no Overmind = no alien regeneration, aliens legs/arms,reload for all guns...

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

anyone else wanna jump on my back for saying the luci and rant are fine?

That's not quite why they're jumping on your back.

what, i have to carry the team, too?

kidding aside, there really isnt a "they"... there primarily is a "you".  if you are not disputing what i am saying, why the snideness with comments referring to "lulz" based on my stats?  why do you attempt to invalidate my opinion reasoning that i "have not played a meaningful amount of gpp"?

[Tremulant]

You claim that it's easy to take down a rant with a luci, your stats show that this isn't something you have any recent experience of, besides the receiving end, that's what i queried, it has sod-all to do with whether the rant and luci are fine or not...

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

You claim that it's easy to take down a rant with a luci, your stats show that this isn't something you have any recent experience of, besides the receiving end, that's what i queried, it has sod-all to do with whether the rant and luci are fine or not...

so a claim such as that, on the topic of rant vs luci as illustrated by the given example of SD and no base, is not something appropriate to respond to with "it's fine, leave it alone"?  YOU claim i dont have a signifagant ammount of playtime, yet i've played the alien team more than you - this phase - and have far more time as a rant.

does my reasoning for this statement bother you greatly?  i mean, what's the problem?  can a tyrant not die to a luci in seconds, and can human players not dodge (not just with the dodge key) around the tyrant?  yes, it's easy to take down a rant with a luci.  conversely, it's easy for the rant to kill the guy holding the luci. 

and stats again?  if we go by yours, you dont know how easy it is to die as a rant.  or anything besides mara really.  of course i'm on the receiving end, unless there is a way to legitimately acquire a luci on the alien team i dont know about.

so again, was there something, or were you just popping up to randomly talk shit to someone you consider a newbie?

[Tremulant]

I'm not sure you're making sense.

[F50]

RAKninja, you have to be able to give as well as take to legitimately have a claim to imbalance here. IMHO its relatively rare for me to own a rant with a luci by myself. I personally find its much easier to do with a chaingun. As a tyrant, I also am capable of dodging enough luci shots that even if I end up taking a fully charged shot, the luci carrier ends up dead.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

RAKninja, you have to be able to give as well as take to legitimately have a claim to imbalance here. IMHO its relatively rare for me to own a rant with a luci by myself. I personally find its much easier to do with a chaingun. As a tyrant, I also am capable of dodging enough luci shots that even if I end up taking a fully charged shot, the luci carrier ends up dead.

that's just the thing, i am claiming balance, not imbalance.  lucis can kill rants fast, just as rants can kill the guy holding the luci fast.  no problem here.

tremulant, let me try again.

the OP wants aliens to not regen when the OM is down.  he says he wants this because rants are too hard to kill in SD, with neither team having a base.  i tell him "it's fine, leave it alone", and you bust in saying i dont know what the fuck i'm talking about.

what's up your ass?  isnt rant vs s3 humans balanced?

you say i dont know how hard it is to kill a rant with a luci, because of my stats.  i say you dont know how hard it is to kill anything as any alien, based on your stats.

was that too hard to understand, or am i going to have to start abbreviating "you" to "u" and other such foolishness for you to comprehend high school level english?  of course, if english is not your native language, inform me what is, so i can mangle my posts through a translator in a futile hope that you will get the gist of my statements.

eh, fuck why do i even bother?  odds are you're just reflexively talking shit due to some deranged drama addiction.  or you just discovered "how to be witty and make friends online, by jack handy"

[Tremulant]

RAKninja, you have to be able to give as well as take to legitimately have a claim to imbalance here. IMHO its relatively rare for me to own a rant with a luci by myself. I personally find its much easier to do with a chaingun. As a tyrant, I also am capable of dodging enough luci shots that even if I end up taking a fully charged shot, the luci carrier ends up dead.

that's just the thing, i am claiming balance, not imbalance.  lucis can kill rants fast, just as rants can kill the guy holding the luci fast.  no problem here.

tremulant, let me try again.

the OP wants aliens to not regen when the OM is down.  he says he wants this because rants are too hard to kill in SD, with neither team having a base.  i tell him "it's fine, leave it alone", and you bust in saying i dont know what the fuck i'm talking about.

what's up your ass?  isnt rant vs s3 humans balanced?

you say i dont know how hard it is to kill a rant with a luci, because of my stats.  i say you dont know how hard it is to kill anything as any alien, based on your stats.

was that too hard to understand, or am i going to have to start abbreviating "you" to "u" and other such foolishness for you to comprehend high school level english?  of course, if english is not your native language, inform me what is, so i can mangle my posts through a translator in a futile hope that you will get the gist of my statements.

eh, fuck why do i even bother?  odds are you're just reflexively talking shit due to some deranged drama addiction.  or you just discovered "how to be witty and make friends online, by jack handy"

I'm glad to see you've had time to calm down, are you really struggling that much to grasp the fact that i'm simply querying the idea of a rant being an easy kill with a luci, and not actually talking about overall team balance? I'm certainly not supporting wolfbr's assertions, if that's how you've spun it in your head.

[Qrntz]

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[RAKninja-Decepticon]

Now, for further lulz, we have RAKninja pretending to have actually played a meaningful amount of GPP, too.

clearly wolfbr needs to learn to bind dodge.  a rant goes down in what, 2 charged luci shots and 2 secondary?

I see zero luci cannon kills in your tremstats, but an awful lot of deaths by it. I personally find it very hard to take down a rant with the new luci, even with dodge.

lets go back to this then.

you say i dont know how hard it is to kill with a luci (lmao).

i say you dont know how easy it is to die as a tyrant.

if we go by stats in the way that you seem to want to, both statements are true.

sure, there are many aspects of trem that i dont grasp the finer points of, but i think i understand rant vs luci.

[F50]

lets go back to this then.

you say i dont know how hard it is to kill with a luci (lmao).

i say you dont know how easy it is to die as a tyrant.

if we go by stats in the way that you seem to want to, both statements are true.

sure, there are many aspects of trem that i dont grasp the finer points of, but i think i understand rant vs luci.

I don't know how easy it is to die as a tyrant either, because I don't get killed by lucis 1vs1 very often as a tyrant. Sure, lucis can be dangerous when there is another human that you are focusing on first, such as a chainsuit (which I find far more dangerous as a tyrant), but by themselves, meh.

[Tremulant]

Now, for further lulz, we have RAKninja pretending to have actually played a meaningful amount of GPP, too.

clearly wolfbr needs to learn to bind dodge.  a rant goes down in what, 2 charged luci shots and 2 secondary?

I see zero luci cannon kills in your tremstats, but an awful lot of deaths by it. I personally find it very hard to take down a rant with the new luci, even with dodge.

lets go back to this then.

you say i dont know how hard it is to kill with a luci (lmao).

i say you dont know how easy it is to die as a tyrant.

Bullshit, i'm rather adept at dying as a tyrant(something i'm not sure you can see from stats), it's killing humans with the bloody things that causes me problems.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

Bullshit, i'm rather adept at dying as a tyrant(something i'm not sure you can see from stats), it's killing humans with the bloody things that causes me problems.

no, i cannot see this from stats.  stats track kills with and death from weapons/classes, not what YOU were when you died.  low numbers generally mean you do not play as/against a certain object. 

f50, i also dont often have trouble with a solo luci as rant.  only certain (more skilled than i) players.  the thing is, is i dont often see humans running solo.  it's rare to have an actual 1v1 rant vs luci, most maps.  hell, unless you're playing a medium to largish map with few players (5 v 5 procyon, or similar) it's rare to have a 1v1 anything.

i stand by my origional evaluation, rant vs luci is fine, and the game should not be balanced for SD.

[ULTRA Random ViruS]

I didn't read the replies, but i'm going to say that it is sort of even, the overmind being killed in 3 shots of luci, and the rc taking at least 8 seconds to kill with one player up close.

If you think the sudden death is still un-even, why not bring the sudden death mode from 1.1? (om, rc, arm and medi are re-buildable) and also i was also thinking about esd being in 1.2. That'll be awsome.