Abusing spectator (/team s)

[Lava_Croft]

It seems that lately people have found out that you can abuse /team s in order to become a builder without dying, or escaping a Basilisk grab. Last instance was Sir|WoGoMo, and he seems to think this behaviour is perfectly acceptable. Would any administrator(s) care to chip in and enlighten me on the status of such behaviour?

[WoGoMo]

I would agree with you that it was cheating if there has EVER been any guideline about it. But I've done it lots of times and never has an admin ever warned me about it. There's been lots of admins on when I /team s and rejoin to spawn as a granger. What difference does it make anyway? I could just as well go die at a ret for all I care. Same outcome. Not like I am going to gain points by going to spec.

Until someone clarifies this, then I wouldnt consider your words worth anything. If it is considered cheating then fine, I will not do this again. But if it is not considered cheating then, I will continue doing this as I please.

In any case, I suppose you think that using another clan's tag is also acceptable behavior. You were using the name "Sir|riS" at the time and you are not in Sir clan. Condump follows:

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work connected
Bercik[PL][[Official] entered the game
camper's insurance entered the game
Sir|Anonymoose entered the game
Merry Christmas entered the game
sasaki koasahiaki entered the game
inglarg entered the game
work entered the game
Sir|WoGoMo entered the game
UnnamedPlayer entered the game
Bercik[PL][[Official] joined the aliens
work joined the humans
Sir|riS entered the game
Sir|riS joined the humans
UnnamedPlayer joined the aliens
Si_mononoke entered the game
monaio entered the game
work was bitten by Bercik[PL][[Official]
Bercik[PL][[Official] was gunned down by a turret
Bercik[PL][[Official] was machinegunned by Sir|riS
Bercik[PL][[Official] was machinegunned by Sir|riS
sasaki koasahiaki joined the aliens
Sir|riS was bitten by Bercik[PL][[Official]
Bercik[PL][[Official] was lasgunned by Sir|riS
Bercik[PL][[Official] was lasgunned by Sir|riS
Merry Christmas joined the humans
UnnamedPlayer was blasted by work
work was bitten by sasaki koasahiaki
work was bitten by UnnamedPlayer
monaio joined the humans
UnnamedPlayer was machinegunned by monaio
sasaki koasahiaki was lasgunned by Sir|riS
Bercik[PL][[Official] was machinegunned by Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas was bitten by UnnamedPlayer
work was lasgunned by TEAMMATE Sir|riS
sasaki koasahiaki was lasgunned by Sir|riS
Sir|riS was machinegunned by TEAMMATE monaio
work disconnected
[H] Sir|riS: ...
[H] Sir|riS: blind?
UnnamedPlayer was machinegunned by monaio
sasaki koasahiaki was machinegunned by Merry Christmas
[H] Sir|riS: lol
Merry Christmas was bitten by UnnamedPlayer
[H] Sir|riS: work decons reactor
[H] Sir|riS: then disconnects
sasaki koasahiaki was machinegunned by monaio
monaio was bitten by UnnamedPlayer
UnnamedPlayer was gunned down by a turret
Merry Christmas was bitten by sasaki koasahiaki
Nuwanda connected
sasaki koasahiaki was machinegunned by Merry Christmas
Bercik[PL][[Official] was machinegunned by Merry Christmas
Nuwanda entered the game
UnnamedPlayer was gunned down by a turret
Bercik[PL][[Official] was machinegunned by Merry Christmas
[S] Nuwanda: hi
Nuwanda joined the aliens
work connected
sasaki koasahiaki was lasgunned by Sir|riS
UnnamedPlayer was machinegunned by Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas was bitten by Bercik[PL][[Official]
sasaki koasahiaki was lasgunned by Sir|riS
work entered the game
work joined the humans
Sir|riS was bitten by Bercik[PL][[Official]
Bercik[PL][[Official] couldn't escape Sir|riS's grenade
sasaki koasahiaki was mass driven by Merry Christmas
sasaki koasahiaki was mass driven by Merry Christmas
Sir|riS was melted by an acid tube
sasaki koasahiaki was grilled by Sir|riS's flamer
Bercik[PL][[Official] was sawn by Sir|riS
Merry Christmas was zapped by UnnamedPlayer's Marauder
Bercik[PL][[Official] was sawn by Sir|riS
sasaki koasahiaki was mass driven by monaio
Sir|riS was melted by an acid tube
sasaki koasahiaki was mass driven by monaio
UnnamedPlayer was sawn by Sir|riS
sasaki koasahiaki was mass driven by monaio
(f4) Go Alien (f5) Go Human (f6) Talk Binds (f7) Name Binds
(f4) Alien Classes (f5) Alien Builds
Sir|WoGoMo joined the aliens
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
sasaki koasahiaki was sawn by Sir|riS
Sir|riS got too close to the overmind
sasaki koasahiaki was mass driven by Merry Christmas
sasaki koasahiaki called a vote: Set the next map to 'atcshd'
[A] (Bercik[PL][[Official]) (Red Base): om
Overmind built by Nuwanda
Nuwanda was clawed by TEAMMATE UnnamedPlayer's Marauder
Sir|riS was clawed by UnnamedPlayer's Marauder
Nuwanda couldn't escape Sir|riS's grenade
sasaki koasahiaki couldn't escape Sir|riS's grenade
Overmind built by Nuwanda
Overmind DESTROYED by Nuwanda
Vote failed (1 - 2)
Sir|WoGoMo left the aliens
(f4) Go Alien (f5) Go Human (f6) Talk Binds (f7) Name Binds
(f4) Alien Classes (f5) Alien Builds
Sir|WoGoMo joined the aliens
(1) Overmind (2) Egg (3) Acid Tube (4) Baricade (5) Trapper (6) Booster (7)
Hive
[H] Sir|riS: dont use spec
sasaki koasahiaki was mass driven by monaio
[H] Sir|riS: to go builder
There is no room to build here
[H] Sir|riS: thats bannable offense
Overmind built by Sir|WoGoMo
sasaki koasahiaki was mass driven by Merry Christmas
[H] Sir|riS: sir wogolamer
Nuwanda was mass driven by Merry Christmas
[A] (Sir|WoGoMo) (Red Base): om building... defend
sasaki koasahiaki was mass driven by Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas was clawed by UnnamedPlayer's Marauder
work was clawed by UnnamedPlayer's Marauder
Trapper built by Nuwanda
The Overmind cannot control any more structures
Sir|riS was clawed by UnnamedPlayer's Marauder
The Overmind cannot control any more structures
[A] (Bercik[PL][[Official]) (Red Base): 1k
sasaki koasahiaki was mass driven by monaio
Egg built by Sir|WoGoMo
Trapper built by Nuwanda, replacing Egg
[A] (Bercik[PL][[Official]) (Red Side Entrance): trappers
sasaki koasahiaki felt the full force of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
UnnamedPlayer felt the full force of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
sasaki koasahiaki was caught in the fallout of Merry Christmas's lucifer
cannon
sasaki koasahiaki was caught in the fallout of Merry Christmas's lucifer
cannon
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
{FSW}Paul. connected
This location is too close to the enemy to evolve
work was chomped by Bercik[PL][[Official]'s Dragoon
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
Egg built by Nuwanda, replacing Acid Tube
UnnamedPlayer felt the full force of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
sasaki koasahiaki was caught in the fallout of Merry Christmas's lucifer
cannon
Sir|WoGoMo was caught in the fallout of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
Sir|WoGoMo was caught in the fallout of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
sasaki koasahiaki was caught in the fallout of Merry Christmas's lucifer
cannon
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
UnnamedPlayer felt the full force of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
Trapper built by Nuwanda, replacing Acid Tube
Merry Christmas should have used a medkit against Sir|WoGoMo's poison
{FSW}Paul. entered the game
sasaki koasahiaki was mass driven by monaio
work should have gotten out of the way of UnnamedPlayer's Tyrant
Sir|riS was mauled by Bercik[PL][[Official]'s Tyrant
monaio should have gotten out of the way of UnnamedPlayer's Tyrant
Spider.  connected
[H] Sir|riS: campers/cheaters s3
Merry Christmas should have used a medkit against sasaki koasahiaki's poison
Trapper built by Nuwanda
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
[A] (Bercik[PL][[Official]) (Red Base): hives
sasaki koasahiaki was chaingunned by monaio
Sir|riS was mauled by UnnamedPlayer's Tyrant
{FSW}Paul. disconnected
Sir|riS was mauled by UnnamedPlayer's Tyrant
Spider.  entered the game
monaio was mauled by Bercik[PL][[Official]'s Tyrant
sasaki koasahiaki was machinegunned by Sir|riS
Spider.  joined the humans
Hive built by Nuwanda, replacing Barricade
sasaki koasahiaki was caught in the fallout of Merry Christmas's lucifer
cannon
Sir|riS was mauled by UnnamedPlayer's Tyrant
Bercik[PL][[Official] felt the full force of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
Merry Christmas should have used a medkit against UnnamedPlayer's poison
work was mauled by sasaki koasahiaki's Tyrant
Sir|WoGoMo was machinegunned by Sir|riS
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
Sir|riS was hunted down by the swarm
Net_Giant connected
Spider.  was mauled by Bercik[PL][[Official]'s Tyrant
Henzo! connected
Sir|WoGoMo felt the full force of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
Henzo! entered the game
Net_Giant entered the game
Sir|WoGoMo felt the full force of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
Net_Giant joined the humans
Bercik[PL][[Official] was lasgunned by Sir|riS
Bercik[PL][[Official] was machinegunned by Spider.
Hive built by Nuwanda, replacing Trapper
monaio was mauled by UnnamedPlayer's Tyrant
 disconnected
Sir|WoGoMo was lasgunned by Sir|riS
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
You cannot spawn as a Marauder
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
Bercik[PL][[Official] was machinegunned by Spider.
Egg built by Nuwanda, replacing Trapper
Bercik[PL][[Official] was machinegunned by Net_Giant
Henzo! disconnected
Sir|WoGoMo was machinegunned by Net_Giant
Net_Giant was hunted down by the swarm
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
Hive built by Nuwanda, replacing Egg
monaio was mauled by sasaki koasahiaki's Tyrant
sasaki koasahiaki felt the full force of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
Sir|WoGoMo felt the full force of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
(1) Overmind (2) Egg (3) Acid Tube (4) Baricade (5) Trapper (6) Booster (7)
Hive
Must be living to use this command
Bercik[PL][[Official] felt the full force of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
Bercik[PL][[Official] felt the full force of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
Sir|WoGoMo was chaingunned by Sir|riS
(1) Overmind (2) Egg (3) Acid Tube (4) Baricade (5) Trapper (6) Booster (7)
Hive
Must be living to use this command
Trapper built by Nuwanda, replacing Trapper
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
Bercik[PL][[Official] was chaingunned by Sir|riS
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
Sir|riS should have used a medkit against Sir|WoGoMo's poison
Bercik[PL][[Official] was machinegunned by monaio
Bercik[PL][[Official] was machinegunned by monaio
Bercik[PL][[Official] felt the full force of Sir|riS's lucifer cannon
Merry Christmas was hunted down by the swarm
monaio felt the full force of TEAMMATE Sir|riS's lucifer cannon
Sir|riS irradiated himself
Bercik[PL][[Official] was caught in the fallout of Sir|riS's lucifer cannon
Egg built by Nuwanda
Spider.  should have used a medkit against Sir|WoGoMo's poison
Sir|riS was hunted down by the swarm
Nuwanda felt the full force of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
Egg built by Nuwanda, replacing Trapper
[H] Sir|riS: even cheating cant make losers like wogomo win
[A] (Nuwanda) (Red Base): BASE/INCOMING!!!
Merry Christmas was hunted down by the swarm
Bercik[PL][[Official] was caught in the fallout of monaio's lucifer cannon
monaio was bitten by Sir|WoGoMo
Sir|riS was hunted down by the swarm
Sir|WoGoMo was sawn by Spider.
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
(1) Granger (2) Drech (3) Basilisk (4) Marauder (5) Dragoon (6) Tyrant
sasaki koasahiaki was sawn by Spider.
Spider.  was pounced upon by Nuwanda's Dragoon
Bercik[PL][[Official] was machinegunned by Net_Giant
Nuwanda felt the full force of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
sasaki koasahiaki was caught in the fallout of Merry Christmas's lucifer
cannon
Sir|WoGoMo was caught in the fallout of Merry Christmas's lucifer cannon
sasaki koasahiaki disconnected
Humans win
Bercik[PL][Official] disconnected
[H] Sir|riS: gg cheaters
]who?
[A] Sir|WoGoMo: who?
[H] Sir|riS: you
]wat???
[H] Sir|riS: going spec to get builder
[A] Sir|WoGoMo: wat???
[H] Sir|riS: aka fail
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Sir|Anonymoose entered the game
camper's insurance entered the game
Merry Christmas entered the game
inglarg entered the game
Sir|WoGoMo entered the game
Nuwanda entered the game
Net_Giant entered the game
Sir|riS entered the game
Si_mononoke entered the game
Nuwanda joined the humans
monaio entered the game
]/m anonymoose who the fuck is sir|ris?
Private message: who the fuck is sir|ris?
sent to 1 player
Merry Christmas joined the aliens
Spider.  entered the game
Nuwanda was bitten by Merry Christmas
[S] Sir|WoGoMo: if i cheated u wldnt stand a chance
YOMAN connected
Nuwanda was bitten by Merry Christmas
YOMAN entered the game
YOMAN joined the aliens
Spider.  disconnected
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Aelita connected
Merry Christmas was gunned down by a turret
Aelita entered the game
Aelita joined the humans
YOMAN was machinegunned by Aelita
 monaio disconnected
[S] Sir|riS: going spec in order to get builder is lame
[S] Sir|riS: in other words, its cheating
Nuwanda was bitten by Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas was gunned down by a turret
]huh?
[S] Sir|WoGoMo: huh?
]no its not
[S] Sir|WoGoMo: no its not
[S] Sir|riS: yes it is
]nothing wrong with it
[S] Sir|WoGoMo: nothing wrong with it
work timed out
[S] Sir|riS: lol
[S] Sir|riS: there is a lot wrong with it
Aelita was pounced upon by Merry Christmas's Dragoon
YOMAN was machinegunned by Aelita
]well it would be really stupid to just let humans destroy your base
Nuwanda was pounced upon by Merry Christmas's Dragoon
[S] Sir|WoGoMo: well it would be really stupid to just let humans destroy
your base
Net_Giant disconnected
YOMAN was gunned down by a turret
Nuwanda was bitten by YOMAN
[S] Sir|riS: no
]anyway u're a troll. nothing more
[S] Sir|WoGoMo: anyway u're a troll. nothing more
[S] Sir|riS: thats how it works
Nuwanda was pounced upon by Merry Christmas's Dragoon
[S] Sir|riS: abusing spectator to get a builder is cheating
Aelita was pounced upon by Merry Christmas's Dragoon
]and you're not even in sir
[S] Sir|WoGoMo: and you're not even in sir
]so stfu
[S] Sir|WoGoMo: so stfu[S] Sir|riS: just like going spectator when a basilisk grabs you
]and remove the tag
[S] Sir|WoGoMo: and remove the tag
[A] YOMAN: what is builder :D
[S] Sir|riS: and this is not your clantaqg
[S] Sir|riS: its Sirris
[S] Sir|riS: tard
]Sir| is my clan tag
[S] Sir|WoGoMo: Sir| is my clan tag
]and u are using it
[S] Sir|WoGoMo: and u are using it
[S] Sir|riS: i dont give a shit, you just a cheater clan
SX yoo-Ooo connected
[S] Sir|riS: anyhow, ill get this sorted
YOMAN was machinegunned by Nuwanda
SX yoo-Ooo entered the game
]\r_fullscreen 1
SX yoo-Ooo joined the aliens
YOMAN was gunned down by a turret
]boo hoo im so sad. anyway troll. u need to learn how to behave.
[S] Sir|WoGoMo: boo hoo im so sad. anyway troll. u need to learn how to
behave.
SX yoo-Ooo was gunned down by Aelita
SX yoo-Ooo was gunned down by Nuwanda
[S] Sir|riS: says the one abusing spectator to get a builder
SX yoo-Ooo was gunned down by Nuwanda
[S] Sir|riS: really now
YOMAN was gunned down by Aelita
SX yoo-Ooo was gunned down by Nuwanda
[S] Sir|Anonymoose: ris grow up faggot
Nuwanda was pounced upon by Merry Christmas's Dragoon
[S] Sir|WoGoMo: yes grow up.
Nuwanda was pounced upon by Merry Christmas's Dragoon
Aelita was bitten by SX yoo-Ooo
YOMAN was gunned down by Nuwanda
Nuwanda was pounced upon by Merry Christmas's Dragoon
Aelita was pounced upon by Merry Christmas's Dragoon
Sir|Anonymoose joined the humans
Sir|Anonymoose left the humans
SX yoo-Ooo was gunned down by Aelita
[S] Sir|Anonymoose: bbl
YOMAN was gunned down by Nuwanda
[S] Sir|WoGoMo: bb moose
Sir|Anonymoose disconnected
YOMAN was gunned down by Nuwanda
YOMAN was gunned down by Nuwanda
SX yoo-Ooo was gunned down by Nuwanda
YOMAN was gunned down by Nuwanda
SX yoo-Ooo was gunned down by Nuwanda
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[DraZiLoX]

I remember QVM where it was impossible to join spectators while grabbed by basi.

[WoGoMo]

Well to clarify, I wasnt even involved in a fight at the time I went spec. I was comfortable in base and just spawned, noticing the OM was down, I went to spec and rejoined as a builder.

[Lava_Croft]

You went spectator in order to circumvent a gameplay mechanic. You cannot evolve from a Dretch into a Granger, so in order to get a Granger you have to die, not go spectator and then respawn as a granger. You can act all innocent here, but on the server you surely took a far more firm stance on this subject. Always good to see how getting things out in the open changes people's behaviour.

[WoGoMo]

Always good to see how getting things out in the open changes people's behaviour.

Well, since we're all whiny-complaining today, lets see how the admins respond to your Clan Tag impersonation STEALING.

Tag stealing ban, for reference.

[Teapot]

I remember QVM where it was impossible to join spectators while grabbed by basi.

Indeed. I wrote that patch. I'm not fond of 'abusing' /team but I wouldn't call it cheating either.

[WoGoMo]

Indeed. I wrote that patch. I'm not fond of 'abusing' /team but I wouldn't call it cheating either.

Well you should have taught me better when I was still in wrath's

[DraZiLoX]

I remember QVM where it was impossible to join spectators while grabbed by basi.

Indeed. I wrote that patch. I'm not fond of 'abusing' /team but I wouldn't call it cheating either.

Oh yeah! It was your QVM. Yes, we need that to servers! Then people will abuse /reconnect (most likely, not ).

[Lava_Croft]

All I want to know if this is accept behaviour, because if it is, I am binding /team s to a special key to save me from those special situations I rather not be in.

[SlackerLinux]

easiest solution would be add a 20 sec or so timer on /team then they can go into spec but they got to wait out the timeout if they want to rejoin a team

is it cheating prob not is it a lame thing to do yes

[Lava_Croft]

@WoGoMo: This thread is about you cheating, not about me naming myself after one of the cats we had.

[Barre]

I don't really see a problem in leaving your team and then rejoining to spawn as a granger but leaving your team to escape basi grab is kind of cheap

[WoGoMo]

@WoGoMo: This thread is about you cheating, not about me naming myself after one of the cats we had.

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[S] Sir|riS: and this is not your clantaqg
[S] Sir|riS: its Sirris
[S] Sir|riS: tard

@Lava Croft: I neither know nor care about your cats. And since you have opened a door here, I dont see any problem in me highlighting you stealing our clan tag during your whining session. You could very well have chosen the name "Sirris" or SirriS for all I care, but you chose to use the "|" character after the first 3 characters in an obvious but fail/self-contradictory attempt at trolling the clan.

I'd say if you have nothing constructive to say about this, you should just stfu and stop being such a jackass.

[David]

IMO is's abusing a flaw in the system, which is cheating.  It's exactly the same as why /kill got it's timer.

Should I ever see someone doing it, I'd tell them to stop / kick them if they didn't.
The rules are quite clear in not being absolute and allowing common sense, and this is quite obviously dickish at the least.

IMO the only time this sort of thing should be allowed is if you accidentally drop a nade in your base.

[WoGoMo]

Should I ever see someone doing it, I'd tell them to stop / kick them if they didn't.
The rules are quite clear in not being absolute and allowing common sense, and this is quite obviously dickish at the least.

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The rules are guidelines.  Use common sense and fairness,accept that there isn't one of us who won't screw up at one point or another and accept your lumps as we all will.

Then the rules should state it more clearly. Too much room for interpretation is not a good thing IMO. For the record, I've never even been warned about this.

[Cadynum]

/team s could be counted as a death if your health is not 100%. The build timer should not reset just because you switch team.
Easy to implement and fixes the problem.

(If anyone would do /team s to get rid of a basilisk I would personally kick them)

[Kiwi]

I think /team s should remove all your credits/evos and score.  The point of /team s is so you can stop playing trem.  Why would it ever be used for something else (and not call it cheating)?  Also, I thought you couldn't /team s/a/h while you had a build timer?

[Menace13]

I think /team s should remove all your credits/evos and score.  The point of /team s is so you can stop playing trem.  Why would it ever be used for something else (and not call it cheating)?  Also, I thought you couldn't /team s/a/h while you had a build timer?

TBH I even have an EXAMPLE of why you could use it and have it not be a lame thing to do:

Yesterday on UTCS I accidentally pressed my nadespam bind instead of my buy jetpack bind while building base in the thing up top (I had moved there at S1 ) (on my MacBook Pro the nadespam bind is Func+F8). However, that was my OLD buy jetpack bind. I have no clue why I did that. It would have quit. Anyways, I went spec given I had (thought I had) left a nade on the medi. So I quickly typed in /team s and got that nade to disappear. Turns out it was unnecessary as it had fallen through one of the small holes But still, that's a reason /team s is a fine thing to use.

[Who]

TBH I even have an EXAMPLE of why you could use it and have it not be a lame thing to do:

Yesterday on UTCS I accidentally pressed my nadespam bind instead of my buy jetpack bind while building base in the thing up top (I had moved there at S1 ) (on my MacBook Pro the nadespam bind is Func+F8). However, that was my OLD buy jetpack bind. I have no clue why I did that. It would have quit. Anyways, I went spec given I had (thought I had) left a nade on the medi. So I quickly typed in /team s and got that nade to disappear. Turns out it was unnecessary as it had fallen through one of the small holes But still, that's a reason /team s is a fine thing to use.

You could just not nadespam in the first place. That's a very, very weak argument for instant spectator.

[Tremulant]

I think /team s should remove all your credits/evos and score.  The point of /team s is so you can stop playing trem.  Why would it ever be used for something else (and not call it cheating)?  Also, I thought you couldn't /team s/a/h while you had a build timer?

TBH I even have an EXAMPLE of why you could use it and have it not be a lame thing to do:

Yesterday on UTCS I accidentally pressed my nadespam bind instead of my buy jetpack bind while building base in the thing up top (I had moved there at S1 ) (on my MacBook Pro the nadespam bind is Func+F8). However, that was my OLD buy jetpack bind. I have no clue why I did that. It would have quit. Anyways, I went spec given I had (thought I had) left a nade on the medi. So I quickly typed in /team s and got that nade to disappear. Turns out it was unnecessary as it had fallen through one of the small holes But still, that's a reason /team s is a fine thing to use.

This appears to be nothing but incomprehensible noise. It sounds like the best way around that particular situation is to, you know, not have a nadespam bind...
the only time i can think of that someone using /team s deserves to hang onto credits/evos is if they happen to be an admin investigating a problematic player, but since i don't necessarily trust the majority of admins not to abuse, even this isn't a solid case.

[Conzul]

/team s could be counted as a death if your health is not 100%. The build timer should not reset just because you switch team.
Easy to implement and fixes the problem.

(If anyone would do /team s to get rid of a basilisk I would personally kick them)

I agree. Shortly before I left ripeflesh was using /team s binds to avoid dying as a human. I didnt really bother to yell at him then. If tremstats mean that much 2 you, why not be happy?

[Meisseli]

I've kicked and handed some short 1-day bans for it before and I will do so in the future if I see anyone doing it. It is as much abusing the gameplay mechanics as glitch-building or anything else.

WoGoMo thinking it's perfectly OK to do so makes him quite a fool indeed.

[Lakitu7]

Personally I'm thinking that you could be let to go spec whenever you like but you have to wait like 30 seconds before you can teamchange again. Seems much easier than trying to nail down every abuse case and preventing it only then.

[WoGoMo]

I've kicked and handed some short 1-day bans for it before and I will do so in the future if I see anyone doing it. It is as much abusing the gameplay mechanics as glitch-building or anything else.

WoGoMo thinking it's perfectly OK to do so makes him quite a fool indeed.

Honestly now. How was I to know since I've seen it being done countless times even with admins present, and nobody thought to say anything.

[Meisseli]

I've kicked and handed some short 1-day bans for it before and I will do so in the future if I see anyone doing it. It is as much abusing the gameplay mechanics as glitch-building or anything else.

WoGoMo thinking it's perfectly OK to do so makes him quite a fool indeed.

Honestly now. How was I to know since I've seen it being done countless times even with admins present, and nobody thought to say anything.

By using common sense. There isn't a possibility to devolve in the game is there? The /team <a/h/s> binds are not supposed to be a part of gameplay, just means of getting into a team, or do you disagree?

[Lakitu7]

https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4879

[swamp-cecil]

I would say when switching teams, theres a 5 second countdown on your HUD and it gets cancelled if you take damage. You join the specified team instantly if you are dead or on spectators team.

[Kiwi]

https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4879

Sounds good, thanks.

[Anonymoose]

i cant see the problem with using it to come back as granger, simply because it was the easiest option at the time, i am sure if he was near one of those "wrong places" he would have used that way, either method would have had little effect on the outcome of that 'oh so serious' public game.
using it to escape from dying or escaping basilisks, well that is just low.