How to play aliens?

[lamefun]

If I use a dretch, I can survive for sometime walking on walls, but if I use something bigger, I just catch lots of bullets and die, unless I ambush humans from behind a corner. How to kill humans in places that aren't corners?

[your mother]

Well, get a sense of what you are up against, how much damage will they slap by the time you get to them, and if you can kill em considering your skill vs. theirs. Open areas make for easy dodging of stuff like lucis. Chainguns, p-rifles, and lasguns are pretty nasty in open high seperation areas.

When in doubt, retreat to a corner.

Circling is fun, practice it, essential for Goons/rants... im not *pro*, but can kill 2 lucci bsuits in a large enough area like niveus human def base or outside in karith by confusing the hell out of them and killing from behind.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

If I use a dretch, I can survive for sometime walking on walls, but if I use something bigger, I just catch lots of bullets and die, unless I ambush humans from behind a corner. How to kill humans in places that aren't corners?

practice.  save the evos for one type of alien and only use that aside from dretch.  most people end up liking and predominantly using mara or goon.  i'm bad with goon and worse with mara, but i'm a fairly decent basi.  so keep working on it till you at least find something you like.

another point is knowing when to evolve.  if the enemy gains a stage on you, you might have to dretch it so that you dont waste what evos you have, for example when humans reach s2 and you only have one evo... generally not the best time to go basi.

[c4]

No, RAKNinja, you never exclusively practice one class unless when you're new to the game, you follow the idea you just pointed out and only play one alien.  It makes for not very well roundedness, and once you've gotten really good with one class, why would you ever play anything else?

[Vape]

No, RAKNinja, you never exclusively practice one class unless when you're new to the game, you follow the idea you just pointed out and only play one alien.  It makes for not very well roundedness, and once you've gotten really good with one class, why would you ever play anything else?

If you're exclusively good with one class odds are you'll be good at the others. It's not apples and oranges.

[CreatureofHell]

No, RAKNinja, you never exclusively practice one class unless when you're new to the game, you follow the idea you just pointed out and only play one alien.  It makes for not very well roundedness, and once you've gotten really good with one class, why would you ever play anything else?

If you're exclusively good with one class odds are you'll be good at the others. It's not apples and oranges.

Just a guess here but I think the Marauder handles differently than a Tyrant.

[Vape]

No, RAKNinja, you never exclusively practice one class unless when you're new to the game, you follow the idea you just pointed out and only play one alien.  It makes for not very well roundedness, and once you've gotten really good with one class, why would you ever play anything else?

If you're exclusively good with one class odds are you'll be good at the others. It's not apples and oranges.

Just a guess here but I think the Marauder handles differently than a Tyrant.

The main attacks are the same, you aim and slash... If you're an amazing marauder you're not going to be a completely shit Tyrant.

[CreatureofHell]

No, RAKNinja, you never exclusively practice one class unless when you're new to the game, you follow the idea you just pointed out and only play one alien.  It makes for not very well roundedness, and once you've gotten really good with one class, why would you ever play anything else?

If you're exclusively good with one class odds are you'll be good at the others. It's not apples and oranges.

Just a guess here but I think the Marauder handles differently than a Tyrant.

The main attacks are the same, you aim and slash... If you're an amazing marauder you're not going to be a completely shit Tyrant.

Classes aren't based solely on attacks. I think agility is far more important for Marauders than Tyrants.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

No, RAKNinja, you never exclusively practice one class unless when you're new to the game, you follow the idea you just pointed out and only play one alien.  It makes for not very well roundedness, and once you've gotten really good with one class, why would you ever play anything else?

if i can do it, odds are that other people can as well.  i worked on learning basi first.  true, i may evolve to basi sometimes when i am practicing a different class, but i tend to have enough self discipline to evolve to what i am working on.

The main attacks are the same, you aim and slash... If you're an amazing marauder you're not going to be a completely shit Tyrant.

Classes aren't based solely on attacks. I think agility is far more important for Marauders than Tyrants.

creatureofhell: why?

vape: we agree on something! amazing!  you've hit the nail on the head.  some specifics are different from class to class, but from basi to rant it's aim and slash.  learn how to do it with one, and you can adjust to the paticularities of the class you are playing as.  prolly why i fuck up so much with bigger aliens, i keep expecting basi range.

[c4]

not true


If you try to basi a bsuit, you may be able to get behind it and hold it while slashing.  Whereas if you're a good and you try to slash a bsuit to death, chances are, you'll get raped if the suit knows how to move at all.  You need to learn pounce and that shit as well.

[CreatureofHell]

The main attacks are the same, you aim and slash... If you're an amazing marauder you're not going to be a completely shit Tyrant.

Classes aren't based solely on attacks. I think agility is far more important for Marauders than Tyrants.

creatureofhell: why?

Because Marauders can jump and Tyrants can't. A Marauder has far less HP than a Tyrant and so it relies on being nimble to dodge enemy attacks. Tyrants are far less nimble and so rely on their large amount of HP to protect them while they attack.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

Because Marauders can jump and Tyrants can't. A Marauder has far less HP than a Tyrant and so it relies on being nimble to dodge enemy attacks. Tyrants are far less nimble and so rely on their large amount of HP to protect them while they attack.

but a rant does not have all THAT many hp.  he still needs to learn how to avoid fire to make the most of the HP he has.  therefore, agility is still important to a tyrant.  yes, not to the extent that a mara is, but it helps. 

now, on that logic, would you not think that using the mara and discovering what kinds of erratic movement works best at breaking aim would also help a rant to some extent?

on that token, why would getting good with a mara not help you as rant?

not true


If you try to basi a bsuit, you may be able to get behind it and hold it while slashing.  Whereas if you're a good and you try to slash a bsuit to death, chances are, you'll get raped if the suit knows how to move at all.  You need to learn pounce and that shit as well.

that is why it is generally not a good idea to basi a bsuit.  that's part of the specific tactics of using a basi.  learning to grab and slash a suit as a basi surely helps you when you are slashing or chomping that same suit with a larger class.

the OP wanted advice, i told him what worked for me.  i'm decent- not great, not spectacularly bad- with all classes.  that is how i learned. 

[Tremulant]

now, on that logic, would you not think that using the mara and discovering what kinds of erratic movement works best at breaking aim would also help a rant to some extent?

Not really, keeping your charge up and having the balls not to run from the fight when you're getting low(only running if you've got plenty of health, otherwise you're better off either faking and turning back to deliver your charge or just staying and fighting up close) have nothing to do with mara skills, of course timing your slashes is a standard transferable skill for most aliens, but that wasn't the point.

on that token, why would getting good with a mara not help you as rant?

because they have very little in common, i can't skip around, climb a wall and run like fuck without getting chased down when using a rant(partly because i'm a terrible rant).

[Vape]

Saying that agility is equal or even close to as important as primary attacks is just foolish. Aiming is the most important thing for any class/weapon and just by playing the game no matter what class or weapon you use you're going to get better aim, if you have amazing aim with a marauder, you're not going to forget how to aim when you use a Tyrant. Adjusting to range and learning secondary attacks is all you need to do when learning how to use different classes.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

now, on that logic, would you not think that using the mara and discovering what kinds of erratic movement works best at breaking aim would also help a rant to some extent?

Not really, keeping your charge up and having the balls not to run from the fight when you're getting low(only running if you've got plenty of health, otherwise you're better off either faking and turning back to deliver your charge or just staying and fighting up close) have nothing to do with mara skills, of course timing your slashes is a standard transferable skill for most aliens, but that wasn't the point.

on that token, why would getting good with a mara not help you as rant?

because they have very little in common, i can't skip around, climb a wall and run like fuck without getting chased down when using a rant(partly because i'm a terrible rant).

again, you are dealing with class specifics, the kind of thing you practice to adjust to. aiming and slashing is fairly similar for all classes above dretch.both mara and rant are capable of good speed and fairly quick direction changes.  yes, in different ways, but the basics are still the same.

let's say i dont know how to play either mara or rant at all.  if i learn mara, i lean how to bounce around and zig-zag dodge.  with rant i have to learn how much i can tank, when to use charge as transportation rather than an attack, and how to move so that i am not always taking damage.

with both i learn about aiming and timing swipes.  with both i learn how to gauge distance for attacks.  the basics.

when someone asks me "how do i play aliens" i dont try to tell them about class strategies and such, i want to give them a good grasp on the basics first.  i, personally, feel that you can learn the basics as any class.

again, i agree with vape.  the biggest part of any fps is muscle memory - aim.  no matter what you learn to aim with,your aim will not magically evaporate when you switch classes.

[OhaiReapd]

I think if you can aim the game is easy.

[ULTRA Random ViruS]

When 1.2 comes out, it should come with pre-made demos, on how to play.

[Vape]

 

[Volt]

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[Qrntz]

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[RAKninja-Decepticon]

I think if you can aim the game is easy.

especially if you play human and have one half of your keyboard bound to fire weapon, the other half bound to walk backwards

=D

[Vape]

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[CreatureofHell]

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[Vape]

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[RAKninja-Decepticon]

 

[Vape]

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[jm82792]

If I use a dretch, I can survive for sometime walking on walls, but if I use something bigger, I just catch lots of bullets and die, unless I ambush humans from behind a corner. How to kill humans in places that aren't corners?

You have to do some thinking.
Oh the humans are rushing our base or are starting to.
So you follow them until they are away fem their safe base,
poison them and kill them. Humans are particularly weak when they are away from base or are by themselves.

[Vape]

why is ur tomato clown mad josh 

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

If I use a dretch, I can survive for sometime walking on walls, but if I use something bigger, I just catch lots of bullets and die, unless I ambush humans from behind a corner. How to kill humans in places that aren't corners?

You have to do some thinking.
Oh the humans are rushing our base or are starting to.
So you follow them until they are away fem their safe base,
poison them and kill them. Humans are particularly weak when they are away from base or are by themselves.

problems with this -

humans are rushing, do we even have a way out to flank, as you describe?  what to do when you dont?

any human with half a brain will look behind himself from time to time.  the ones that dont are usually food regardless of if you attack from behind or head on.

what to do when no booster for poison (not s2, no BP)?  what to do when humans refuse to separate from a group?

[jm82792]

If I use a dretch, I can survive for sometime walking on walls, but if I use something bigger, I just catch lots of bullets and die, unless I ambush humans from behind a corner. How to kill humans in places that aren't corners?

You have to do some thinking.
Oh the humans are rushing our base or are starting to.
So you follow them until they are away fem their safe base,
poison them and kill them. Humans are particularly weak when they are away from base or are by themselves.

problems with this -

humans are rushing, do we even have a way out to flank, as you describe?  what to do when you dont?

any human with half a brain will look behind himself from time to time.  the ones that dont are usually food regardless of if you attack from behind or head on.

what to do when no booster for poison (not s2, no BP)?  what to do when humans refuse to separate from a group?

Examples are what I gave, a guide on the aliens would comprise several paragraphs and would be a considerable endeavor.
I'm just trying to prompt thought; for instance : "You don't run straight towards them, you think about how to kill them within the current situation and how they may respond when you attempt to kill him/them."

When I started I tried to get my kills with minimal wall-walking, plus I didn't vary my movement enough (or much to any thought ) and gave (especially the massdrivers) perfect aim. When you think from multiple perspectives such as how to frustrate their aim -- as if you were the human then things tend to be more successful.

why is ur tomato clown mad josh

Because Mad-Toma perma banned me for saying I owned a pair of them,
it got resolved but I like the name for some reason.
They are fairly ferocious fish though,
I've had them chase off(they jumped) $100 of fish before I got the clue that their specie is much more aggressive then say your average nemo/Percula clown.