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Rawr

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What do you want to see in 1.2?
« on: October 10, 2006, 03:25:06 pm »
This thread is about what you want to see in the next version.

~I want to see mainly having more ban options, like !ban (name here) would ban by username, !ban 88.777.66.55 would ban by ip, !ban O1.32.t3.6d.6r would ban by mac. ban by guid would be nice too.
~more weapons
~human v human battles, possibly alien v alien. (ie red team v blue team)
~maps automatically update when program is running
~GUID is given to each download, so you dont need to download it later.
~log in screen, game accounts which you have to make here (tremulous.net)
~game ranking or frag rate (ie if you kill 50 people in a game, and die 25 times, your fragrate would be 200% or 2.0) visable for all to see.
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2006, 04:08:22 pm »
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~game ranking or frag rate (ie if you kill 50 people in a game, and die 25 times, your fragrate would be 200% or 2.0) visable for all to see.
That should probably be a damage given/damage recived type thing, cause you may have done most of the damage to playerX and a teammate actualy finished it off.

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Re: What do you want to see in 1.2?
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2006, 04:26:12 pm »
Quote from: "bazuka_poo"
This thread is about what you want to see in the next version.

~I want to see mainly having more ban options, like !ban (name here) would ban by username, !ban 88.777.66.55 would ban by ip, !ban O1.32.t3.6d.6r would ban by mac. ban by guid would be nice too.
~more weapons
~human v human battles, possibly alien v alien. (ie red team v blue team)
~maps automatically update when program is running
~GUID is given to each download, so you dont need to download it later.
~log in screen, game accounts which you have to make here (tremulous.net)
~game ranking or frag rate (ie if you kill 50 people in a game, and die 25 times, your fragrate would be 200% or 2.0) visable for all to see.

You cannot ban by MAC. Do not even think about it! It can't be done, and even if it could be done, it wouldn't work anyway. In fact, it is even less of a problem than IP ban. Ban by GUID would be of very limited use as long as you can generate a new GUID anytime you want.

And I don't like mandatory log in screens. At least, make it so that you can create an account from inside the game! EA makes crappy Battlefield games but they do not require you to create an account with a web browser!
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Vector_Matt

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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2006, 04:30:54 pm »
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You cannot ban by MAC. Do not even think about it! It can't be done, and even if it could be done, it wouldn't work anyway.
What's MAC stand for?

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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2006, 04:41:08 pm »
yes, you can ban by MAC address.

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2006, 04:47:07 pm »
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yes, you can ban by MAC address.

Care to explain how? Even on a moderatly complex LAN it doesn't work, and that even before the user found a way to change his MAC address.
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18 ) Make it too tough for the enemy to get in and you can't get out.

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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2006, 05:28:15 pm »
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Quote from: "Stof"
You cannot ban by MAC. Do not even think about it! It can't be done, and even if it could be done, it wouldn't work anyway.
What's MAC stand for?

Mmmm, couldn't find a good page explaining what are MAC addresses without too much technical details. There is a good page on wikipedia but with even more details than I cared for :D

MAC addresses are somewhat like IP but for the Ethernet protocol ( or for other too ). The basic idea is that each network card produced is assigned a MAC address at build time that doesn't change and that is unique. It is accomplished because the first part of the MAC address is assigned specificaly for those who build them ( you have some for IBM, some for Netgear etc ... )

There are many problems with that. First, MAC is purely an Ethernet tool. MAC addresses can only be read on a simple LAN because any router/switch will mask the MAC addresses of the network cards connected to it. The second is that despite the MAC address beeing assigned at build time, it is incredibly easy to change it.

For example, on windows XP, you can simply go to the device manager, open my network card properties and change it there. I'm sure it won't even need a reboot :) Not all cards can do it but nearly all do, and most often when they can't, it is a driver issue I would say.
urphy's rules of combat
8 ) Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy someone else to shoot at.
18 ) Make it too tough for the enemy to get in and you can't get out.

Rawr

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2006, 05:36:50 pm »
mac adress would be better then ip, its harder and takes more time to get a new one. when with ip all you have to do is reset your router, wich will allow you to reconnect to the server is less then 30 seconds. when with mac, you actually have to restart your computer. if your computer smart, there is a easier way. this turned into a war of words really quick  :o lets get back on topic shall we?

EDIT:sorry but you do not need to restart. my mistake
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2006, 06:33:16 pm »
It could be better, but there is no way for the game server to discover the MAC address of the user because such info does not get out on the internet :) It is useless.
urphy's rules of combat
8 ) Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy someone else to shoot at.
18 ) Make it too tough for the enemy to get in and you can't get out.

gareth

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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2006, 06:53:36 pm »
I would like the options menu to be assecible without starting a game, also i would like the radar fixed so u can use area portals.

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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2006, 06:55:49 pm »
First one is on SVN already I believe. The second one I agree! But it won't be done I think.
urphy's rules of combat
8 ) Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy someone else to shoot at.
18 ) Make it too tough for the enemy to get in and you can't get out.

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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2006, 08:04:31 pm »
MAC address (Media Access Control) bans are useless. First, you can't get the client's MAC unless he wants to tell you. Second, even if he tells you, you have no way to make sure it's real. He could simply send you random 48-bit number. Third, when somebody changes his MAC address, he can replace it with any 48-digit number he can think of. If you ban his whole IP subnet instead, he's gone for good (or at least until he finds a provider that doesn't use his old subnet as well, which might be quite hard in some countries).
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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2006, 11:00:33 pm »
MAC=Machine Code pretty much an ip given to your comp.

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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2006, 11:24:11 pm »
flying aliens  :dretch:  :dretch:  :dretch:  :dretch:  :dretch:

ok, seriously... i'd like to see a voteable 15min ban... would do alot more to help with greifers
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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2006, 11:26:22 pm »
i'd like better kill tracking (because of kill stealers) and more alien classes as well as human weapons. plus give us something more useless than a luci that lookes better so n00bs with it are easier to kill (jk). plus, an official Apple version and better radar. plus make the before game setup nicer and online stat tracking and accounts would be nice. Just keep it free of cost tho

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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2006, 11:33:39 pm »
More secondary fire options with the weapons.  The mass driver sucks as a sniping weapon, yet its the only one with a zoom function.
n the ongoing battle between the ground and the plane
the ground is yet to lose.

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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2006, 11:34:16 pm »
-I don't think log in and registering isn't that good idea... I mean... some people doesn't really want to spend their time trying to register when they don't even know what this game is about
-but I do agree with human vs human and alien vs alien (I WANT TO PLAY THAT SO MUCH!)
-I also want some of those other game modes, like capture the flag, last survivor, missions, "galatic conquest"(it's from starwars battlefront), and other stuff
-new weapons would also be good, but I don't think they are making any new weapons... right?

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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2006, 11:56:52 pm »
Quote from: "benplaut"

ok, seriously... i'd like to see a voteable 15min ban... would do alot more to help with greifers


On SST Trem, our kicks, even vote ones, are 30 min.

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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2006, 12:16:42 am »
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More secondary fire options with the weapons.  The mass driver sucks as a sniping weapon, yet its the only one with a zoom function.


yea.... there's really no reason the lasgun shouldn't have it.  Being able to single-shot (very fast shots) with the pulse would be super cool, albeit not likely it would happen  8)

I wish more servers would do like Paradox says SST does... it's a good policy  :)
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2006, 01:28:56 am »
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yea.... there's really no reason the lasgun shouldn't have it.

I second that.  The lasgun would be a much better sniping weapon than the mass driver.
n the ongoing battle between the ground and the plane
the ground is yet to lose.

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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2006, 01:40:09 am »
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~I want to see mainly having more ban options, like !ban (name here) would ban by username, !ban 88.777.66.55 would ban by ip, !ban O1.32.t3.6d.6r would ban by mac. ban by guid would be nice too.
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you can already ban by ip, and all bans are by guid
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~maps automatically update when program is running

downloading stuff without user input is a bad idea
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~GUID is given to each download, so you dont need to download it later.
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you don't download a guid, you download tjw's client, which contains many bugfixes and some features, cl_guid has been in svn for more than a month.
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~log in screen, game accounts which you have to make here (tremulous.net)

this isn't very practical (or useful for that matter)
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~game ranking or frag rate (ie if you kill 50 people in a game, and die 25 times, your fragrate would be 200% or 2.0) visable for all to see.

this has been discussed many times, and aside from the lack of screen space to put it in, people have come to the consenus that it's a bad idea
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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2006, 02:04:05 am »
Also the existing command is /ban <name> in console.

Just a sidenote it isn't a kick when they're banned for 30 minutes, also it defeats the point of the kick function as its originally intended.

Having a central server for login/stats isn't gonna happen for a long time and it isn't really practical, more like a gimmick if you look at BF2.

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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2006, 04:38:25 am »
if you have ever played americas army. it has basically the best login system EVER. admins can make it if they want, one person can NEVER come into their server again. then theres punkbuster but thats never gonna happen for trem. in AA you can ban by name, mac and ip. and through PB you can do GUID, subnet, ip, username, mac, clan tag. thats alot of things to ban by. in aa it actualy takes time to change your name. you have to pick the name you want, then they send you verifaction email, then you pick name and new password, then you have to log into the game again. anyways, trem is never going to see that stuff. what most admins want with trembot is to see more ban options and more integrated commands so you dont have to get the mods for it. i would like something like this: !banname <username>, !banmac 24:j3:3kg:32:32, !banip 123.456.789:0123

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~game ranking or frag rate (ie if you kill 50 people in a game, and die 25 times, your fragrate would be 200% or 2.0) visable for all to see.

this has been discussed many times, and aside from the lack of screen space to put it in, people have come to the consenus that it's a bad idea


you dont need it to be on screen, once again another thing that would be handy for a login screen. it would be best to do it on the main screen so you dont have to do that. despite the fact that there is actually plenty of room to have that. IE under the time, left top screen, small text under evos/credits.... etc etc
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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2006, 05:31:08 am »
I don't play Americas Army anymore because of that freaking annoying punkbuster, and ALSO because I had to do the FREAKING TRAINING AGAIN! I WASTED LIKE, WEEKS TO BECOME A SF, AIRBORNE, AND A MEDIC! AAAAAH!
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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2006, 06:29:13 am »
Ontopic: I want my next map, the one from the "no words" thread, implemented in Trem ;)
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« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2006, 07:10:05 am »
I'd like to see the jetpack changed.

I'd like to see it repkaced with a backwield teleportation- engine, which would have a limited air-time, but the ability to warp (teleport, like blink in warcraft 3) a short distance in the direction you aim.

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« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2006, 04:02:38 pm »
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I'd like to see the jetpack changed.

I'd like to see it repkaced with a backwield teleportation- engine, which would have a limited air-time, but the ability to warp (teleport, like blink in warcraft 3) a short distance in the direction you aim.


doesnt it have that in unreal tournement too?
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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2006, 06:53:47 pm »
Thats the relocator, you leave it somewhere and warp back to it.

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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2006, 09:20:18 pm »
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« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2006, 09:28:22 pm »
MAC addresses can be spoofed easily.
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