine, the problem is that they confuse players as to the nature of tremulous.
Well, on the topic of confusing players, I started out on a different server than X.... I tried X and started to get into it, and low and behold I liked it.
That was just MY opinion, not like it would ever happen.

And like everyone else has said, it's only popular because it exploits how the vanilla client lists the servers, and hardly anyone who starts playing there can play anywhere else, so they stay.

And at least ubp doesn't change everything, just there is unlimited build points for more crazy bases, and they don't pretend to be something they're not.
I personally don't find x to be all that fun. It's an ok distraction for a round or two, but it's got nothing on real trem gameplay.

Why are you so convinced that X can do no wrong?

 First of all, Ill say it again, I play on any server I choose I just prefer to use X... Simple as that.

Second, X doesnt claim to be vanilla trem... Obviously...

Third, I never said X can do no wrong, I dont agree with everything the owner/devs do, but coming on Trem.net and flaming them every time I get the chance is not going to do anything. I work with them to help make it better...

This is a dog eat dog industry.... The more inters\esting the game...The more players... After all, we must be doing something people like... The close community, the friendly rivalries, all show how successful we are. Im sure all of you have a favorite server, and If I went to the page where your admins posted their information and announced their server information etc... and attacked them the way you guys attacked Spec and the most recent person, Manbearpig, you would all be jumping at the opportunity to slash my jugular... As displayed in the 'go fuck yourself comment'

I have nothing against any of ya'll... We all want the same thing.. To keep Tremulous alive and kicking... Outlive its competition... BUT you must admit that it is servers like X that have kept trem alive.. Is it everyone's cup o' tea? Hell no... But it is here for those who use it... And at rankings of 1-4 we beat all of yours...

With the remark of 1.2... I have to say, are you kidding me? As many people as dislike that mess of a fail, you want the most popular server in Trem to use it....O wait, of course you do... As it would either kill us or boost 1.2's popularity... HAHA very funny guys..


On the video you posted slacker...Hilarious... But not characterized completely by X... Sure we have noobs...All servers have some noobs...But at least they have fun...

Thanks for pointing out the truth...You may not care for our changes BUT you know we are doing nothing wrong... Finally a person with common sense...KUDOS
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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2010, 06:32:33 am »

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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2010, 06:53:45 am »
How can you mod improperly? Isnt the point of a mod to change the gameplay and or look and fell of the game?
Oh yes, but there are some formalities expected as well. First, for a number of reasons, it should have a name: See:http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=3809.0. An explanation in-game (either in the motd or with !info or whatever) is also very useful.
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I'm sure all of you have a favorite server, and If I went to the page where your admins posted their information and announced their server information etc... and attacked them the way you guys attacked Spec and the most recent person, Manbearpig, you would all be jumping at the opportunity to slash my jugular... As displayed in the 'go fuck yourself comment'
Perhaps, though I'm unfamiliar with the x-server forums, but this is the tremulous forums, and I believe most of the hostile comments have been made in passing. "noobs from X server" (in various forms) I believe is a common saying around here. I always wonder if battlegranging is just a noob thing or if its widespread practice originates at that server.
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I have nothing against any of ya'll, we all want the same thing, to keep Tremulous alive and kicking... BUT you must admit that it is servers like X that have kept trem alive.. Is it everyone's cup o' tea? Hell no... But it is here for those who use it... And at rankings of 1-4 we beat all of yours...
Well, part of the point of the argument is to say that X is not really tremulous. I would say rather that AA, dretchstorm, and the 1.2 development servers have kept tremulous alive, among others (though I admit there is some irony in putting AA beside dretchstorm and 1.2).
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With the remark of 1.2... I have to say, are you kidding me? [Despite] many people [disliking] that mess of fail, you want the most popular server in Trem to use it....
Erm, If you are referring to X server, no. I want X server to simply comply with the formalities befitting a server of its position.
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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2010, 07:55:14 am »
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and I believe most of the hostile comments have been made in passing.
After all the logical things you have said... I call bullshit so to speak...http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=9996.0
http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=12769.0

Now here is how much people feel they must attack X...

As far as the explainations about competition, I typoed outlive into outliving, and as far as the dog eat dog industry... People pay for these servers... If they are unpopular the money is wasted... Makes sense doesnt it?



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Oh yes, but there are some formalities expected as well. First, for a number of reasons, it should have a name: See:http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=3809.0. An explanation in-game (either in the motd or with !info or whatever) is also very useful.
I think that is something with a good amount of sense to it... I have to admit that part..

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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2010, 02:26:17 pm »
After all, we must be doing something people like...

I have nothing against any of ya'll... We all want the same thing.. To keep Tremulous alive and kicking... Outlive its competition... BUT you must admit that it is servers like X that have kept trem alive.. Is it everyone's cup o' tea? Hell no... But it is here for those who use it... And at rankings of 1-4 we beat all of yours...

With the remark of 1.2... I have to say, are you kidding me? As many people as dislike that mess of a fail, you want the most popular server in Trem to use it....O wait, of course you do... As it would either kill us or boost 1.2's popularity... HAHA very funny guys..
Yes, newbies like clicking on the first server in list before resorting it. And then they are stuck on your server because they can't get a single kill on other servers. You may be different because you started out on other servers. But some only know X gameplay.

Bullshit about X keeping Trem alive. Newbies may go there and stay, but if I picked up trem and went there first, I'd quit in 10 minutes. There are 0 skills and 0 tactics what so ever required there. It's just people jumping around and shooting mostly randomly.

And about it being more popular: I challenge X to survive long term after removing the boxes from it's name. And 1.2 would kill X cuz it won't be on top of the list anymore, and with no new players, it will slowly die out. This has nothing to do with 1.2 killing X because of gameplay, as they can just mod it to exactly what it currently is.

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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2010, 03:22:02 pm »
If they are so damn popular why they wont remove boxes from name, so it's sorted normally?
And 1.2 would kill X cuz it won't be on top of the list anymore, and with no new players, it will slowly die out. This has nothing to do with 1.2 killing X because of gameplay, as they can just mod it to exactly what it currently is.
If I recall correctly, it's been stated that they don't plan to move to 1.2 anytime soon, "unfortunately".
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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2010, 03:29:17 pm »
And all that could've been avoided with a simple 1.1.1.

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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2010, 04:48:17 pm »
Why people here generally don't like X:

Users such as yourself.  NO OFFENSE, THOUGH.
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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2010, 05:06:46 pm »
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After all the logical things you have said... I call bullshit so to speak...http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=9996.0
http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=12769.0
I see no one decided to look at this and see the common theme...
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but if I picked up trem and went there first, I'd quit in 10 minutes.
Your opinion is biased.... You dont like it so you are not objective...

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If they are so damn popular why they wont remove boxes from name, so it's sorted normally?If they are so damn popular why they wont remove boxes from name, so it's sorted normally?
You guys are making me laugh.... I have seen X move up and down the list... Its not always on top, its sometimes WAY down on the list.... How many times do I have to say that... And I dont sort by PING...


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Users such as yourself.
Ok,that makes total sense... If someone doesnt like GPP, doesnt worship the ground Vanilla shits on, etc then you want them to stay on X... Ok thats fine... We will keep taking the people who YOU chase away and stay the most popular server in Trem... Your claims as to the only reason we are popular is server listings is bs, it shows your disdain for New players and your opinion that they are all stupid... The average gamer that is going to go out and search for open source games is going to find Trem but its gonna be this site, and this site pushes the idiotic 1.2... That aside, It is no wonder people leave your servers for ours, yes your gameplay may be more traditional Trem... BUT at least we dont put people down for being new.

New people are welcome at X, they should be welcome on your servers... But by the fact that they 'just click on the first server in the list' is the biggest load of shit...

We shall see someday how well I am treated when I venture out to your servers... I can almost say for certain you will not be decent and welcoming me.. Which will prove my whole point.




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« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2010, 05:21:58 pm »
We shall see someday how well I am treated when I venture out to your servers...

So... you have never been to a 1.2 server yet you claim that it sucks?
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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2010, 05:30:27 pm »
After all, we must be doing something people like...

I have nothing against any of ya'll... We all want the same thing.. To keep Tremulous alive and kicking... Outlive its competition... BUT you must admit that it is servers like X that have kept trem alive.. Is it everyone's cup o' tea? Hell no... But it is here for those who use it... And at rankings of 1-4 we beat all of yours...

With the remark of 1.2... I have to say, are you kidding me? As many people as dislike that mess of a fail, you want the most popular server in Trem to use it....O wait, of course you do... As it would either kill us or boost 1.2's popularity... HAHA very funny guys..
Yes, newbies like clicking on the first server in list before resorting it. And then they are stuck on your server because they can't get a single kill on other servers. You may be different because you started out on other servers. But some only know X gameplay.

Bullshit about X keeping Trem alive. Newbies may go there and stay, but if I picked up trem and went there first, I'd quit in 10 minutes. There are 0 skills and 0 tactics what so ever required there. It's just people jumping around and shooting mostly randomly.

And about it being more popular: I challenge X to survive long term after removing the boxes from it's name. And 1.2 would kill X cuz it won't be on top of the list anymore, and with no new players, it will slowly die out. This has nothing to do with 1.2 killing X because of gameplay, as they can just mod it to exactly what it currently is.

Tremulous does not have very much advertising so the majority of the players will hear about it from a friend who, in most cases, will suggest a server.  You were once a newbie your self, did you click the first server on the list?  I did not, I chose the forth from the top because it had more than 10 players and less than 30.  On my server list X is no where near the top, and never has been.

And all that could've been avoided with a simple 1.1.1.
Bingo.
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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2010, 05:54:27 pm »
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but if I picked up trem and went there first, I'd quit in 10 minutes.
Your opinion is biased.... You dont like it so you are not objective...
No, what I'm saying is that a player that looks for a challenging game, not a game where he can jump around like a monkey, would quit if he got the impression that whole Trem was like X. And that's the kind of players Trem needs more then the newbies who never talk, never read, and when they don't like the map, start deconning.
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If they are so damn popular why they wont remove boxes from name, so it's sorted normally?If they are so damn popular why they wont remove boxes from name, so it's sorted normally?
You guys are making me laugh.... I have seen X move up and down the list... Its not always on top, its sometimes WAY down on the list.... How many times do I have to say that... And I dont sort by PING...
The default client by default sorts the list BY NAME. And the boxes are sorted before letter A. So they appear at the top. Of course not everyone will choose the first server they see that has players, but more new players choose X then they otherwise would.
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Users such as yourself.
Ok,that makes total sense... If someone doesnt like GPP, doesnt worship the ground Vanilla shits on, etc then you want them to stay on X... Ok thats fine... We will keep taking the people who YOU chase away and stay the most popular server in Trem... Your claims as to the only reason we are popular is server listings is bs, it shows your disdain for New players and your opinion that they are all stupid... The average gamer that is going to go out and search for open source games is going to find Trem but its gonna be this site, and this site pushes the idiotic 1.2... That aside, It is no wonder people leave your servers for ours, yes your gameplay may be more traditional Trem... BUT at least we dont put people down for being new.

New people are welcome at X, they should be welcome on your servers... But by the fact that they 'just click on the first server in the list' is the biggest load of shit...

We shall see someday how well I am treated when I venture out to your servers... I can almost say for certain you will not be decent and welcoming me.. Which will prove my whole point.
Newbies are welcome almost anywhere, I don't think anyone here said they are not. Noone here said they think newbies are all stupid. We just don't like what X does to them. And calling 1.2 "idiotic" was the most hypocritical thing you could say right now IMO.

I have to agree with your face, people like you make X look even worse.
P.S. Also, why do so many of the 1.2 haters have a bunch of empty lines in their posts?

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Re: I am curious...
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2010, 05:57:32 pm »
Hello, I am an admin and developer on XserverX servers and I would like to weigh on this discussion.

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X got much of it's popularity from abusing the way the default client sorts the server list to get itself at/near the top.
It is not "abuse" but rather use of the sorting system to boost our placement above others. However, every other server has the ability to take advantage of the same method. In you server.cfg simply make your server name have a lot of 0s (zero) in front of it. I.e. add "set sv_hostname 0000000000^1SomeServer".

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Because it's not tremulous, and it's lying to players saying it is.
Au contraire. It IS Tremulous, just a radically different gameplay style. It seems you and your compatriots believe we ensnare players and make them think that our server is representative of Tremulous as a whole. However, we have never made such a claim, as it would be erroneous to do so. We have only instituted a method of gameplay that we enjoy and gone forward with it.

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Players coming off from the X server also often find it hard to kill anyone on a normal server, so they are forced to return to the X server.  A black hole effect if you will...
Let us look at this from another light. Players coming to other servers from never having played will find it near impossible to kill someone at first. The same issue occurs with X. So your argument that we make players worse is invalid. X just requires a different set of skills / strategies than do vanilla servers and while playing on X players gain experience for X, not normal servers.

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On the other hand, people from regular servers don't have much trouble going to X
No, they do not. I personally played vanilla first and often times play vanilla to keep sharp. Normal servers are great for boosting your ability to aim better and evade, strategies which X does not necessarily teach a player. However, that is not a "fault", but rather a difference.

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It further alienates the rest of the community by pretending to be something its not. All of its mod files are placed in the base folder, something which should be reserved for, you guessed it, the game's base files. This is both untidy and not particularly honest.
By mod files I assume you are referring to the 3 custom maps we have and the X server graphics mod. Because other than that, X utilizes no custom mods. And it is our decision to use that space. That does not make it untidy or dishonest. Rather, it makes it a bit more tidy. Because if you are looking for files from X, you know where to look. The base folder

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X has nothing in common with trem gameplay wise, but it acts like it's vanilla trem, that's the main reason people hate it.
False. We do not act like vanilla trem. If you ask any of our admins, we will be the first to say we are NOT vanilla trem.

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That is true, but it means you cannot have a separate set of binds for vanilla tremulous and X server, this is a problem for people who build their binds based on tactical combinations, or want "itemtoggle blaster" set to the right mouse button instead of "itemact medkit". I like autoexec.cfg thank you very much.
Sure you can. Just make a .cfg file such as "x.cfg", add your binds, and place it in your base folder, then when in game do "/exec x.cfg" and you will have custom binds to use on X.

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That they mod is fine, its that they mod *improperly*
No. We mod *differently*.

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most people will sort by ping so i dont really believe that adding box chars to get on top of list is valid
Thank you proving that you are unaware of what they are actually doing. They are not adding "box chars". Those sir are zeros. Anybody can use them. If you do not know where the 0 key is, it is to the right of the "9" key and left of the "-" key on the number line.

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Yes, newbies like clicking on the first server in list before resorting it. And then they are stuck on your server because they can't get a single kill on other servers. You may be different because you started out on other servers. But some only know X gameplay.
And we keep them bound to X with a ball and chain? They have as much difficulty getting kills on other servers as they would if they were new to trem in the first place. So we do not make them worse, but provide a server they enjoy. Is that not the point of a game? To provide entertainment to the masses.

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I challenge X to survive long term after removing the boxes from it's name
Again with the ignorance. They are not boxes, but zeros.

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Why people here generally don't like X:

Users such as yourself.  NO OFFENSE, THOUGH.
You aren't helping your cause there buddy. Just coming in and not contributing to the discussion at hand, but rather tossing an insult at another user certainly makes you seem like the image of a great user yourself.