SamOz's MImod (Mirai Ikusa Visual & Sound version)

[SamOz]

*snip* What's with all the Ad Hominem crapola anyway? *snip*

please stop using the underlined term, you do not seem to know what it means.

Actually, I very much DO know what it means. If someone is engaging in personal attacks, it IS  Ad Hominem abuse. Calling someone 'motherfucker', fucktard, and 'faggot' is Ad Hominem abuse. Dev-HC has proven to be incapable of doing otherwise, and has engaged in Ad Hominem abuse throughout the entire thread.

By doing so, Dev-HC destroys any shred of credibility that might remain in those posts, and ensures that the majority of readers will simply skip past his posts because those posts are obviously nothing more than personal harassment. Any use of "technical" arguments that are used in thinly veiled excuse for furthering this personal harassment are discredited by the use of the Ad Hominem abuse. Apparently, Dev-HC also believes that outright lying and intentionally misleading others about what's actually in the mod is going to help counter this loss of credibility, but it doesn't work. Most of the visitors to these forums seeking information about the game of Tremulous are not going to bother reading posts filled with Ad Hominem abuse or which are just personal harassment. There's an old saying, "The mud sticks to those who throw it". Dev-HC throws a lot of "mud".

Dev-HC, your "personal" interpretation of what makes music is not shared by the music industry or the legal community. Using pieces of sound and turning them into a musical creation does not mean that the creator of the music is any less a musician, nor does it make the music any less accepted as the creation of that musician.

You don't help your argument by blatantly lying repeatedly about what I've said before, and your sad attempts at twisting words to claim that I said something that I definitely DID NOT SAY destroys your own arguments. You're not honest enough to stick to the facts, so you LIE about those facts. Just like you LIED yet again when you tried to say that I said "almost all" or claimed authorship of "almost all" when I definitely DID NOT SAY IT. And thanks again for bumping the thread. You're doing great.

[kharnov]

Calling someone 'motherfucker', fucktard, and 'faggot' is Ad Hominem abuse.

The term you're looking for is called name-calling, or just insulting someone. You might find Wikipedia helpful in this matter.

[vcxzet]

You should learn to ignore dhc and rak. When they don't attack each other, they attack other bystanders.
Those poor souls... they are dying to get the last word
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuoaGPlWr-4

[SamOz]

Calling someone 'motherfucker', fucktard, and 'faggot' is Ad Hominem abuse.

The term you're looking for is called name-calling, or just insulting someone. You might find Wikipedia helpful in this matter.

Ad Hominem is still Ad Hominem. Dev-HC's first post on this thread is nothing more than personal attack.

LOL - wikipedia  
http://patterico.com/2012/05/27/brett-kimberlin-gets-his-wikipedia-entry-removed/

Wikipedia is one of those sites that are presented as a good, credible, trustworthy, reliable, fact-checked resource of information but is nothing of the sort.

You should learn to ignore dhc and rak. When they don't attack each other, they attack other bystanders.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuoaGPlWr-4

Thanks for the laugh, vcxzet

[kharnov]

Maybe you'd prefer Merriam-Webster, then.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/name+calling

When children insult each other on the playground, are they using ad hominem attacks on each other? No, they are engaging in name-calling. Don't use a ten dollar word to do a two cent word's job, especially if you're using it wrong.

[SamOz]

Maybe you'd prefer Merriam-Webster, then.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/name+calling

When children insult each other on the playground, are they using ad hominem attacks on each other? No, they are engaging in name-calling. Don't use a ten dollar word to do a two cent word's job, especially if you're using it wrong.

I prefer experts on Logical Fallacies and use of the OED actually, but Ad Hominem is Latin. Literally "to a man," from ad "to" (see ad-) + hominem, accusative of homo "man". When kids are insulting each other it's still Ad Hominem. The kids may call it name-calling, but that doesn't change that it's Ad Hominem, as in against the person. I'm using it correctly, and studied Latin in school, back in those old days when it was considered 'important'.


Merriam-Webster can't even get simple definitions like "FACT" correct.

Latin words don't cost any more than English words. Ad Hominem is shorter than 'name-calling' (less letters to type) and covers the entire swathe of personal harassment and abuse that Dev-HC has been engaging in.

[kharnov]

Cool.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/ad-hominem
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/name-calling

You're still using it wrong. Here are a couple of examples.

First, an ad hominem attack:

"We shouldn't trust Sally to be around children, because she had an abortion once."

Now for an insult:

"Megan is a whore."

The difference is in the attempt to present it as a logical argument by attempting to substantiate the accusations with unrelated personal qualities. Children on a playground are not using arguments attached to their insults, they're just insulting each other.

[SamOz]

No, I'm using it correctly.

It's a LATIN term.

Insulting someone is still against the person, which is still Ad Hominem.

Why type a childish term that requires more letters such as "name-calling" when it's easier to type fewer letters in Ad Hominem, and covers the entire definition of what's being done? Dev-HC has engaged in Ad Hominem. Dev-HC's very first post and every post by Dev-HC has been filled with Ad Hominem. Apparently, Dev-HC also believes that just the right combination technical bullshit in strangely twisted interpretations mixed with other logical fallacies, some lying about others have said, or trying to redefine the 'meaning' of what others have said, will 'win' a debate.

[vcxzet]

Cool.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/ad-hominem
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/name-calling

You're still using it wrong. Here are a couple of examples.

First, an ad hominem attack:

"We shouldn't trust Sally to be around children, because she had an abortion once."

Now for an insult:

"Megan is a whore."

The difference is in the attempt to present it as a logical argument by attempting to substantiate the accusations with unrelated personal qualities. Children on a playground are not using arguments attached to their insults, they're just insulting each other.

First I thought you'd continue like: "because she is a pedophile". But it turned out to be more interesting. So Sally has the ability to abort already born children. End of my attention span ... Give me Megan's number

[kharnov]

It's derived from Latin, but you're being silly if you're reading into the meaning directly instead of referring to the modern English usage. That would be like saying "alma mater" means "dear mother" instead of a college someone graduated from.

[vcxzet]

roman's didn't know the word name calling so probably ad hominem included name calling too. or maybe because one stabbed the other before the name calling part.

[SamOz]

It's derived from Latin, but you're being silly if you're reading into the meaning directly instead of referring to the modern English usage. That would be like saying "alma mater" means "dear mother" instead of a college someone graduated from.

Count the letters and definitions covered by Ad Hominem. You're attempting to play down Dev-HC's harassments and personal abuse by limiting the definition to something far more minor, then calling it a kindergarten term such as 'name-calling'. Ad Hominem covers all of the abusive personal harassments in every post by Dev-HC on this thread. Dev-HC has resorted to lying about what I've stated as well, and then tried to redefine what I've stated away from what I actually stated. You're now doing the same thing; attempting to twist words and redefine their meaning to something far different than that stated by the original poster of those statements.

[kharnov]

I'm not attempting to do anything with regards to /dev/humancontroller. He isn't connected to me in any way. I've just been sitting here having a good laugh at this thread.

[SamOz]

I'm not attempting to do anything with regards to /dev/humancontroller. He isn't connected to me in any way. I've just been sitting here having a good laugh at this thread.

Fine, so you're playing down Dev-HC's Ad Hominem unintentionally.

I'm having a good laugh too, by the way. This thread is a nice time-waster to post on occasionally, but from next month I'll be too busy to post here as much. Back to usual. Crazy hours, lots of travel, probably very little time for playing Trem or any other online games. I won't have a decent break until around New Year and the first week of January next year. Maybe then, I can get back to working on improving this mod a bit more.

[CreatureofHell]

Heaven forbid anyone would admit they were wrong on the internet when they can just argue about it incessantly.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

*snip* What's with all the Ad Hominem crapola anyway? *snip*

please stop using the underlined term, you do not seem to know what it means.

Actually, I very much DO know what it means. If someone is engaging in personal attacks, it IS  Ad Hominem abuse. Calling someone 'motherfucker', fucktard, and 'faggot' is Ad Hominem abuse. Dev-HC has proven to be incapable of doing otherwise, and has engaged in Ad Hominem abuse throughout the entire thread.

By doing so, Dev-HC destroys any shred of credibility that might remain in those posts, and ensures that the majority of readers will simply skip past his posts because those posts are obviously nothing more than personal harassment. Any use of "technical" arguments that are used in thinly veiled excuse for furthering this personal harassment are discredited by the use of the Ad Hominem abuse. Apparently, Dev-HC also believes that outright lying and intentionally misleading others about what's actually in the mod is going to help counter this loss of credibility, but it doesn't work. Most of the visitors to these forums seeking information about the game of Tremulous are not going to bother reading posts filled with Ad Hominem abuse or which are just personal harassment. There's an old saying, "The mud sticks to those who throw it". Dev-HC throws a lot of "mud".

Dev-HC, your "personal" interpretation of what makes music is not shared by the music industry or the legal community. Using pieces of sound and turning them into a musical creation does not mean that the creator of the music is any less a musician, nor does it make the music any less accepted as the creation of that musician.

You don't help your argument by blatantly lying repeatedly about what I've said before, and your sad attempts at twisting words to claim that I said something that I definitely DID NOT SAY destroys your own arguments. You're not honest enough to stick to the facts, so you LIE about those facts. Just like you LIED yet again when you tried to say that I said "almost all" or claimed authorship of "almost all" when I definitely DID NOT SAY IT. And thanks again for bumping the thread. You're doing great.

first off, the bump part would have meaning if people actually posted more than once every three months on this board.  your thanks are empty.

second, even after all of this, you are not using "ad hominim" correctly.  dev/hc is not discrediting your argument based on you being anything.  he is calling you names based on your argument.  

to further your education on logical fallacies - you are committing "argument from fallacy", "argument from ignorance", "Etymological fallacy", and probably many more.  also, your "recording industry" example is dead wrong, according to american copyright laws.  if you happen to actually own any actual hardcopies of an album, check the sleeve for copyright information about samples.  even if permission is granted to use a sample, 99% of the time copyright attribution is included.

just so you know, when you release an asset, you are claiming ownership.  by not including the proper attribution, you are claiming it is all your own work.  you may not see it this way, but that is unimportant.  the law sees it the way i have just described to you.

if you dont believe me, just look up a few court decisions on open source copyright infringement.

[SamOz]

Heaven forbid anyone would admit they were wrong on the internet when they can just argue about it incessantly.

That and porn. You need both. That's what the internet is really for. Just the sort of thing that lonely computer nerds would love most. Don't tell the DoD.

[/dev/humancontroller]

Calling someone 'motherfucker', fucktard, and 'faggot' is Ad Hominem abuse. Dev-HC has proven to be incapable of doing otherwise, and has engaged in Ad Hominem abuse throughout the entire thread.

By doing so, Dev-HC destroys any shred of credibility that might remain in those posts, and ensures that the majority of readers will simply skip past his posts because those posts are obviously nothing more than personal harassment. Any use of "technical" arguments that are used in thinly veiled excuse for furthering this personal harassment are discredited by the use of the Ad Hominem abuse.

WRONG. by calling you a faggot, i'm adding entertainment value to this thread, without affecting any credibility whatsoever. my posts contain about 1% name calling, and 99% reasoning, you just need to comprehend them.

interpretation of what makes music is not shared

i accidentally the music; i am disappoint.

Using pieces of sound and turning them into a musical creation does not mean that the creator of the music is any less a musician, nor does it make the music any less accepted as the creation of that musician.

correct (in general). however, being accepted depends on the people, and there are certain cases where the music legally cannot become the exclusive creation of the musician, and that's when the pieces of sounds are CC-licensed (by a different author, who is not willing to lift the restrictions of the CC) and are practically contained in the music.

Apparently, Dev-HC also believes that outright lying and intentionally misleading others about what's actually in the mod is going to help counter this loss of credibility, but it doesn't work.

You don't help your argument by blatantly lying repeatedly about what I've said before, and your sad attempts at twisting words to claim that I said something that I definitely DID NOT SAY destroys your own arguments. You're not honest enough to stick to the facts, so you LIE about those facts.

WRONG. i am not lying, nor misleading others (excluding absolute retards from consideration). it is you who are lying when you say that i am lying, and your mispresentation of copyright/credits in the package is the main combination of lying and intentionally misleading.

Just like you LIED yet again when you tried to say that I said "almost all" or claimed authorship of "almost all" when I definitely DID NOT SAY IT.

what part of

yes, but unfortunately, inside the package, you're presenting almost all of the work as if it were your own -- as perceived by the casual package inspector --, thus committing plagiarism.

did you fail to understand? there are 2 main ways to mispresent information, having different success-rates and defences for when challenged/accused:

• to blatantly lie, ie., to explicitly state something non-factual. in this case, there is, in general, no defence against accusations.
• to present information in a setting that usually (or at least to a fair amount of the receivers) implies something, but not in the concrete case, obviously in the hopes of inducing a deduction of non-facts in the minds of the receivers. in this case, a defence against accusations can be: "hey, i never stated that <insert_deduced_non-fact_here>".

the latter include, for example:

• presenting a publication on a scientific topic (as a paper, or possibly as a talk), without referring to sources, is a way of saying that you independently came to the observations, conclusions, methods, etc. that you described (the defence would be: "hey, i was only lecturing").
• a video that contains voiced (read-aloud) text, combined with an image set (slide) that is a formally independent, but is usually believed to be connected, is an attempt at inducing false associations (the defence would be: "hey, the images are just there to try to reduce boredom").
• you and your package, period.

all of the examples are punishable in jurisdictions with reasonably strong law systems.

again, i remind you that you have yet to quote me on all claims that you've made regarding my statements. also, you have yet to make a clear, unambiguous, boilerplate-free statement about what you claim (with respect to ownership and copyright) about the new battlesuit texture.

PS: your latent editing of key points in your posts (that have already been replied to) pisses me off.

[SamOz]

Ah, Dev-HC still lying yet again.   Copy/paste of technical stuff to make a big pretense of being 'correct' and having done 'research' while you keep repeating the same misleading BS about what's in the mod, lied about what I've stated previously, and lied about what attributions are given in the files in the mod. Your ridiculous attempts to seem 'cool' by relying on sexual terms in your abuse only give the impression that you're sexually frustrated and seem to believe that anything sexual is 'dirty'. It's kindergarten insult stuff. Like what a little kid or teenager uses when they want to sound 'scary'. LOL. It doesn't work, it's just DUMB.

By the way, I edited previous posts to add attachments of screenshots. I want to have screenshots of the mod on every one of my posts in this thread 

Some wonderful hilarity, RAK being a true comedian

first off, the bump part would have meaning if people actually posted more than once every three months on this board.  

And they DO! Isn't it wonderful. You just posted, a bunch of other people have posted, well, BANG! Just how about that, hey? Look at this thread GROW!

your thanks are empty.

No, they have letters in them. That's not empty.

second, even after all of this, you are not using "ad hominim" correctly.

Says a guy who can't SPELL! Sorry, I'm not using “ad hominim”, I'm pointing out that Dev-HC has been using Ad Hominem. It has an E in it, not two I's.

 dev/hc is not discrediting your argument

True, Dev-HC is not discrediting anything, well, except maybe Dev-HC's own posts by filling them with abuse. Which is Ad Hominem. Keep that E in there, and you'll do better. There are many kinds of Ad Hominem, but they are still Ad Hominem; as in against the person. Dev-HC's posts are filled with that kind of crap.

based on you being anything.  

No, Dev-HC is instead lying a lot of the time about what's in the mod, and lying about what I've stated already, while mixing in numerous other personal abuse and more crap as well. The harassment and personal abuse is Ad Hominem.

he is calling you names based on your argument.

No, Dev-HC is using insults irrelevant of any actual argument, as the first post by Dev-HC shows. Did you skip past it?

to further your education on logical fallacies

I've had a far wider education than you anyway, and a lot more life experience to top that off. There are books and many websites about logical fallacies and their use, you should read them. They would serve you well. You might improve your spelling of Ad Hominem if you use the word properly, instead of feigning a full knowledge of the term that you've already displayed that you don't have.

you are committing "argument from fallacy", "argument from ignorance", "Etymological fallacy", and probably many more.  

Actually, no. You seem unable to specify any in particular as well, I noticed. That rather weakens your accusations. You probably just read those terms online and decided to put them in the post because they sounded good. LOL

also, your "recording industry" example is dead wrong, according to american copyright laws.

I'm not 'american', and there isn't any nation called 'america' either. There is a continent by the name of America, and there are many nations on that continent, one of which is known as the USA or the United States of America.

I'm in Japan. Either way, 'american' copyright laws don't apply to me, and they don't have any jurisdiction over the internet in Japan or the rest of world outside wherever 'america' is. There are international treaties that apply, but the USA's legal system doesn't have any jurisdiction outside the USA, whose laws only apply to a mere 5% of the world's population.

even if permission is granted to use a sample, 99% of the time copyright attribution is included.

And just like Dev-HC, you attempt to mislead by implying that I haven't given any attribution for the sound samples which I've used. It was made very clear early in this thread that I gave attribution as required, but Dev-HC has continued make misleading and false statements anyway. Many consider that repetition of another's lie is still lying, even unknowingly. So, the question is, did you just repeat the bullshit claims of Dev-HC without checking their validity, or did you try to verify those claims and chose to repeat the same lies from Dev-HC in full knowledge that they were lies?

just so you know, when you release an asset, you are claiming ownership.  by not including the proper attribution copyright infringement.

You're incorrect about claiming of ownership just by the act of releasing an asset. That's not how it works at all, and neither have I claimed ownership of everything within the mod; you're implying something which is thoroughly untrue. Basically, you're lying and misleading just like Dev-HC has done.

It seems that you want to continue other lies of Dev-HC as well. I've already given attribution, but you want to disregard facts and continue Dev-HC's lies. By the way, it's up to the copyright holders as to decide whether there's been any infringement or not, not up to you or Dev-HC.

you are claiming it is all your own work.

You're lying and misleading yet again. I have NEVER claimed it's all my own work for every asset in the mod. Just like Dev-HC, you make claims and bullshit all the time without checking a damn thing. Dev-HC has repeatedly misrepresented what's been stated by me in previous posts and in the mod, you're doing the same dumb thing.

you may not see it this way,

I don't look at things through whatever twisted distortions that you apparently want to promote about the world, I stick with reality and the facts. Since you've repeated a lot of lies, made misleading statements, and obviously haven't checked the facts, the only people seeing things 'your way' are those who are equally guilty of not checking the facts and just spouting BS all the time. Ignorance is only an excuse when the means to check facts are not available, which is not the case here. You could've checked, you didn't, and you repeated the same lying crap that Dev-HC has posted.

 the law sees it the way i have just described to you

No it doesn't. You were incorrect numerous times. The law is often called stupid, but you can't just make shit up and pretend that laws say things that they don't, or that laws apply in jurisdictions that those laws don't apply in.

if you dont believe me

It's not 'belief' required here, it's FACTS. You and Dev-HC should learn to stick with the facts, not make shit up. Also, learn to SPELL and use grammar properly.

just look up a few court decisions on open source copyright infringement.

I did, ages ago, now you should too. Also, grab a dictionary while you're doing that, and practice spelling.

[kharnov]

I've had a far wider education than you anyway, and a lot more life experience to top that off.

Tell me, do you know what the word "pedantic" means?

[SamOz]

I've had a far wider education than you anyway, and a lot more life experience to top that off.

Tell me, do you know what the word "pedantic" means?

Of course, I've also been a teacher. Teachers are nearly always pedantic.

[/dev/humancontroller]

I've had a far wider education than you anyway, and a lot more life experience to top that off.

yet you suck at life (committing plagiarism, failing at arguments, etc.).

I gave attribution as required

WRONG.

Dev-HC has continued make misleading and false statements anyway

WRONG.

just so you know, when you release an asset, you are claiming ownership.  by not including the proper attribution copyright infringement.

You're incorrect about claiming of ownership just by the act of releasing an asset. That's not how it works at all

WRONG (see my examples).

I've already given attribution

insufficient amount of attribution.

it's up to the copyright holders as to decide whether there's been any infringement or not, not up to you or Dev-HC.

of course, since the copyright holder defines the license. for example, the he/she may choose to use a CC license, in which case the copyright holder automatically decides that all improperly attributed modification-redistributions are infringements.

you are claiming it is all your own work.

You're lying and misleading yet again. I have NEVER claimed it's all my own work for every asset in the mod.

WRONG, claiming does not require an explicit statement (see the examples).

Dev-HC has repeatedly misrepresented what's been stated by me in previous posts and in the mod

WRONG.

 the law sees it the way i have just described to you

No it doesn't. You were incorrect numerous times.

WRONG.

if you dont believe me

It's not 'belief' required here, it's FACTS.

WRONG.

I've also been a teacher.

i feel for students who learned nothing but bullshit from you.

[SamOz]

Ah, there is Dev-HC bumping the thread again with more nonsensical bullshit and a massive serve of lies again.

Sorry, but you're full of BS, mate. You've lied about what is and what is not in the mod. You've lied about what I've stated about the mod even though it's easily verified by reading the posts. It seems that you have great difficulty sticking to what people have actually said, preferring to put your own twisted self-serving interpretations there instead. You've lied also about whether or not that I've given attribution, and apparently it won't matter a damn about how much is given since you'll always say it's not enough because - after all, it's plain to everyone that the ONLY motivation that you have for posting on this thread is the typical Troll one of personal harassment. That behaviour has been evidenced repeatedly by both your Ad Hominem and your blatant dishonesty.

Your posts don't have any point, and your arguments are garbage dressed up with irrelevant C&P. Most of what you've said is just boring BS such as 'wrong' without any expansion onto 'why' something is wrong, and when you do expand on an explanation it's been crap or filled with more distortions.

You remind me very much of one of those wandering drunks that yell at people in the street, abusing the world in the foulest language that they can think of, but lacking the vocabulary & creativity to be interesting while doing it.

[kharnov]

bumping

You keep saying this word. Why do you keep saying this word. For a thread to be bumped it has to be bumped over another. None of the other threads in this subforum have been replied to. There is nothing to bump this thread over.

[SamOz]

bumping

You keep saying this word. Why do you keep saying this word. For a thread to be bumped it has to be bumped over another. None of the other threads in this subforum have been replied to. There is nothing to bump this thread over.

That's not correct. There have been 4 posts on another thread in this subforum after this thread was posted. Everytime this thread has been posted on, it also gets displayed as the Latest Post on the Index, which makes it more visible.

[kharnov]

Do you cross a bridge by standing in place?

[SamOz]

Do you cross a bridge by standing in place?

Although there are very few members logging in and posting on these ancient Tremulous forums, the game itself isn't yet dead. People still play it. A few servers continue to be popular. Occasionally, someone will want to find a new mod for this old game, spice it up a little, be a bit different. If they want to find a mod, the logical first place to look is this forum. While this thread is at the top of this subforum, and while this thread appears on the Index as the one with the latest post, it has an increased chance of being seen. It will also accumulate a higher rank in the search engines' listings.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

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ad hominem.  you discredit my argument due to a spelling error.  an understandable one, as spellcheck does not include many latin words.  you see, THAT is actual ad hominem.  "RAK cant spell, therefore his point is invalid".  do you see how it differs from dev/hc saying "you are wrong, therefore you are a faggot"?  did dev/hc claim that your supposed faggotry was the reason you were wrong?  this addresses my origional point.  you do not understand "ad hominem", and apparently you do not understand logical fallacy in general.

now, for the point by point - in my traditional irritatingly vague formatting.

i guess even bad attention is good for those starved for attention in general.

you WERE aware that things with "letters in them" can be "empty"?  like this - prove me wrong and i'll saw off my left foot.  see?  that's an empty promise.

ad hominem attack on me, not deigning to reply.

as you have been told many times now, personal attacks do not equal ad hominem.  this is an example of argument from fallacy.  again, ad hominem refers specifically to the logical fallacy of dismissing an argument from a person based on some form of personal attack.  a personal attack can be ad hominem, but not all personal attacks are ad hominem.  this is not a difficult concept.  perhaps if i used simpler terms?  just because a cat is an animal does not mean all animals are cats.  do you understand now?

for the record, i have yet to catch dev/hc in a lie.  ever.  i've seen him mistaken or incorrect, but never actually lying.  you see, "lying" infers an active perversion of the truth.  are you forgetting some of us actually can remember for longer than a week?  i'd find dev/hc's assessment of you in his first post to be unflattering, but not inaccurate.  in collusion with that, i find your adopting of volt's "relaxed" attitude with regards to simple copyleft attribution to be deeply troubling.

using insults not attached to any specific argument precludes what dev/hc is doing from being ad hominem.  just to beat the point home some more - ad hominem is not just any personal attack, but refuting your argument on the basis of that personal attack.

far more education and world experience than i?  you must have forgotten who i am.  unlike the vast majority of americans you'll run into online, i have spent not insignificant time outside of my nation of origin.  i've also furthered my education, earning a degree in a practical subject.  did you know your "i am better educated and more cultured than you" bit i'm responding to right here is ad hominem?  i didnt think that you did.  by the by, i was not aware that being an english teach required a vast education.  i would assume all that is required is a degree of fluency in something other than english, and the ability to explain basic grammar and spelling rules.

tell me, is it not common practice to refer to anything pertaining to the united states of america as "american"?  i see people from all over the would do it, as well as it being extremely common here in america itself.  you also may be living in japan, but are you solely a citizen of japan?  no other citizenships held?  makes no matter, japan's treaties say it honers the copyrights of works in their country of origin.  furthermore, the berne convention states copyright is "automatic, upon publication".  the US and japan are both party to the berne convention.  so basically, nothing absolves you of requiring proper attribution, as per creative commons license, and also by publishing without said attribution you violated copyright by claiming full ownership of derivative works.

i was not unable to provide examples, i did not our of my wish to be brief and avoid a textwall.  but since you aksed -

Actually, I very much DO know what it means. If someone is engaging in personal attacks, it IS  Ad Hominem abuse. Calling someone 'motherfucker', fucktard, and 'faggot' is Ad Hominem abuse.

argument from fallacy

I prefer experts on Logical Fallacies and use of the OED actually, but Ad Hominem is Latin. Literally "to a man," from ad "to" (see ad-) + hominem, accusative of homo "man". When kids are insulting each other it's still Ad Hominem. The kids may call it name-calling, but that doesn't change that it's Ad Hominem, as in against the person. I'm using it correctly, and studied Latin in school, back in those old days when it was considered 'important'.

Etymological fallacy

If I build a house, it doesn't make it someone else's house just because I didn't make each brick by hand. If I make music from samples it doesn't make it someone else's music. The music is my creation. In the sound files, attribution is given in the metadata showing exactly where those samples came from. If it says OnlyTheGhosts, and that's it - well, bad luck, Dev-HC, I really did make that alone with sampling done only by me. Many of the sound files are like that. Others have the sources IN THE METADATA, and you're full of BS (yet again) trying to claim that's unimportant. Bit difficult to put attribution in the metadata of the textures, unfortunately, but I already gave attribution anyway elsewhere.

argument from ignorance, fallacy of composition, false analogy.

i could go on, but that is the limit for the time i am investing in educating you.  i suggest you look the terms up and see why i might apply them to the quotes i did.

see points above on what "american" refers to, and how the treaties japan has signed onto apply in this situation.  i also did not target your sounds.  i said the sounds in tremulous are in a grey area at best, and can never be properly attributed, and it was not a good idea to use them.  in case you have trouble telling us apart, i am the one who does not consistently format responses, rarely namecalls, and almost never capitalizes the word "wrong".  another easy way of distinction is up at the top of the post, in that kinda rectangular sidebar boarding any given post, on the left: the name is "RAKninja-Decepticon" and not "dev/humancontroller".  as odd as it seems, we are not the same person.

again, both japan and the US are party to the berne convention, which means that when someone publishes something (in this case, releases a bunch of files on the internet) they automatically claim copyright.  as you did not include proper attribution, or any attribution i should say, you automatically claimed that all the work was your own original work.  original means "no samples", as published samples have a copyright of their own.  you therefore need license to use such copywritten samples.  luckily we have things like the creative commons license, which grants such license for anyone, providing they include proper attribution.  failing that, you can contact a copyright holder and get permission ("license") under some other terms.  this second option is what musicians usually do when they sample things.  as i urged you, you'll see in the copyright info for such compositions - "includes samples from 'i'm a dirty asshole' by i.p. freely, used with permission"


i'm going to bundle the rest of your tripe into one paragraph.  you might want to look into what the law, for your jurisdiction, says.  but, because of the berne convention and similar international treaties (both japan and the US are members of every one) what matters is nation of origin, so US copyright law most definitely applies. know that you stand proud with the likes of volt in violating the easiest license in the world to comply with.

[SamOz]

Your support of Dev-HC's first post is Ad Hominem. Calling it 'unflattering' is just another bullshit way of trying to play down what it really is; an insane, badly written, insulting, misleading personal attack - and the claims in that first post by Dev-HC are just a mix of lies and insults with no truthful basis at all, in spite your personal opinion. Your 'opinion' doesn't magically turn Dev-HC's bullshit and insults into FACTUAL statements.

As soon as you chose to support crappy insults and lies like that, you declared that your pretence at intellectual objectivity and rational debate is nothing more than a fraud.

You just blew it, big time, utterly destroying whatever shred of credibility you might've claimed in debate as far as most visitors are concerned. Recall the old saying, "The mud sticks most to those who throw it", and you just joined a troll, Dev-HC, in the mud-throwing game. His bullshit remains bullshit, just as yours does. And it definitely IS bullshit. Personal attacks are Ad Hominem. Attempting to claim that the words mean something other than what they actually say, is rather dishonest of you.

The post that you responded with was filled with the same bullshit and misleading statements as Dev-HC had already posted earlier. Dev-HC lied about what I've stated previously and about what's in the mod. You simply supported by repetition the same lies that Dev-HC used. If you're unable or unwilling to recognise a lie from Dev-HC, that's irrelevant to the fact that Dev-HC did in fact lie. Quite a lot. He lied when he claimed that I was saying "almost all" of the assets in the mod were my creation, and he lied when he claimed that I didn't give any attributions. Basically, he's full of shit, and you're simply backing up that bullshit by claiming that I published without attribution, which is an outright lie from you; the mod includes attributions aplenty. Likely the mod has more attributions than any other packaged mod in this forum. So, Dev-HC lied, and you're lying too. I've seen Dev-HC lie to an absurd extent in an IRC conversation, spouting BS and abuse like he was shovelling shit from a truck.

It seems that you and Dev-HC are both of the same mindset, you both behave like trolls. Neither of you takes the time to spell correctly, or write a sentence properly. A sentence begins with a capital letter and ends with a period. It must contain a noun and a verb, a subject and a predicate. See here for more detailed explanations. You want to present yourself as well educated, unfortunately, your inability to write a sentence or spell correctly discredits you. If you can't write correctly, than you can't defend an argument effectively either. Trolls don't need to write sentences properly, they just yell 'faggot' and 'motherfucker' relying on copy & paste of huge irrelevant paragraphs from other websites to feign an education which they never experienced.

By narrowly re-defining and reinterpreting what was stated by me already quite clearly, you're engaging in a deceptive portrayal of the argument. When you blanket state that something is 'wrong' only on the thin premise of being an analogy while ignoring the core point made, you're dishonestly avoiding the presentation of any logical counterpoint. You then choose to keep carrying on as if that non-existent counterpoint had been presented, and the argument dismissed. The core point remains standing, however. Just as Dev-HC tries to dismiss the accusation that he's lying about what I've previously stated by insisting on his own personal reinterpretation of what was stated by me, you're being equally dishonest in debate. You both play word games as if they were a magical "abracadabra" for winning arguments while you toss in huge amounts of personal attack, and continue to avoid presenting a true logical counterpoint.

If you wanted a reasonable reply to your post, then you should've begun in kind with a reasonable post. One where you'd checked what was going on, what the truth of the matter was, instead of recycling/repeating the same lying crap and Ad Hominem that Dev-HC is shovelling.

As for the USA's copyright laws, they don't have extra-judicial jurisdiction and can't be enforced internationally when the product isn't made in the USA, is made by residents of another nation, and used by residents of another nation. When that product is virtual data on the internet, the legal issues become extremely complex and the court decisions controversial. You can post reams of C&P trying to claim otherwise, but that's what the reality is. Even the juridiction and legality of open source documentation is highly questionable. Nevertheless, you've persisted in repeating the same dumbass lies claiming that I didn't give attribution and that I'm not abiding by legal requirements in the mod; what you and Dev-HC claim is total bullshit.

Common practice among the population of the USA to refer to themselves as 'american' does not make it true that ONLY they are 'american'. The people of every other nation in North and South America are also 'Americans'. The people of the USA who falsely define the term to only refer to themselves are being derogatory and insulting to everyone else in both North and South America. Many people internationally and in those other nations are strongly objecting to the narrow definition that 'american' only refers to citizens of the USA, when there are hundreds of millions of people living in both North and South America who not citizens of the USA. There's no country called 'america' anyway.

You've also forgotten who I am.  

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

no, i have not forgotten you.  my recollection that you are an english teacher, and not native to japan should tell you that.

you've got a couple of things right about dev/hc's first post.  it was insulting, and indeed a personal attack.  however, despite appearances, it was not ad hominem.  do you not see how your own actions are supporting his claims?  you have adopted volt's casual disregard for copyright.  you have adopted volt's whiny self defense.  you have adopted volt's dismissal of others under the most petty of pretenses.

i see you still dont understand what a lie is.  anyhow, i think the word you are looking for is "slander".  oh, i also never made any pretense at intellectual objectivity or even rational debate.  i have 1 - explained how copyright works, and 2 - asked you to stop using a term you still do not grasp, most likely due to willful ignorance.

you did not claim "almost all" of the assets, you claimed them all by reason of a lack of proper attribution.  did you even read where i explained how that works?  and yet you still do not get it.  furthermore, no, upon release - according to you yourself - you lacked proper attribution.  shit buried in scripts and metadata is not good enough.  again, other mods are not the point of discussion here, your mod is.

ah, back to harping on me for spelling and grammar.  no, i am not your english student.  yes, i am perfectly aware of the common rules of english grammar and spelling.  and i willfully ignore them when writing something unimportant, such as an argument online.  did you know that becoming a spelling/grammar nazi was basically admitting that you have no actual salient points with which to counter arguments against you?  and if dev/hc is lying so much.....  call out each lie and refute it.  youve done nothing but basically scream "LIAR!", and have not bothered with actually refuting his claims.  this tends to make the casual observer believe that you do not counter them because you can not counter them, being the truth.

again, you've mixed me up with him.  i have explained my points to you (those points being how you've fucked up your copyright attribution, and how you've fucked up the use of the word "ad hominem").  i have only used a non-specific "wrong" once to you in this conversation, that being where i said you were using ad hominem incorrectly.  and did you just backhandedly accuse me of copy-pasting my arguments? buhwha?

my posts have been nothing if not reasonable.  again, i am not dev/hc.  i have not been calling you names.  i have been patiently explaining concepts to you.  that you have been willfully refusing to learn or even admit your error shows how unreasonable (and how much like volt) you are.

when you build on a copylefted work, you are required to release under the same license (in general, there are exceptions).  does that make it easier to comprehend?  at this point, it does not matter what country the original work derives from, you have to release in yours under the same license.  CC-BY-SA (the license for art assets in tremulous) says you MUST.... fuck it.  read it for yourself and see if you can fit the pieces together.  

a good portion of people in the UK call us americans, and use the adjective "american" when referring to things of us.  hell, so do a lot of japanese.  pretty much worldwide, "american" is understood to pertain to the US.  oh, point of fact, we are the United States of America.  "united states" is cumbersome, and does not work in some word combinations, so most everyone uses "american" instead.  "hey, when is that united statesian coming over to visit?"

edit:  i note that you have not looked into the implications of the international copyright treaties japan has signed onto.