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pyrax

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« on: November 21, 2006, 04:15:51 am »
Bad building.  Everyone's seen it done but to varying degrees.  I'm calling for a precedent to be set here.

We all hate it when people decon our bases but, lately, I've been having games where griefers (not just noobs) have been purposefully building bad bases.  This is after trying to talk them out of building or trying to show them how to build a "good" base.  And by "bad" base I don't mean a noob sort of making a non-optimal turret configuration.  I mean purposely stupid building up to and including deconning legitimate builder's placements.

As a fer-instance, I was just in BG as aliens and someone kept rebuilding our OM in the original base and surrounding it with floor trappers.  Now, obviously, this isn't just some newbie that doesn't know how to build.  He kept ignoring our team and kept stealing back BP's to fuel his useless trapper base.

I tried to vote kick him twice but it failed both times, presumably from human votes.  What I'm proposing is that this sort of griefing be bannable... or at the very least I'd like to get people to understand that this does happen and that "teaching the 'noob' how to build" doesn't cut it.
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2006, 05:51:17 am »
I've been having massive issues with this lately on BG and sometimes on Boom Boom.

It ussually happens when I come back to base and see what the builder has done.
I ask him how his building skills are and I don't get an answer so I politely tell him that I'll take over so he can either watch or dretch.
This is when trouble starts.
The second I finish the base, the player goes to decon everything I juts made and turn it into side baricades and floor trappers.
So I go torebuild it all back before the s2/s3 humans come storming in and the person starts fighting over BP's, saying that I'm a deconner and attempts to kick me or get me banned.
Now this doesnt works since I'm kinda fairly known on the servers I play on so the person leaves but the damage is already done and before you know it, the half-assed base gets overrun by hummies.

I know this isn't a case of new players attempting to build but rather someone who knows what they are doing. The noob builder will more often then not listen to you and watch you build to pick up building points.
Someone who tries to kick you the second you notice what he's doing with the BP's is nothing more then a quiet griefer looking to mess-up the game somehow.
This also prevents those players from getting the ban since many times they claim to be new.
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2006, 09:04:06 am »
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2006, 01:21:38 pm »
!denybuild
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pyrax

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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2006, 03:49:39 pm »
Yes, yes, !denybuild, I know.  What I'm asking is that when there are no admins on the server (or no !denybuild for them) that people recognize that this behaviour is happening and allow kicking.

In other words, classify this as a form of griefing not just noob building and treat people that do it accordingly.

Lava: Your offer is tempting but I get crap ping on SatGNU unfortunately.  :-?
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2006, 05:06:17 pm »
*shrugs* talk to the Admins of the servers if that does not help, dont play on unattended servers.
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2006, 05:08:56 pm »
Quote from: "pyrax"
I tried to vote kick him twice but it failed both times, presumably from human votes.


Ever thought about teamvotes? Just helping  :roll:  :P
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2006, 05:55:41 pm »
Someone built a wall of armories at one of the Niveus entrances on BoomBoom the other day.  Serek PL.
And I played two games yesterday where alien builders moved to the middle on ATCS...
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2006, 08:09:13 pm »
I was Alien on SST when someone moved the reactor in Karith onto a crate in the same room.
Even easier to get at, harder to defend, and he did it twice in one game.
I had to leave but I think Aliens won that one.
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2006, 08:16:41 pm »
I've seen worse, some time ago.
Can you imagine alien team actually encouraging such builder so they can continue their skirmishing?
They, fortunately, lost the game.. yelling about noob builders, stupid players, idiotic spectators, griefers, blaming each other for not building.. you get the idea. :-?
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pyrax

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2006, 09:10:42 pm »
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Quote from: "pyrax"
I tried to vote kick him twice but it failed both times, presumably from human votes.


Ever thought about teamvotes? Just helping  :roll:  :P

I've been told that teamvotes are "broken."  I presumed that meant they don't work, am I wrong?  If I am wrong then, yes, I'll be using teamvotes in the future.
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2006, 12:27:15 am »
They work... but the problem is nobody has binds set up to actually vote on them by default unless the server is running a mod to allow 'vote yes' to function for 'teamvote yes' as well.

The issue is that 'callteamvote' requires 'teamvote' to answer, not the normal 'vote' unfortunately.
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pyrax

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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2006, 12:37:37 am »
That's rather funny.  You'd think the default binds for f1/f2 would be for both...

I'll be switching mine now in any case.
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2006, 12:39:00 am »
Universal binds:

/bind f1 "teamvote yes;vote yes"
/bind f2 "teamvote no;vote no"
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2006, 03:36:03 am »
I can tell you now that the BG server doesn't let us admins use denybuild and allowbuild (we don't have those commands), but that isn't the problem. Maybe you could talk to Shafe about becoming an admin because most of us don't play that early in the morning.
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|Nex|TrEmMa

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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2006, 05:59:56 am »
Do teamvotes actually call it on the right person?
It's been awhile since I called one but I remember them not always doing who you picked in the list.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2006, 06:05:34 am »
Quote from: "|Nex|TrEmMa"
Do teamvotes actually call it on the right person?
It's been awhile since I called one but I remember them not always doing who you picked in the list.


Thats why I like being an admin.  So I don't kick my self with the team vote system.
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2006, 08:44:27 am »
Yeah.. you were probably in that game with the guy who built trappers on the floor all over the place sucking up all the buildpoints as soon as the OM was up and we were trying to hide eggs...
also a lot of early game decons without asking or request for backup in the name of "moving".
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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2006, 10:22:04 pm »
happened to me too, but i was a human. The human base was getting attacked by s3 aliens and some guy started deconing my Turrets and building teslas outside the base.
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« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2006, 10:38:51 pm »
I can't remember the server, but some guy on ATCS built a wall of barricades blocking the front entrance, which, although blocking humans from getting in, almost got one of our goons killed. Then he built a floor trapper in front of it. We promptly kicked him, only 1 vote against it.
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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2006, 10:51:22 pm »
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I can't remember the server, but some guy on ATCS built a wall of barricades blocking the front entrance, which, although blocking humans from getting in, almost got one of our goons killed. Then he built a floor trapper in front of it. We promptly kicked him, only 1 vote against it.


Ehrm... what goon is unable to get over some barricades? iirc stacking barricades is not possible ...
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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2006, 10:55:21 pm »
Quote from: "Caveman"
Quote from: "stalefries"
I can't remember the server, but some guy on ATCS built a wall of barricades blocking the front entrance, which, although blocking humans from getting in, almost got one of our goons killed. Then he built a floor trapper in front of it. We promptly kicked him, only 1 vote against it.


Ehrm... what goon is unable to get over some barricades? iirc stacking barricades is not possible ...

I don't think there is enouth space between the baricades and the ceiling in the entrance of the alien base in ATCS :)
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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2006, 12:26:53 am »
i didnt think anything of this



until someone on Niveus built 2 eggs over the pit thingys where u die instantly , and proceeded to decon the rest of the eggs
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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2006, 02:25:07 am »
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i didnt think anything of this



until someone on Niveus built 2 eggs over the pit thingys where u die instantly , and proceeded to decon the rest of the eggs


Niveus??? :eek:  :eek:  :eek:
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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2006, 02:31:31 am »
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i didnt think anything of this



until someone on Niveus built 2 eggs over the pit thingys where u die instantly , and proceeded to decon the rest of the eggs
You've never seen grangers build eggs in the human base on arachnid2? I've seen that like 6 or so times in the past few weeks, and only once it seemingly worked (though I'm inclined the blame the fact that there were a few goons in the human base tearing it up at the time).

That's just asking for a :armoury:+:medstat: combo right next to the eggs.
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« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2006, 02:33:36 am »
Oh come on, for teamvotes to work, just rebind your vote bind to be:
bind F1 "vote yes; teamvote yes"
bind F2 "vote no; teamvote no"

That does it.
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« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2006, 02:36:39 am »
Quote from: "Caveman"
Quote from: "stalefries"
I can't remember the server, but some guy on ATCS built a wall of barricades blocking the front entrance, which, although blocking humans from getting in, almost got one of our goons killed. Then he built a floor trapper in front of it. We promptly kicked him, only 1 vote against it.


Ehrm... what goon is unable to get over some barricades? iirc stacking barricades is not possible ...


Ehrm... LMFAO :roll:

On topic: dont play []=Random seed, it doesnt even have the tjw admin system...and even worse, when ppl get vote kicked they can reconnect almost instantly D:
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« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2006, 03:06:04 pm »
And this is why I only play on servers where I can ban people. :D
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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2006, 04:02:03 pm »
MWA, you sound like someone that does that a lot... :D
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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2006, 04:12:14 pm »
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MWA, you sound like someone that does that a lot... :D

That's why all the profound crosshair-users play on AW!  :D
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