avd good pounce is just a smuge too wide?

[Tremulant]

Of course you think you're right, you're incapable of thinking otherwise. So, pounce is simply overused now? But surely your original concern was the larger pounce width of the "avd good", you even made up a load of figures to back up your argument, iirc. its more then that, its that people are using pounce is becoming overused and on a normal goon that isn't a problem, but with the avd that wider hit in itself can keep even good dodgers in front of the goon, and in reasonable sized hallways, it cam become more of a problem.


If these players who overuse pounce are, in doing so, not playing a strong all-round goon, shouldn't this have a negative impact on their overall performance? people who use nothing but pounce tend to only attack a reasonably arm/armored person is when the area is to their advantage, IE tight hallways, small rooms, and places with lots of inward corners. and with the Avds wide area this helps to keep the person in front of them.

You have a tendency to adjust your original argument the moment someone picks it apart, just stop and let all of your threads die, please. im not a troll, I don't stick with crazy ideas and listen to nobody but myself, calling everybody wrong, i will admit when im wrong but not ignore any valid points i have made.
 

For fuck's sake, man! learn to quote properly, don't just insert your text into my bloody quotes...

You certainly appear to be a troll, if not a troll then a kid who really doesn't know when to stop, just shut up now and either learn to play trem or stop altogether, i'm fairly sure you're the only person around here who automatically blames the game for any difficulties they experience, rather than considering the possibility that they may simply play to a very poor standard, it's getting embarrassing. Please, spend more time playing and less complaining, you never know, you might improve.

[OhaiReapd]

Shut the fuck up and don't play this game anymore.

Fucking scared of advanced goons FUCK THEIR POUNCE TOO WIDE I LOVE TO DODGE BUT NOT WHEN ITS AN ADVANCED GOON U STUPID DEVS U STUPID PROS

Eat shit and live to taste it.

He can't tho, he keeps dying from the Advanced Goon pounce. WICH IZ UNFIAR MAN FXI IT NAO

[Lecavalier]

its more then that, its that people are using pounce is becoming overused and on a normal goon that isn't a problem, but with the avd that wider hit in itself

Are you kidding me?

I hope you realise that normal goon pounce and adv goon pounce have the exact same width.

i kinda doubt that, i haven't looked at the gpp updates within the past week, but i have my doubts from what i and many others have stated.

(EDIT)- yes it is, that still makes me wonder why i can dodge around a normal goon in a tight hallway but with the AVd i can't, well i still think im right when i say pounce is being overused, and backward dodge is almost always useless.

 people who use nothing but pounce tend to only attack a reasonably arm/armored person is when the area is to their advantage, IE tight hallways, small rooms, and places with lots of inward corners. and with the Avds wide area this helps to keep the person in front of them.

This statement is also incorrect.

im not a troll, I don't stick with crazy ideas and listen to nobody but myself

You seem to be sticking to the crazy idea that Adv. goon pounce is wider than the normal goon pounce. (it isn't)

Pounce width for both: 14u

[SirDude]

its more then that, its that people are using pounce is becoming overused and on a normal goon that isn't a problem, but with the avd that wider hit in itself

Are you kidding me?

I hope you realise that normal goon pounce and adv goon pounce have the exact same width.

i kinda doubt that, i haven't looked at the gpp updates within the past week, but i have my doubts from what i and many others have stated.

(EDIT)- yes it is, that still makes me wonder why i can dodge around a normal goon in a tight hallway but with the AVd i can't, well i still think im right when i say pounce is being overused, and backward dodge is almost always useless.

 people who use nothing but pounce tend to only attack a reasonably arm/armored person is when the area is to their advantage, IE tight hallways, small rooms, and places with lots of inward corners. and with the Avds wide area this helps to keep the person in front of them.

This statement is also incorrect.

im not a troll, I don't stick with crazy ideas and listen to nobody but myself

You seem to be sticking to the crazy idea that Adv. goon pounce is wider than the normal goon pounce. (it isn't)

Pounce width for both: 14u

I meant the avds goons hit box itself not the pounce hit box, sorry if i didn't clarify that a bit more.

[Lecavalier]

So now you're complaining about how big adv. goon hitbox is? 

[jez]

Great quote etiquette there.

And nice work with the consistent argument too.

[Pazuzu]

Just wondering... How can something like the pounce be "overused" if it's supposed to be used a lot? It's literally the thing that makes a goon a goon. Take it away and it's like a huge marauder that can't wallhop.

[SirDude]

im very sure that that the goon was not meant to use almost nothing but pounce, it has to many advantages over disadvantages as a primary attack, i can list a few "understandable" ones if you want..

[Pazuzu]

Of course it wasn't. Just like a marauder isn't supposed to bounce off walls like a rubber ball with sharp claws, and just like a dretch isn't supposed to walk on them. The dragoon has awesome pouncing range because the developers made it that way. But what I don't get is why you're complaining that the advanced goon is better at it than the standard one. That's because it's advanced. It costs one more evo, which makes it harder to get, and that keeps it at least somewhat balanced.
...So what's the problem again?

[Lecavalier]

Of course it wasn't. Just like a marauder isn't supposed to bounce off walls like a rubber ball with sharp claws, and just like a dretch isn't supposed to walk on them. The dragoon has awesome pouncing range because the developers made it that way. But what I don't get is why you're complaining that the advanced goon is better at it than the standard one. That's because it's advanced. It costs one more evo, which makes it harder to get, and that keeps it at least somewhat balanced.
...So what's the problem again?

Well, the problem was: Re: avd good pounce is just a smuge too wide?

with the avd goon's wider hit area, i have a 35% chance of dodging

...and then it was:

I meant the avds goons hit box itself not the pounce hit box

...and now it's:

im very sure that that the goon was not meant to use almost nothing but pounce

[OhaiReapd]

So? HE HAS A RIGHT TO CHANGE HIS MIND....

[SirDude]

...and now it's:

im very sure that that the goon was not meant to use almost nothing but pounce

don't take it out of context like that, i was just answering his question.

[A Spork]

ITT: SirDude thinks that using dodge should make him escape everything, and when he fails, its Trem's fault that he cant dance.

[Pazuzu]

I have a demo of myself taking down a goon from full hp with a mass driver- which I suck at. I just shot it today, in fact. Maybe I should show him how it's done?

[jm82792]

Please do.
I am terrible with the mass driver and want to see how it's done.
I prefer the shotgun, but need to diversify.

[superspirality]

Yeah, demo please.
I always miserably fail at driving the mass away.

[Dracone]

For those who didn't already know, you can dodge immediately after landing from a regular jump. I use it often and it works great since the stamina loss from jumping is now nothing compared to what it was in 1.1. Jumping in one direction and then dodging in the complete opposite is excellent.

You still have to time everything right since I'm pretty sure pings make it hard to judge if an incoming goon pounce will hit you or not.

[Pazuzu]

This is getting kind of off-topic, but here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PVM0w8mzCk&fmt=22
Honestly, I kind of sucked that time, but the point remains.

[SirDude]

yes this is getting off topic, but i have to say you really worked that area to your advantage, when that guy pounced, he got stuck on those corners in that hallway.

i have to say with that aim and if i was that goon, you would have been dead, that guy just missed to many openings.

and if i was in your role with that guy as the goon, i don't know, when i get the Md, i will ether rock with it, or i will fail, but i tend to rock with it after a match as i warm up.

[Anonymoose]

yes this is getting off topic, but i have to say you really worked that area to your advantage, when that guy pounced, he got stuck on those corners in that hallway.

i have to say with that aim and if i was that goon, you would have been dead, that guy just missed to many openings.

and if i was in your role with that guy as the goon, i don't know, when i get the Md, i will ether rock with it, or i will fail, but i tend to rock with it after a match as i warm up.

SirDude. you are correct.
this is going off topic a bit now.

Now, back onto the pressing matter...

do you fold or scrunch your toilet paper?
i personally use the scrunching method.

[Dracone]

This is getting kind of off-topic, but here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PVM0w8mzCk&fmt=22
Honestly, I kind of sucked that time, but the point remains.

That's one of the longest battles with a goon I've ever seen.

[c4]

This is getting kind of off-topic, but here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PVM0w8mzCk&fmt=22
Honestly, I kind of sucked that time, but the point remains.

That's one of the longest battles with a goon I've ever seen.

He missed a whole clips worth of md.  I mean, all that extra nuclear waste released into the environment...

[superspirality]

This is getting kind of off-topic, but here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PVM0w8mzCk&fmt=22
Honestly, I kind of sucked that time, but the point remains.

That's one of the longest battles with a goon I've ever seen.

He missed a whole clips worth of md.  I mean, all that extra nuclear waste released into the environment...

Penguins are crying.

[Pazuzu]

This is getting kind of off-topic, but here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PVM0w8mzCk&fmt=22
Honestly, I kind of sucked that time, but the point remains.

That's one of the longest battles with a goon I've ever seen.

He missed a whole clips worth of md.  I mean, all that extra nuclear waste released into the environment...

Penguins are crying.

Yeah, I'm evil like that.

[OhaiReapd]

This is getting kind of off-topic, but here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PVM0w8mzCk&fmt=22
Honestly, I kind of sucked that time, but the point remains.

That's one of the longest battles with a goon I've ever seen.

He missed a whole clips worth of md.  I mean, all that extra nuclear waste released into the environment...

Penguins are crying.

Yeah, I'm evil like that.

Don't be an asssshole.

[superspirality]

This is getting kind of off-topic, but here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PVM0w8mzCk&fmt=22
Honestly, I kind of sucked that time, but the point remains.

That's one of the longest battles with a goon I've ever seen.

He missed a whole clips worth of md.  I mean, all that extra nuclear waste released into the environment...

Penguins are crying.

Yeah, I'm evil like that.

Don't be an asssshole.

Stop using that wwword.