Abuse by "DSPro|that guy"

[Anonymoose]

and well we kinda became friends as a result

so its solved then,
you can all grab a beer and have a nice D&M with 'that guy' and become mates
its better that way.

[Qrntz]

and well we kinda became friends as a result

so its solved then,
you can all grab a beer and have a nice D&M with 'that guy' and become mates
its better that way.

They're already mates I believe. Not sure about beer.
Why? You know, the whole *thing*.

[scrape]

There are many players with L4 who really do not deserve it, scrape, also known as 'DSPro| that guy', is a prime example.

Just why was he granted L3, let alone L4? He is the only DSPro member who I specifically did not grant L3.

Not to derail the thread but I need to reply.
I have never aliased, I am not *that guy*, Kharnov is *that guy* who recently joined us.

I have been an admin for a long time prior and have been an admin for now quite a time on us1.
TVR is a nice guy, however he goes on long discussions about game mechs with complete seriousness, and
in the past I have poked fun at him for it. I suspect he resents me for it. I have no
hard feelings against you TVR, ok only after a soapy shower

And wb TVR, haven't seen you in nearly a year, at least under that name.

(Just for the record, I rarely mute. Its something left to the players. I only act if there is a deconner,
glitch builder, or team killer, when I do, I always have a demo and condump from the moment i use any admin
commands)

[CorSair]

I see lots of disagreements in this.

Luckily Teapot compiled short story told. The End.
(And I fool read all... xP)

But for that trolling part, if we don't like it, we can /ignore it, right? No need to overreact so badly... Unless others get annoyed, maybe then. Maybe.

[Lecavalier]

Sometimes you have to throw teargas into the crowd.

[OhaiReapd]

FIGHT KHARNOV AND HIS MUTING WAYS.

[OhaiReapd]

Ok, so how is this impersonation? Or Harrassing?

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rename: GT-kharmov has been renamed to reapd by DSPro|that guy
GT-kharmov renamed to reapd
[S] DSPro|that guy: do not impersonate admins
restoring mouse acceleration to: 0.875000
previous mouse acceleration: 0.875000
[A] reapd: IM KHARMOV
[OPP]Pinky&TehBrain was bitten by Hello Kitty <3
Hello Kitty <3 was machinegunned by [Derelict]Borsio
restoring mouse acceleration to: 0.875000
[S] DSPro|that guy: do not harass admins
DSPro|Alaxa27- was bitten by Hello Kitty <3
previous mouse acceleration: 0.875000
mute: reapd has been muted by DSPro|that guy

[Lecavalier]

This is just you trolling.

[SlackerLinux]

Kharnov is a admin and you renamed to his name some people might let this go but any admin can rename you for that then you follow up with "IM KHARMOV" im sure there would be more harassment to follow you were clearly trying to troll him and cause trouble so he muted you

come back when you got real abuse

[OhaiReapd]

So I can't rename to Kharmov? What's wrong with my name being Kharmov? He isn't Kharmov, he's kharnov.

[Lecavalier]

So I can't rename to Kharmov? What's wrong with my name being Kharmov? He isn't Kharmov, he's kharnov.

[kharnov]

Oh look. It's one of those threads again.

[ziplocpeople]

So I can't rename to Kharmov? What's wrong with my name being Kharmov? He isn't Kharmov, he's kharnov.

I wish I could give you a turret so badly right now.
Seriously Reapd? Seriously?
Away with thee, foul creature.

[ziplocpeople]

Sometimes you have to throw teargas into the crowd.

If there's a crowd of Reapds, I'd want some mustard gas.

[F50]

Ok, so how is this impersonation? Or Harrassing?

Admins are *not* robots. Calling yourself GT-kharmov, is not literal string equivalent to GT-kharnov, no. However you did choose the string easiest to mistake for that, however. Its a pity tremstats doesn't show your name at the time. However, you can see it clearly enough in the alias list and in your "1M KHARMOV" statement. http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/us1/player_details.php?player_id=13733

Breaking server rules while doing this isn't recommended either

http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/us1/game_log.php?game_id=2699

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0:19:54 nn|Granite if that guy
00:19:55 Sir|Pup Tentacle dc down
00:19:57 DSPro|that guy built Trapper
00:19:57 nn|Granite is ignoring me
00:19:59 Sir|Pup Tentacle zap nodes
00:20:03 nn|Granite fag fag fag

You're willfully bringing a false and tortious abuse claim here. IMO, we should hand out bans for stuff like this. Which is more disruptive, a decon, or yet another troll thread like this? Hrm, what do the server rules have to say about this?

2. No Excessive Punishments
   Do not kick for spamming when a mute will suffice. Do not ban for harassment when a kick will suffice

I just don't think muting, is sufficient here. I'll try kicking certain people for this kind of shit and see if that helps.

Also while I'm quoting rules, I may as well mention these:

2. No Harassment
   No badgering people, no endless complaining, no acting like a baby.

WHAT TO DO IF YOU WERE KICKED/MUTED/DENYBUILD

If it has happened many times, record and condump the specific instances and follow the steps to resolve bannings.

If this is the first time, suck it up.  We're not the girl scouts.

[ziplocpeople]

Ok, so how is this impersonation? Or Harrassing?

Admins are *not* robots. Calling yourself GT-kharmov, is not literal string equivalent to GT-kharnov, no. However you did choose the string easiest to mistake for that, however. Its a pity tremstats doesn't show your name at the time. However, you can see it clearly enough in the alias list and in your "1M KHARMOV" statement. http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/us1/player_details.php?player_id=13733

Breaking server rules while doing this isn't recommended either

http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/us1/game_log.php?game_id=2699

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0:19:54 nn|Granite if that guy
00:19:55 Sir|Pup Tentacle dc down
00:19:57 DSPro|that guy built Trapper
00:19:57 nn|Granite is ignoring me
00:19:59 Sir|Pup Tentacle zap nodes
00:20:03 nn|Granite fag fag fag

You're willfully bringing a false and tortious abuse claim here. IMO, we should hand out bans for stuff like this. Which is more disruptive, a decon, or yet another troll thread like this? Hrm, what do the server rules have to say about this?

2. No Excessive Punishments
   Do not kick for spamming when a mute will suffice. Do not ban for harassment when a kick will suffice

I just don't think muting, is sufficient here. I'll try kicking certain people for this kind of shit and see if that helps.

Also while I'm quoting rules, I may as well mention these:

2. No Harassment
   No badgering people, no endless complaining, no acting like a baby.

WHAT TO DO IF YOU WERE KICKED/MUTED/DENYBUILD

If it has happened many times, record and condump the specific instances and follow the steps to resolve bannings.

If this is the first time, suck it up.  We're not the girl scouts.

Nice one. Everything (and more) I would've said if I wasn't so lazy.

[KillerWhale]

Reapd, we're not seven.

We're not going to buy some bullshit that you weren't intending to:
a) Piss off that guy.
b) Impersonate kharnov.
c) Bring up frivolous claims of abuse.

You did what you did intentionally and you really deserve whatever you get for it.

[WoGoMo]

Whats up with people making such a big deal about kharnov these days? Its like everybody is putting him under a microscope and trying to scrutinize every little action (or reaction) that he makes.

[Anonymoose]

Whats up with people making such a big deal about kharnov these days? Its like everybody is putting him under a microscope and trying to scrutinize every little action (or reaction) that he makes.

Hang on, what?
who is kharnov?
and who is that guy?

[Ingar]

So I can't rename to Kharmov? What's wrong with my name being Kharmov? He isn't Kharmov, he's kharnov.

Reminds me of this children's joke:
"What's the ultimate courage" "Pissing on a policeman and ask him if it is warm"

[OhaiReapd]

Ok, ok, ok. I know where I'm going. I'm done. No more trolling. Sorry. I just get caught up with Sir| and all that. Sorry.

[Pazuzu]

Ok, ok, ok. I know where I'm going. I'm done. No more trolling. Sorry. I just get caught up with Sir| and all that. Sorry.

Maybe I shouldn't be talking, but that sounds like a good case for banning anyone with Sir in their name on sight.
And +1 for Lecav and F50.

[Dracone]

Lol what is this? Who cares?

If someone wants to make a case for abuse actually being so serious, just leave the game because of it. Don't come posting here. Everyone will notice people quitting the game after being abused if the abuse, from whatever or however many abusers, is bad enough to cause people to leave the game in large numbers.

If you get "abused" and come post here, you're likely into the game enough to not be bothered by abuse to the point that you quit. The official US server is just another server, even if its a development contributor. Most of the "abuse" is nothing but fags being pissed about being muted/kicked/banned for being idiots.

And finally, save the above for when the game's actually alive, because even if people DO quit, for ANY reason, who gives a shit? There's not enough people playing this game anymore for people leaving to really matter, especially since there's clearly no effective advertising plan underway.

Take your abuse cries to someone who really cares and privately discuss it with them (i.e. suck their dick). Admins will do whatever the hell they want wherever they can and you getting mad doesn't matter because there are hardly any people ignorant enough to give a fuck.

[swamp-cecil]

Lol what is this? Who cares?

If someone wants to make a case for abuse actually being so serious, just leave the game because of it. Don't come posting here. Everyone will notice people quitting the game after being abused if the abuse, from whatever or however many abusers, is bad enough to cause people to leave the game in large numbers.

If you get "abused" and come post here, you're likely into the game enough to not be bothered by abuse to the point that you quit. The official US server is just another server, even if its a development contributor. Most of the "abuse" is nothing but fags being pissed about being muted/kicked/banned for being idiots.

And finally, save the above for when the game's actually alive, because even if people DO quit, for ANY reason, who gives a shit? There's not enough people playing this game anymore for people leaving to really matter, especially since there's clearly no effective advertising plan underway.

Take your abuse cries to someone who really cares and privately discuss it with them (i.e. suck their dick). Admins will do whatever the hell they want wherever they can and you getting mad doesn't matter because there are hardly any people ignorant enough to give a fuck.

This

[Asvarox]

Lol what is this? Who cares?

If someone wants to make a case for abuse actually being so serious, just leave the game because of it. Don't come posting here. Everyone will notice people quitting the game after being abused if the abuse, from whatever or however many abusers, is bad enough to cause people to leave the game in large numbers.

If you get "abused" and come post here, you're likely into the game enough to not be bothered by abuse to the point that you quit. The official US server is just another server, even if its a development contributor. Most of the "abuse" is nothing but fags being pissed about being muted/kicked/banned for being idiots.

And finally, save the above for when the game's actually alive, because even if people DO quit, for ANY reason, who gives a shit? There's not enough people playing this game anymore for people leaving to really matter, especially since there's clearly no effective advertising plan underway.

Take your abuse cries to someone who really cares and privately discuss it with them (i.e. suck their dick). Admins will do whatever the hell they want wherever they can and you getting mad doesn't matter because there are hardly any people ignorant enough to give a fuck.

From all of these I can fully agree only with the last sentence of the third paragraph. This whole thread is really great example, but generally...

No, I'm not going to quit such awesome game and such awesome server with such awesome people playing there just because of one jerk that has an admin, if there's anyway to stop him. If some lvl3/4 happen to start kicking people at random, muting them or exploit his admin in whatever way, I'd go and try solve the issue rather than quiting the game because of him.

If there's a group of people in a room all having fun and all of the sudden one of them starts being an ass to others, should they just go to another room? No, they should kick the guy in the ass out of the place.

Finally even if I might "not be bothered by abuse to the point that you quit.", there will be people that could quit because of the abuse. These people are mostly new players and for sake of the game I'm going to make servers ops delevel the abuse so they can play in peace, instead of quit the game and never come back. And since newbies are most likely to join Official Servers, any kind of abuse should be dealt with additional rigor.

[jm82792]

The admin in question learned not the feed to trolls, the players in question learned not to troll the admins.
Next map everyone was unmuted and played hapily ever after.

Sometimes I wish I had /muteall.

A+++

[ziplocpeople]

From all of these I can fully agree only with the last sentence of the third paragraph. This whole thread is really great example, but generally...

No, I'm not going to quit such awesome game and such awesome server with such awesome people playing there just because of one jerk that has an admin, if there's anyway to stop him. If some lvl3/4 happen to start kicking people at random, muting them or exploit his admin in whatever way, I'd go and try solve the issue rather than quiting the game because of him.

If there's a group of people in a room all having fun and all of the sudden one of them starts being an ass to others, should they just go to another room? No, they should kick the guy in the ass out of the place.

Finally even if I might "not be bothered by abuse to the point that you quit.", there will be people that could quit because of the abuse. These people are mostly new players and for sake of the game I'm going to make servers ops delevel the abuse so they can play in peace, instead of quit the game and never come back. And since newbies are most likely to join Official Servers, any kind of abuse should be dealt with additional rigor.

As much as I love you, Asva- I don't understand the point of your post. Several reasons for this:
A) While someone might of been a little trigger happy, they weren't what I'd call abusive.
B) These weren't newbies, they have well established careers in the field of spam.
C) Well, I don't really have a third reason, it just feels wrong to leave without making a "C"

[jm82792]

I like no tolerance or one warning and your kicked off or banned for a day or longer.....

[Anonymoose]

From all of these I can fully agree only with the last sentence of the third paragraph. This whole thread is really great example, but generally...

No, I'm not going to quit such awesome game and such awesome server with such awesome people playing there just because of one jerk that has an admin, if there's anyway to stop him. If some lvl3/4 happen to start kicking people at random, muting them or exploit his admin in whatever way, I'd go and try solve the issue rather than quiting the game because of him.

If there's a group of people in a room all having fun and all of the sudden one of them starts being an ass to others, should they just go to another room? No, they should kick the guy in the ass out of the place.

Finally even if I might "not be bothered by abuse to the point that you quit.", there will be people that could quit because of the abuse. These people are mostly new players and for sake of the game I'm going to make servers ops delevel the abuse so they can play in peace, instead of quit the game and never come back. And since newbies are most likely to join Official Servers, any kind of abuse should be dealt with additional rigor.

This.

Now so you know where i stand:
Unlike some people, im not here to suck admin dick, so i am going to say exactly what i think about this, don't like it? don't read it.

Now with this new 1.2 release that is going to be so awesome and official and bring in more active players etc. To have sloppy guidelines for admins and a very "oh admins can do what the fuck they like" attitude is just going to kill any hopes of developing this community. so @ certain admins; stop being bigots and start being a proper admin, this involves putting your personal wants aside. Be an admin for ALL players, not just yourself or people you like.

Everyone is capable of using the /ignore function, therefore if someone is spamming or talks to much or you just don't like what someone is saying, USE IT! Let the PLAYERS decide if said person deserves a mute. Also i don't give a fuck if an 'admin' muted someone, if players want to un-mute them and its going to pass, canceling it IS abuse as obviously the majority want them un-muted.

You may be an 'admin' but its not up to you to make decisions for everyone else.

I might just add; i don't want a change in admins, i want a change in the attitudes of certain admins.

[Spider.]

Anonymoose +1