The knife.

[Odin]

We fuckin' need one. Period.

[Ranger]

We fuckin' need one. Period.

Painsaw?

[Lava Croft]

We fuckin' need one. Period.

The blaster is very effective as a 'standard' weapon, a knife would only complicate things needlessly. Besides, like stated above, we got ourselves a fancy bzzing knife already

[Odin]

But you pay for that, and it's not as badass. I wanna fuckin' slice Dretches.

[Ranger]

But you pay for that, and it's not as badass. I wanna fuckin' slice Dretches.

You can't argue with that logic, Lava.

[Odin]

Yea, like that one guy who got his arm stuck underneath a boulder, and he cut it off with a pocket knife, then fights off a bear with one arm. That's badass.

[PIE]

Sword, axe crowbar would be neat... but you'll never convince them to add it since there is a painsaw already..

[Ranger]

crowbar

Oh hell yes.

[Bajsefar]

But i must say that the paisaw is just as badass against dretches as a knife would be; For once, i dont think the paisaw is easy to aim at that dretch, and you wouldn't have one arm free to fend off the dretch.

In my opinion, figting dretches with a painsaw is much like trying to kill flies with a chainsaw.

so... ..conclusion reached: the painsaw is WAY more badass against dretches than the knife will ever be, and just badass enough against tyrants.

[vcxzet]

I can imagine psycho humans trying to stap a dretch, running around like crazy.

[PHREAK]

How about a baseball bat?

Smack! right when he jumps at you.

Imagine the fun!

[next_ghost]

How about a baseball bat?

Smack! right when he jumps at you.

Imagine the fun!

Yeah! Aliens vs. Humans Dretchball match!

[Howitzer]

HOMERUN

[Stof]

How about a baseball bat?

Smack! right when he jumps at you.

Imagine the fun!

It reminds me of the Chaos mod for Quake 2. There was a "kick" key which you could use to kick around other players, ammo boxes, weapons, skulls and even rockets for the more adventurous lot.

And on that topic, 1 skull was generated for each frag in the game. There has been tales of CTF flag defenders playing a few soccer games between them with the skulls of fallen attackers

[Lava Croft]

Knives are for psychopaths.

[Odin]

Knives are for psychopaths.

Exactly. Who the hell would want to fight the aliens? Only an army of cloned psychopaths, of course.

[Juno]

crowbar

lol



as much as dretches look like headcrabs, this is not half life  

[Paradox]

Then dretches should have a horn on their feet, so you back into a dretch and they stab you through the chest.

[hodge]

Yet another stupid idea, the painsaw is the cheapest weapon you can buy at a ultra cheap $100 (exactly half of what you get for fragging a granger) and as others side the blaster is the only side weapon the humans need. A knife doesn't fit into the Tremulous world and no experienced player would use a melee weapon weaker then the extremly affordable painsaw. I mean what would you use it for when you can always get a painsaw?

Oh and the game doesn't need a advance painsaw.

[tomek-k]

I think kicking would be a great idea! Just like it was in Duke Nukem 3D
Imagine kicking a dretch that is jumping towards you!

And of course there should be some toilets (same as in DN 3D of course :wink: ) that you could kick to relieve your frustration

[Odin]

Yet another stupid idea, the painsaw is the cheapest weapon you can buy at a ultra cheap $100 (exactly half of what you get for fragging a granger) and as others side the blaster is the only side weapon the humans need. A knife doesn't fit into the Tremulous world and no experienced player would use a melee weapon weaker then the extremly affordable painsaw. I mean what would you use it for when you can always get a painsaw?

Oh and the game doesn't need a advance painsaw.

I suggested this because I thought it would be easy enough to implement, and that I thought it'd be pretty cool.

[TyrranzzX]

I'll take a combat shovel myself.  It'd be more effective for the range.

[|Nex|TrEmMa]

Or we could make the painsaw free.  That wouldn't affect balance in any way  what-so-ever.  Painsaws suck tbh imho lol irl.

I've always thought whacking aliens with my construction kit would be more effective than a blaster.  Of course I'd break it and have to go get a new one.  But it'd totally be worth it.

[Captain Ventris]

(exactly half of what you get for fragging a granger)

Hmm...I got 350 for killing a granger once.

[temple]

Painsaw can't be free, it would be too effective late game.  I wouldn't mind the painsaw being a holdable like the grenade or something so you can get a regular weapon + painsaw.  To balance, once you switch to it, you have to discard it to switch back to the regular weapon.

I can't think of a good situation for a knife outside of ammo-less egg killing.

[PHREAK]

If the Psawer could carry another weapon aside from the blaster, anyone playing tremma as a human would be extremly fucked.
Hell, I vote for tremma to be unable to buy a granade when he carries the saw, just to balance things out.

[Rippy]

I think kicking would be a great idea! Just like it was in Duke Nukem 3D
Imagine kicking a dretch that is jumping towards you!

And of course there should be some toilets (same as in DN 3D of course :wink: ) that you could kick to relieve your frustration

Yeah, breakable ceramic toilets is a must.

[|Nex|TrEmMa]

If the Psawer could carry another weapon aside from the blaster, anyone playing tremma as a human would be extremly fucked.
Hell, I vote for tremma to be unable to buy a granade when he carries the saw, just to balance things out.

And I vote to allow me to carry unlimited grenades.  I mean if you all fall on them to give me enough credits to afford 8 grenades (thats the max  can get with 2k credits minus saw, helmet, and armor ) it's not my fault   .

I'm willing to comprimise somewhere around double saw range though.

[tomek-k]

I'm willing to comprimise somewhere around double saw range though.

Yeah... The painsaw range is to small. Humans carying painsaw must get to close to an alien (I mean the smaller ones) to hurt it - the painsaw should give some insurance that attacking small aliens is less risky than attacking the bigger ones. All in all it is a painSAW, not a "painknife".

[Rippy]

I still think mouse2 of the painsaw should be a jab. You could jab every 3 seconds or so, and that'd momentarily multiply your range by something like 1.5, or even 2.

And temple... isn't painsaw ammo-less egg killing?