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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
« Reply #240 on: March 27, 2012, 06:44:48 am »
Wikipedia says no country uses the Gold Standard so I'm inclined to believe it.

Also it looks like there's some confusion over different notions of 'money' being used here. Here's my attempt at explaining it and feel free to call me out on my errors: 'Money' as your average person knows it (i.e. notes and coins) is the monetary base (M0). There are also broader measures of 'Money' which not only include the monetary base, but also the 'promises to pay money' as extra money itself (M1, M2, etc). In fractional reserve banking, no money in the monetary base is created, but since 'promises' can be exchanged just like standard money can it is considered money too and in this sense money is created. This isn't the same thing as making money from nothing, since the creation of this 'money' can only occur when promises are made to repay a concrete amount of M0 money. Whether the system is good at stimulating prosperity and avoiding crises is a matter of opinion, requiring greater scrutiny and separate from any intrinsic problems/evils you assert it has.
hello, national debt.

also, the money from the federal income tax is solely used to pay off the interest charged by the (private) federal reserve bank for printing out all of these new, debt-backed (promise to pay = debt) currency.  note i say just the interest, as the government also needs to pay the bank the amount printed.

this private bank holds the nation's reserves, and owns whatever part of the treasury china does not.  they make loans to large banks and industry.  the members of their board of directors is not public knowledge and they refuse to be publicly audited.  they set the interest rates that every other bank has to maintain.

that anyone cannot see that the federal reserve is poison to our economy, and a blight upon our nation, putting us into debt for generations to come is beyond me.  the fact that gold is not 35$ an ounce, as it has been throughout history, is almost as astounding as its current price, ~1500$ an ounce.

furthermore, the concept of paper money is not very hard to understand.  as is the concept of money itself.  but for brevity's sake, let's stick to paper.  paper is supposed to represent a "promise to pay" some actual real money (a commodity of value, historically in western culture, as well as much of asia and at least northern africa, gold and other precious metals).  here in america, we were on such a "gold standard" since our inception (aside from the fact our dollar, like its spanish namesake is based on a measurement of silver).  the paper money most commonly issued were by banks.  you brought such paper money into the bank to exchange it for coins and bullion of equal value. 

when we switched to a nationwide currency (an action that was vocally objected to, and had been vetoed several times before) our dollars remained redeemable in equal weight of silver and gold till the early 60's i think it was.  we even used real silver in our coins (i have a bunch of quarters worth $2-6 based on their silver content alone).  if you look at the historical price of gold in dollars, this is when it began to climb the mountain.

i would estimate that this is when the federal reserve had implemented everything granted it when it was formed in 1917.

so, in closing;  referring to the historical price in gold, can anyone tell me what use our current system is?  we have had crash and crash and crash with the federal reserve.  we have been inflated beyond belief.  you can begin to describe objects by their atom count using our national debt.  i look at the historical price of gold and see that indefinably long line of 35$ an ounce.  an economy is built upon its monetary system. so, why do we have what we have?
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
« Reply #241 on: March 28, 2012, 12:31:52 am »
You have what you have Rak (as an economical system), because it's the history of the United-States and of the presidents of the United-States to fight against the banks. Sadly, the banks have won the battle when Woodrow Wilson created the FED, and basically gave the power to the bankers. Woodrow Wilson said this on his dead bed :

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

The quote is disputed, a lot of people are saying it was misattributed, for instance on Wikiquote it says that, but I'll still put it here, for the simple reason that I don't refer myself to wikiquote.

Anyway, I also believe that all this fraudulous exercise is FOR Israel and it's new coming as the first world power, just like war on Iran is to make Israel the main beneficiary. Israel keeps gaining more power the more problems happen in the world (related to economics or war in the middle east mostly). It IS understandable if you understand the role of Sayanims (Israeli agents) and the role of Wall Street, which is composed with a large amount of Zionists. People must understand that economy is much more closely related to the military affairs than it may seems, and that military affairs and economy are also much more related to religions, and this is where the role of secret societies comes into play. It is Israel that will become a super power, similarly with how the United-States became the first super power of the world (when they passed in front of England) : through wars (or 1 big war) and economical problems (or 1 big crisis). This is my vision, and at the rate at which thing goes, it should be observable soon.

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
« Reply #242 on: March 28, 2012, 11:33:22 am »
Anyway, I also believe that all this fraudulous exercise is FOR Israel and it's new coming as the first world power, just like war on Iran is to make Israel the main beneficiary. Israel keeps gaining more power the more problems happen in the world (related to economics or war in the middle east mostly). It IS understandable if you understand the role of Sayanims (Israeli agents) and the role of Wall Street, which is composed with a large amount of Zionists. People must understand that economy is much more closely related to the military affairs than it may seems, and that military affairs and economy are also much more related to religions, and this is where the role of secret societies comes into play. It is Israel that will become a super power, similarly with how the United-States became the first super power of the world (when they passed in front of England) : through wars (or 1 big war) and economical problems (or 1 big crisis). This is my vision, and at the rate at which thing goes, it should be observable soon.

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
« Reply #243 on: March 28, 2012, 02:23:57 pm »
I called the NTC (national transition council) for Libya, and I made a right call. I am even more febrile at the following.

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
« Reply #244 on: March 28, 2012, 03:53:57 pm »
Yes, public debt is a big problem but the system is still keeping track of it. I'll reiterate that the problem is not the system itself but the public letting it get out of control. It is (indirectly) your debt and you should decide when to claim it back and when to count it as a broken promise. What you should not do is complain about the very part of the system which is allowing you to keep track of this.

Please get the idea out of your head that a bank is some sort of evil creature. The banks are the monetary system in action. You're disassociating people from something that is a very human problem: people with power get what they want (pretty much the definition of power). This has and will always be the case and has nothing to do with any particular societal system. If you want to get what you want, then exert your own power on the people around you (e.g. protest, debate, rebel, etc).

Now, remember that any organisation is made of individuals all vying for their personal gain. This causes a degree of uncertainty which makes it hard to form covert organisations on the scales you're talking about. It's unlikely (read "a fucking stupid notion") that the US government is a unified personality bent on giving Israel (also a unified personality) power over the world to do with what their evil Jewish hearts desire. What you're actually seeing is politics and diplomacy and they're designed to hold onto power, not give it away.

Also the "first superpower of the world" is nonsense. The term itself originated after the second world war to describe the three great powers at that time and so if anything it's now the "last superpower of the world", a title it may not keep for much longer.

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
« Reply #245 on: March 28, 2012, 04:59:49 pm »
Oh ok, Nux.

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
« Reply #246 on: March 29, 2012, 06:54:34 pm »
Yes, public debt is a big problem but the system is still keeping track of it. I'll reiterate that the problem is not the system itself but the public letting it get out of control. It is (indirectly) your debt and you should decide when to claim it back and when to count it as a broken promise. What you should not do is complain about the very part of the system which is allowing you to keep track of this.

Please get the idea out of your head that a bank is some sort of evil creature. The banks are the monetary system in action. You're disassociating people from something that is a very human problem: people with power get what they want (pretty much the definition of power). This has and will always be the case and has nothing to do with any particular societal system. If you want to get what you want, then exert your own power on the people around you (e.g. protest, debate, rebel, etc).

Now, remember that any organisation is made of individuals all vying for their personal gain. This causes a degree of uncertainty which makes it hard to form covert organisations on the scales you're talking about. It's unlikely (read "a fucking stupid notion") that the US government is a unified personality bent on giving Israel (also a unified personality) power over the world to do with what their evil Jewish hearts desire. What you're actually seeing is politics and diplomacy and they're designed to hold onto power, not give it away.

Also the "first superpower of the world" is nonsense. The term itself originated after the second world war to describe the three great powers at that time and so if anything it's now the "last superpower of the world", a title it may not keep for much longer.
nux, look up the legal definition of corporation.

also, look up "real world cyborgs".

i dont think you quite understand the nature of the beast in question, so to speak.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
« Reply #247 on: March 29, 2012, 08:58:29 pm »
Rak, with your last post, I am assuming you understood the message in the Apocalypse of John? ;)

Anyway, I am assuming this because you seem to be relating your profane knowledge with the said text. A lot of people, even non-religious ones, talk about our current period as a period of revelation, meaning the religious writings converges with the profane knowledge (edit : in a way that it is evident to some). If anyone is interested in such questions, I suggest watching the conferences of the Sheik Imran N. Hosein, especially those concerning Dajjal. To my detractors, I am not solely basing myself on religious texts, I did read some pretty serious books (and the system's answer to these books was just another proof of their seriousness) that even the most Atheist could agree with, and I have studied these subjects by myself (it's not in school that you will learn this, guess why) BOTH religiously and materialistically.

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
« Reply #248 on: March 30, 2012, 06:06:25 am »
Rak, with your last post, I am assuming you understood the message in the Apocalypse of John? ;)

Anyway, I am assuming this because you seem to be relating your profane knowledge with the said text. A lot of people, even non-religious ones, talk about our current period as a period of revelation, meaning the religious writings converges with the profane knowledge (edit : in a way that it is evident to some). If anyone is interested in such questions, I suggest watching the conferences of the Sheik Imran N. Hosein, especially those concerning Dajjal. To my detractors, I am not solely basing myself on religious texts, I did read some pretty serious books (and the system's answer to these books was just another proof of their seriousness) that even the most Atheist could agree with, and I have studied these subjects by myself (it's not in school that you will learn this, guess why) BOTH religiously and materialistically.
while i am quite schooled on christian theology and current endtime stuff, that was not what i was referencing with my choice of terminology.  i was referencing the fact that legally, a corporation is a person, and that makes it, by definition, a cybernetic organism.  humans serve as some of its organs, construction and computers serve as the inorganic component.

you will find that corporations often have interests that are not in the best interest of the people who make it up.  in politics you will find much the same with political parties, where a politician will go against his constituents and against his own professed morality to bend to the will of the party.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
« Reply #249 on: March 31, 2012, 05:30:39 pm »
I'm well acquainted with the kind of 'creature' people can constitute when they form groups. I'm familiar with how much ethical lines are blurred when the interests of the group outweigh the interests of the individuals that it comprises. You only have to look to the cells of our own bodies to see a good analogy for this concept and the moral problems that come with it. Yet, if you take the analogy further, you'll see that the body doesn't benefit from the majority of it's cells failing, even if in the short term some cells/germs might. In the same way, the banking system doesn't benefit from screwing you and everyone over, but some people will benefit, albeit in the short term.

So the system isn't the evil thing here. You're benefiting hugely from it, especially compared to other people in other systems. You should be fighting the evil people not trying to kill the body.

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
« Reply #250 on: April 01, 2012, 10:57:58 pm »
now this analogy will perhaps make sense.

the central bank along with the fractional reserve system are a cancer that is killing not only this nation, but western society as we know it.

perhaps, like communism, it works decent enough at a city or even state level, but it is doomed to fail and cause catastrophic damage at a national level.


now for obscure analogy.

the fed is landrew.
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« Reply #251 on: April 02, 2012, 11:42:44 pm »
You're so naive Nux, I am sure you had kick-ass grades in your economy and politic classes (if you had these classes). I suggest you go read up on Antal Fekete's writing a little bit more, maybe you won't say so many things that are factually disproved since a long time, but who am I fooling, I don't think you really care enough for that.

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
« Reply #252 on: October 29, 2013, 06:08:44 pm »
The Final word:  The United States and the World is ruled by a few corporatist bankers who control nearly everything including television news, courts, government, and the justice system.  They control the world's money supply.  They want to get in the middle east to control the sale of oil and make a requirement that you must pay in US currency in order to buy oil.  That way they can print all the money for themselves and not world too much about inflation.

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« Reply #253 on: October 29, 2013, 07:06:06 pm »
The Final word:  The United States and the World is ruled by a few corporatist bankers who control nearly everything including television news, courts, government, and the justice system.  They control the world's money supply.  They want to get in the middle east to control the sale of oil and make a requirement that you must pay in US currency in order to buy oil.  That way they can print all the money for themselves and not world too much about inflation.
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« Reply #254 on: October 29, 2013, 09:48:24 pm »
The Final word:  The United States and the World is ruled by a few corporatist bankers who control nearly everything including television news, courts, government, and the justice system.  They control the world's money supply.  They want to get in the middle east to control the sale of oil and make a requirement that you must pay in US currency in order to buy oil.  That way they can print all the money for themselves and not world too much about inflation.

ummmm.  that requirement has existed since the end of ww2.  one of the reasons we invaded iraq when we did was that sadam was going to start pricing oil in euros rather than dollars.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
« Reply #255 on: November 19, 2013, 04:40:39 am »
The Final word:  The United States and the World is ruled by a few corporatist bankers who control nearly everything including television news, courts, government, and the justice system.  They control the world's money supply.  They want to get in the middle east to control the sale of oil and make a requirement that you must pay in US currency in order to buy oil.  That way they can print all the money for themselves and not world too much about inflation.

ummmm.  that requirement has existed since the end of ww2.  one of the reasons we invaded iraq when we did was that sadam was going to start pricing oil in euros rather than dollars.

That is not exactly accurate.

The Oil Dollar agreement was not begun until the Nixon years. It was a method to save the USA economy at the time and abandon the gold-based currency system that was more common worldwide before. Right now, that Oil Dollar system is not working, having already lost control as nations move back to gold without openly announcing this. The Comex gold prices understate the real metal prices, while actual physical gold prices are going skyhigh. Iran sells oil to Turkey, for example, but this trade is really done for gold; turkish money is exchanged for gold, and the gold is taken to Iran, disguising that the trade is really gold for oil. Many other nations are disguising their open abandonment of the dollar system with currency-exchange agreements and Basket of Currencies type financial games. Eventually the US Dollar will become so minimal value internationally that it will reach and tipping point and spark a collapse, probably taking a few other similar fiat currencies down with it.
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