kick by Warrior. reason: cleanup of improper players

[bupnonqud]

hi.  i was just playing on the official US server and was kicked by Warrior for the reason: "cleanup of improper players".  what does that even mean??  i didn't do anything wrong, was only playing the game!!

i put a screenshot

[SlackerLinux]

condump? screenshot doesn't help at all in deciding if a kick is warranted or not

[bupnonqud]

well i didn't think to grab a condump..but you can look through the game log here (i'm {pubnonduq} on humans with over 1000 pts!!):

http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/us1/game_details.php?game_id=10692

for some reason it doesn't say where i was kicked (but i assure you it was at the very end of the game).. 
also, i didn't even notice during the game @ 00:39:31 warrior accused me of aimbotting? lol wow are there even aimbots for the gpp?

[Celestial_Rage]

From the log point of view, it does seem unwarranted. Although, that log does not tell very much.

[KillerWhale]

I don't even know who Warrior is.

Anyone have any idea who he is or why he has admin?

[SlackerLinux]

i got no clue who warrior is too

from the logs i see a lil complaining about ping a few tk's normal stuff that goes on in every game dont see any reason why he would kick you it seemed like he connected made the comment about your score and then kicked you in the next 3-4 mins(be nice if the log recorded the kicks/bans maybe reverts? etc)

to know if you were aimbotting or not requires a demo and afaik noone yet uses aimbots in GPP(and hopefully that continues) but w/out a demo i cant really say if you bot or not its only a kick so not too bad but invalid kicks shouldn't happen im sure someone will look into it for you and take any action needed

[bupnonqud]

yea i mean it caught me totally off guard...i was kicking all kinds of alien ass then like you said this dude pops in and goes, "hi all whasup with that 1048points megabotzor?" then like 3 mins later kicks me.  LOL
for the record, i did go back after 5 minutes or so and he was long gone...

so...admins need to have a demo for aimbot kickings?

[SlackerLinux]

so...admins need to have a demo for aimbot kickings?

actually im not sure if admins on GPP need that most servers do require for the admin to have proof if he needs to backup any bans but GPP server isnt like most servers(not saying its a bad thing just gets run different)

it would be hard to expect players to have a demo to backup their side not everyone runs with autodemo on

anyway if he kicked you that game 3 mins or so isn't really enough to make a good decision on a botter unless if the botter isn't trying to hide it back on 1.1 whenever i banned botters its always alot more then 3mins of watching to make sure he is actually botting  then there's getting that lil bit more on a demo so i can prove it if needed(and often real botters appealed and that demo helps keep them banned)

[Tremulant]

I've observed Warrior/An00bis aimbotting in the past, beyond that i don't know a lot about him.

[DeadMeat]

i was there, nobody (including me) noticed that wizard (linx) kicked bupnonqud. Then bupnonqud came back, wondering what happened, it was suspicious, so i saved a nice condump.

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Linx connected
[[egg] felt the full force of majorpain's lucifer cannon
Korloxa was clawed by Paradoxon's Marauder
[H] ({bupnonqud}): camp more, naked people
Insufficient funds
DSPro|scrape. should have gotten out of the way of
IABZ<3shiZznikxz..'s Tyrant
Linx renamed to Warrior
Warrior entered the game
[H] ({bupnonqud}): aliens are growing stronger
Paradoxon felt the full force of majorpain's lucifer cannon
[[egg] was caught in the fallout of majorpain's lucifer cannon
[H] (deadmeat): let them burn evos
[H] DSPro|scrape.: omg 24 ping lag
[H] DSPro|scrape.: =D
[H] (XKiller PureX): im not naked just mental
[H] deadmeat: OMG
[H] deadmeat: xD
Korloxa was mauled by sak777's Tyrant
XKiller PureX was mauled by sak777's Tyrant
sak777 felt the full force of majorpain's lucifer cannon
Mad Hatter was machinegunned by DSPro|scrape.
Paradoxon felt the full force of Net_Giant's lucifer cannon
Net_Giant irradiated himself
DSPro|scrape. should have gotten out of the way of
IABZ<3shiZznikxz..'s Tyrant
IABZ<3shiZznikxz.. felt the full force of majorpain's lucifer cannon
[[egg] was chaingunned by abcdefg
Mad Hatter was caught in the fallout of Net_Giant's lucifer cannon
You don't have the medkit
Paradoxon was caught in the fallout of majorpain's lucifer cannon
UnnamedPlayer was caught in the fallout of TEAMMATE majorpain's lucifer
cannon
[H] (deadmeat): mara+2 dead rant
[H] majorpain: sry
XKiller PureX was hunted down by the swarm
IABZ<3shiZznikxz.. felt the full force of majorpain's lucifer cannon
[[egg] was chaingunned by abcdefg
Mad Hatter was gunned down by DSPro|scrape.
[H] (DSPro|scrape.): aliens poor
[H] (deadmeat): outta evos
IABZ<3shiZznikxz.. was gunned down by DSPro|scrape.
[H] ({bupnonqud}): ok lets rush @ 40:00
[H] (XKiller PureX): i am just running around naked randomly with pain saw
UnnamedPlayer should have used a medkit against Paradoxon's poison
Paradoxon was gunned down by {bupnonqud}
JHC was machinegunned by UnnamedPlayer
UnnamedPlayer should have gotten out of the way of sak777's Tyrant
Korloxa was bitten by IABZ<3shiZznikxz..
[S] Warrior: hi all whasup with that 1048points megabotzor?
[H] (XKiller PureX): I WILLZ HAZ PAIN SAWZ READDYZ
[H] deadmeat: saw <3
[[egg] was caught in the fallout of majorpain's lucifer cannon
IABZ<3shiZznikxz.. was sawn by XKiller PureX
XKiller PureX felt the full force of TEAMMATE majorpain's lucifer cannon
[H] ({bupnonqud}): 40:00 we all rush front
[IMHO]REXambien7 was lasgunned by Net_Giant
deadmeat was bitten by Paradoxon
DSPro|scrape. was crushed under sak777's weight
[H] majorpain: sry
Paradoxon was lasgunned by Net_Giant
[H] XKiller PureX: ITS ARIGHT
[A] [IMHO]REXambien7: lol i stood there for a solid 10 secs
sak777 was gunned down by {bupnonqud}
[A] [IMHO]REXambien7: waiting to die
UnnamedPlayer should have used a medkit against JHC's poison
Insufficient funds
[H] ({bupnonqud}): suit up
[H] ({bupnonqud}): ready?
[[egg] was sawn by XKiller PureX
[H] ({bupnonqud}): rush!
[H] (deadmeat): GO
UnnamedPlayer should have used a medkit against Paradoxon's poison
{bupnonqud} was mauled by IABZ<3shiZznikxz..'s Tyrant
Paradoxon was mass driven by DSPro|scrape.
IABZ<3shiZznikxz.. was zapped by a tesla generator
Tesla Generator DESTROYED by majorpain
Mad Hatter was mass driven by DSPro|scrape.
[H] (deadmeat): fuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[[egg] felt the full force of Net_Giant's lucifer cannon
[H] majorpain: sry
JHC was caught in the fallout of Net_Giant's lucifer cannon
XKiller PureX was bitten by IABZ<3shiZznikxz..
[H] (XKiller PureX): I RUSHED
[H] (deadmeat): it was the rant
[H] (XKiller PureX): NO ONE WITH ME THOUGH
{bupnonqud} was bitten by IABZ<3shiZznikxz..
deadmeat should have gotten out of the way of sak777's Tyrant
majorpain was mauled by sak777's Tyrant
[H] (deadmeat): rant came in...
JHC was caught in the fallout of Net_Giant's lucifer cannon
sak777 was chaingunned by abcdefg
[H] {bupnonqud}: can't play with this PING
[H] (deadmeat): and +1 coming
GT-Anonymoose? connected
XKiller PureX was bitten by [[egg]
GT-Anonymoose? entered the game
Korloxa was bitten by [[egg]
[[egg] was machinegunned by {bupnonqud}
sak777 was chaingunned by abcdefg
Mad Hatter was mass driven by DSPro|scrape.
[A] Mad Hatter: We got snow
[H] {bupnonqud}: i'm shooting the aliens, but they dont die :)
deadmeat was bitten by IABZ<3shiZznikxz..
Paradoxon was mass driven by DSPro|scrape.
[H] XKiller PureX: EGG Y WONULD U LET ME CARVE MY RASTED DRETCH
[H] deadmeat: bloody ping
Must be living to use this command
[H] XKiller PureX: FOR THANKSGIVING
[H] XKiller PureX: HAAHHAHAHA
[IMHO]REXambien7 felt the full force of Net_Giant's lucifer cannon
IABZ<3shiZznikxz.. was caught in the fallout of Net_Giant's lucifer cannon
Paradoxon was caught in the fallout of Net_Giant's lucifer cannon
Mad Hatter was caught in the fallout of Net_Giant's lucifer cannon
sak777 was mass driven by DSPro|scrape.
[H] XKiller PureX: JK JK IM HYPER
Paradoxon was machinegunned by {bupnonqud}
DSPro|scrape. blew himself up
[H] deadmeat: awww
[IMHO]REXambien7 was caught in the fallout of Net_Giant's lucifer cannon
deadmeat was bitten by IABZ<3shiZznikxz..
Mad Hatter was machinegunned by {bupnonqud}
{bupnonqud} was bitten by IABZ<3shiZznikxz..
Net_Giant was melted by an acid tube
abcdefg was bitten by IABZ<3shiZznikxz..
deadmeat was chomped by [[egg]'s Dragoon
sak777 was caught in the fallout of majorpain's lucifer cannon
[IMHO]REXambien7 was lasgunned by {bupnonqud}
DSPro|scrape. was chomped by [[egg]'s Dragoon
Mad Hatter couldn't escape DSPro|scrape.'s grenade
moope couldn't escape DSPro|scrape.'s grenade
sak777 couldn't escape DSPro|scrape.'s grenade
[[egg] couldn't escape DSPro|scrape.'s grenade
Korloxa was bitten by Paradoxon
[H] DSPro|scrape.: Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!
[H] deadmeat: win
Paradoxon was caught in the fallout of Net_Giant's lucifer cannon
IABZ<3shiZznikxz.. was lasgunned by {bupnonqud}
[H] deadmeat: xD
Mad Hatter was lasgunned by {bupnonqud}
JHC felt the full force of Net_Giant's lucifer cannon
moope was machinegunned by deadmeat
[A] [[egg]: win?
{bupnonqud} was bitten by sak777
[A] [[egg]: lies
deadmeat was zapped by [IMHO]REXambien7's Marauder
[[egg] was chaingunned by abcdefg
Korloxa was pounced upon by sak777's Dragoon
[H] (DSPro|scrape.): OM down!
[H] (DSPro|scrape.): OM down!
Paradoxon disconnected
[A] IABZ<3shiZznikxz..: rofl stupid mara stayed in base while they were
attacking
[H] (DSPro|scrape.): hunt
[H] (deadmeat): radars upw
[A] Mad Hatter: go!
sak777 was machinegunned by Korloxa
[IMHO]REXambien7 was chaingunned by abcdefg
Humans win
{bupnonqud} has been kicked by Warrior. reason: cleanup of improper players
[A] sak777: LOL, 400+ score
[H] deadmeat: woooo
[A] IABZ<3shiZznikxz..: why would you try to attack
[A] moope: shit
majorpain disconnected
[A] sak777: with only kills and 1 telsa
[S] GT-Anonymoose?: what
 disconnected
Warrior disconnected
[A] moope: should have wait
[H] XKiller PureX: HAHAH MINE GLITCHED I STILL SEE MY P SAW
]/time
time: local time is 23:52:57
[A] sak777: score 0f 400+ with only kills and 1 telsa destroyed
[H] XKiller PureX: GG

[bupnonqud]

here's the game log of that too (it's a bit more easy to read then a condump):
http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/us1/game_log.php?game_id=10694
i came back in @ 00:11:50

anyway..since there seems to be a virtually unknown admin floating about making rash decisions based on unfounded accusations, maybe the higher-ups could reconsider his ability to administer the server effectively?

[Dracone]

coco clen it up the improper players.

[bupnonqud]

coco muvet base, sorry men

[A Spork]

What?

[ziplocpeople]

What?

Coco muvet base... Pretty self explanatory.
EDIT: To stay on topic, uh... Who the hell is Warrior?

[F50]

so...admins need to have a demo for aimbot kickings?

Admins need to have cl_autorecorddemo 1, so they have a demo for everything. Since there are no known aimbots for 1.2 one would also have to have pretty good evidence for it to justify a kick/ban.

Also this Warrior fellow happens to have no recognizable name, and a total game time of under 40 hours (although I'm not too much better myself in this phase).

http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/us1/player_details.php?player_id=3001

[Asvarox]

Isn't Warrior the guy, who made a HUD long, long time ago? I remember using it.

Also, I played few games with him on D*S and some euro servers, never seemed like a jerk to me.

[Dracone]

The Warrior who made a HUD is of the mindset that damn near everyone "good" hacks. I remember him telling me that basically everyone who was ever in clans like NT or AA was a hacker, and some of the clans he named were ones that I thought had pretty terrible individual skill in their ranks. In short, he's either a troll or really ignorant.

[theKidbullet]

So based on the facts,
1.No one knows who is really is?
2.f50 (A respected admin, doesn't agree with his practices)is confused about him
3.His tremstats indicate he's feeding with Dretch the majority of the game
4.Based on his random tremstats comments isn't too productive in team building, or administrating
5. HOW THE HELL DOES HE EVEN HAVE ADMINS?
Verdict:His admin should be removed
 

[Tremulant]

5. HOW THE HELL DOES HE EVEN HAVE ADMINS?

He's probably just one of many leftovers from GT and DSPro setlevel wankery a few months back.

[Warrior]

This is me actually.

Thanks for removing my admin.
At least I won't kick another aimbotter again.

...Just considering I can't kick higher level admins that bot every day...
...Trem is dead, until developers take action against aimbotters...

[mooseberry]

...Just considering I can't kick higher level admins that bot every day...

Ooh good a conspiracy theorist mentality!
Just a thought: just because someone is good does not mean they are aimbotting, and if nobody else seems to notice it, they probably aren't aimbotting.

[Anonymoose]

i was searching through 'warriors' brain and i stumbled on this:

IF (my level of shooting things skill) < (their level of shooting things skill)
THEN (aimbot conclusion)
ELSE (legit player)
END IF

i sense bigotry...

[Tremulant]

Ooooh, awesome, drama!

Hey Warrior, got some nice demos to back up that accusation? I imagine if these admins are botting every day then you'll have no problem catching them out and posting a video somewhere to prove it.

[Thorn]

Eh? Wasn't there some story a few years ago about this Warrior dying of cancer orso? or did I get roped into someones attention whoring?

[Lecavalier]

DSPro setlevel wankery

That never happened

[Tremulant]

DSPro setlevel wankery

That never happened

In the same way that GT never happened?

[superspirality]

DSPro setlevel wankery

That never happened

In the same way that GT never happened?

What the hell is that GT everyone talks about?

[Lecavalier]

DSPro setlevel wankery

That never happened

In the same way that GT never happened?

False accusations and needless arguements. Such is the life of a DSPro. I'm not even going to bother anymore with this thread.

[ziplocpeople]

5. HOW THE HELL DOES HE EVEN HAVE ADMINS?

He's probably just one of many leftovers from GT and DSPro setlevel wankery a few months back.

Shiz and TVR were the ones really overusing setlevel, at least from what I've seen (or at least, they started the whole thing)- There's bound to be others that did too, like the idiotic masses of a certain, massive group that escapes my memory, I do also recall a few of those folks handing out admin to their bff's, and I was quite annoyed by this tbh, especially since many of them may have been associated with me at that time. That aside, like you said he's just another leftover from the "admin for everyone!!1!" stage of trem US.

On one last note... What percentage of DDOS has admin? I believe quite a bit, my point isn't that any of you are bad admins, or even misused setlevel. Rather, friends tend promote friends: One bad promotion can lead to a mass of them, on the other hand if someone good and trustworthy gets admin it helps the server as a whole. When it comes down to it, when someone's promoted the person that promoted them puts their trust in them, and when occurrences such as this occur it's not only bad for the server, but in a way it's also betraying the original promoter's trust. There's no single person, or group for that matter that can fully take the blame for bad admins- When setlevel is given to all admins things like this are bound to happen (kudos to lava for fixing two problems, him having admin, and all admins having setlevel.)