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Mario

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« on: September 18, 2006, 06:28:46 am »
Due to the recent events, we are now taking cheating/hacking accusations more seriously. If you suspect a cheater, then notify us immediately following these steps:


Take the following steps:

1] Start a demo using /record name or take screenshots.

(Demos are found in the Tremulous\base\demos directory)

2] Condump all text in the console using /condump name

(Condumps are found in the Treulous\base\ directory)

3] E-mail it to the following: TremAdmins@yahoogroups.com

- Server that the incident happened on.
- Time/Date of the incident.

If you have any questions than feel free to e-mail them there too.

As we begin to enter a dark age..anyone caught using illegal programs, unauthorized modified clients, etc.. will be banned on several servers immediately.
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2006, 08:02:03 am »
Who you gonna call?
Ghostbusters!
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Just make sure the right people are examining these tapes, don't want any Salem Witch Trials here.
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2006, 09:32:21 am »
Just wondering if you could add a few ideas on what to look out for, some tell tale signs etc.
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2006, 10:39:07 am »
If someone bocomes a goon in less than 1 minute of playing and without any kills - is it a cheat or is that possible?
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2006, 10:48:43 am »
What about exploiting patched bugs? From what I've seen, most people where it can be proven they are cheating are playing on old servers so they can cheat. Other people who get accused of cheating is usually because of their aim or because of lag (or because they didn't realize that it was an lcannon killing them and not a shotgun).
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2006, 10:57:26 am »
Quote from: "tomek-k"
If someone bocomes a goon in less than 1 minute of playing and without any kills - is it a cheat or is that possible?

There are several ways to do it yes. But humans have to die somehow. If they are goon in less than a minute and you are certain no humans died, then it's a bug/exploit/cheat.

Thigs you can do to get a goon with 0 kills :
- suicide/tk to lower your own kill count ( not really 0 kills but will show as such on the score board )
- do 50% of the damage on a human and having him killed by someone else ( either alien or human )
- do some damage to the human and having him finished by a turret/om or suicide in some way
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2006, 11:08:15 am »
Although it seems like a nice idea, i would like to know who is on this mailing list and who is in charge of checking that only allowed people can join the group (i.e. only Trem servers admins)... I dont like sending an email to people i dont know

I checked it on Yahoo, and i saw only 2 members with one single stupid message in the group.
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^Black

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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2006, 11:20:40 am »
Yea, I'd be kind of pissed if I got 50 kills in 10 minutes because the other team sucks, and then get banned for it.

I really only posted this to test my signature.
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2006, 12:13:46 pm »
If all servers would run the latest code, this wouldnt matter.
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Re: If you suspect Cheaters/Hacking
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2006, 12:26:41 pm »
Quote from: "Mario"
Due to the recent events, we are now taking cheating/hacking accusations more seriously.


What recent events and who are "we"?
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Juno

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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2006, 12:34:14 pm »
if you want to find some cheaters and ban them go to aliens ate my brain


the server is so old and as it has no admins everyone just uses it to cheat


goon scripts

insta kill dretches

screen being filled with " player name joined the aliens/humans" about 50 times , and it ends up kicking half the players



i think i shall contact the owners of the server :P
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2006, 01:35:00 pm »
Quote from: "next_ghost"
What recent events and who are "we"?

Exactly. How do we know you're not some cheaters who like to get new ideas from our reports?
Besides, what would you do if one of us shows you s/o is cheating? Nothing. The only solution if s/o cheats is to contact the admin of this server, they're the only people who can do something.
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2006, 01:41:24 pm »
1) BEcause mario is the one that helped organize the admins of the existing servers into a rather more or less unified front

2) if he stated what to look for he'd be giving away the tell tale signs that cheaters use in play and would make them change their tactics somewhat.

Ultimately I think what he's on about is stuff like the chompers HUD (gives goons a crosshair), persistent radar (regardless of having no helmet humans have radar) etc and so forth.

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Also the whole point of giving it to mario and whoever first is so the evidence can be distributed to ALL the servers instead of hoping the server it happened on doesn't get lazy and forget to let the rest of the server admins what to look out for and whose IP deserves an insta ban
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Mario

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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2006, 02:53:47 pm »
Quote from: "stahlsau"
Quote from: "next_ghost"
What recent events and who are "we"?

Exactly. How do we know you're not some cheaters who like to get new ideas from our reports?
Besides, what would you do if one of us shows you s/o is cheating? Nothing. The only solution if s/o cheats is to contact the admin of this server, they're the only people who can do something.



"We" as in trusted Server Operators and some Server Admins; TremDev's could also examine things in the background if they wished.

The admins that recieve the info are very trusted, if you send an e-mail to that e-mail that i gave you, it will foward it to all admins/operators on the mailing list, not just myself.
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stahlsau

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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2006, 04:02:48 pm »
hehe, ok. Would have helped if you gave that info in your first post ;)

Anyways, i'd like to know what exactly you will do if s/o posts a cheater or something. After all, they can change names much faster than you can ban them, and ips are in europe mostly dynamic ;)
The REAL thing admins/owner can do is updating the servers after bugfixes....and maybe ask timbo when the next release is done....when it's done when it's done when it's done... ;)
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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2006, 07:24:07 pm »
I trust you(the admins) will also do your utmost to insure that any bans given will be justified and that this will not be like votekicks on certain servers  :) I would not like to see the dedicated players punished for the ignorance of the masses. 8)

Though I have yet to see anything ingame that couldn't be explained by intuition and quick mousework I think it is a good idea to have a unified front to prevent cheaters from getting a foothold in tremulous.

On a side note cheers to all the admins(and naturally the devs) who make tremulous possible.
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2006, 07:59:32 pm »
start with
/sv_pure 1
it helps a lot
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2006, 08:01:19 pm »
The new cheating issue is not a matter of a bug exploit but rather the development of auto aim and aimbots.
If you're playing on unpatched servers, you do so at your own risk.
The new development is not a matter of patches but rather external software/code that allows a player increased accuracy and movement.
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Caveman

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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2006, 12:49:47 am »
Hmmm how did the Admins get selected?
This is the first time ever I hear of a united Admin.group.
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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2006, 01:02:51 am »
Quote from: "DarkRogue"
Ultimately I think what he's on about is stuff like the chompers HUD (gives goons a crosshair)

Oh man, that shouldn't be a cheat.  That should be a patch.
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Mario

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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2006, 01:04:45 am »
Quote from: "Caveman"
Hmmm how did the Admins get selected?
This is the first time ever I hear of a united Admin.group.


The group has been around a while now, we've been making decisions in the background. As for who, I selected mostly server operators of active servers and some, but not alot, of admins also.
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2006, 03:11:56 am »
Quote from: "Mario"
Quote from: "Caveman"
Hmmm how did the Admins get selected?
This is the first time ever I hear of a united Admin.group.


The group has been around a while now, we've been making decisions in the background. As for who, I selected mostly server operators of active servers and some, but not alot, of admins also.


in other words "We piss on Europe Caveman" :]

ps: yes, its a joke :P
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Caveman

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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2006, 03:31:38 am »
*GG* still pissed because you got muted? :P
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PwNz!

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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2006, 06:38:41 am »
ive done my research and found out that those with hacks cant use them on 90% of servers...so why dont you just ban them on that 10% of servers?..seems abit unfair to ban them on all servers...and you should contact all old server administrators and get them to update to the latest tjw svn thingo...then problem solved
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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2006, 08:00:51 am »
Ok, this is just theory.

As for a work around to the aimbot issue, somewhere in server side, it would have to track a players aim to make shots. There would be a difference between your best players aim and that of an aimbot, as the aimbot would lock on where as your best player wouldn't have the same skill to maintain the lock while moving. Using a reasonable margin of error, you should be able to locate someone using an aimbot and then have them kicked or gun locked or whatever.

Would it be possible??
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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2006, 08:13:08 am »
going OT...
Storma, nothing on the server-side can expose an aimbot, as the aiming is totally client-sided.
If the aimbot is not well done, or the FOV is to broad, you might be able to detect it by specing.
Besides from that, you are out of luck.

With wallhacks it's the same, except you need one to prove that the acused is using one. And then again only if he aims through walls, which any player with half a mind wont do.

If you want a fair game, you either employ Evilbalance with PunkBuster'n shit where no one cares about the false-positives, together with the total rape of your own computer, or you play on server where the Admins know what they are doing.

Any which way you go, be happy that Trem is not RTCW:ET as this game get now raped beyond recognition, if you doubt, head on over to nixcoders and have a look at eth. Hardwareban? pffff! Server-ban? lol, 2 seconds and your back on the server...

As i stated in another post, I don't believe in a hack/bot for Trem as the weapons with insta-hit are not available from the start.

What's possible is exploiting, so be sure to always run the latest version...
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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2006, 08:21:13 am »
auto ban on buy lasgun/shotgun/massdriver that will prevent aimbots
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« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2006, 08:46:50 am »
Quote from: "stahlsau"
Quote from: "next_ghost"
What recent events and who are "we"?

Exactly. How do we know you're not some cheaters who like to get new ideas from our reports?
Besides, what would you do if one of us shows you s/o is cheating? Nothing. The only solution if s/o cheats is to contact the admin of this server, they're the only people who can do something.


Uhm, wait... we are the admins  :P
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« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2006, 12:35:40 pm »
ok i was just playing on a server...this dude kills people with a shotty in the air......i got a demo of it...and i suspect he is also using wallhacks....i was hiding behind a box...1 minute later he comes on my radar and turns around the corner and behind the box and BAM... so should i send his name and the proof to that email?
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« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2006, 12:53:21 pm »
I don't see what's wrong with that. I do that quite often myself.
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