Target date/goals for Tremulous release?

[Risujin]

I noticed that it is primarily TJW running SVN updates now. Who is responsible for releasing new client versions? Is Timbo around? Is there a timetable, plan, or set of goals for the next version (i.e. feature freeze)?

The reason I ask is because I split Balance mod into something like 10 patches last night and I plan to spam bugzilla with them later tonight. Balance mod has some battle-tested enhancements that would be good for Tremulous base. At the very least the radar and chat bubbles should be seriously considered.

[vcxzet]

:O

[Risujin]

:O

SVN qualifies the :O condition for the :O release but can we add the :O feature to meet the :O timetable in time for :O, or do we need more :O before we :O the :O with the :O? Oh :O it...

[rasz_pl]

I just like to point out that my radar is better and allready in bugzilla as a patch :]
seriously Risujin try it for a day. It lets you CLEARLY see what is a unit and what is a buildable, and the distance is way more readable.

[Risujin]

I just like to point out that my radar is better and allready in bugzilla as a patch :]
seriously Risujin try it for a day. It lets you CLEARLY see what is a unit and what is a buildable, and the distance is way more readable.

Afraid of a little competition?

[rasz_pl]

I just like to point out that my radar is better and allready in bugzilla as a patch :]
seriously Risujin try it for a day. It lets you CLEARLY see what is a unit and what is a buildable, and the distance is way more readable.

Afraid of a little competition?

no, I just played with my radar for a few days, then tried balance (ignoring 160 ping:/) and hated the radar, then went back to normal trem and HATED the radar even more . Besides its the SAME CODE () + 8 lines to make units/buildables more prominent, and distance clearer. Now that I know how good and informative the radar can be I am dying (in my head ) every time I play alien

[vcxzet]

I just like to point out that my radar is better and allready in bugzilla as a patch :]
seriously Risujin try it for a day. It lets you CLEARLY see what is a unit and what is a buildable, and the distance is way more readable.

Afraid of a little competition?

no, I just played with my radar for a few days, then tried balance (ignoring 160 ping:/) and hated the radar, then went back to normal trem and HATED the radar even more . Besides its the SAME CODE () + 8 lines to make units/buildables more prominent, and distance clearer. Now that I know how good and informative the radar can be I am dying (in my head ) every time I play alien

your radar is ugly and if admins catch anyone using it, he/she will be banned

[rasz_pl]

your radar is ugly and if admins catch anyone using it, he/she will be banned

1 how red and blue dots can be ugly?
2 how red and blue dots that give you MORE information than the default ones, while still being red and blue dots can be ugly?
3 I was the admin, so WTF are you talking about?

better stop trolling and go back to http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2832 , its the idea of the year and seriously NEEDS to be implemented.

[Timbo]

The reason I ask is because I split Balance mod into something like 10 patches last night and I plan to spam bugzilla with them later tonight.

Please don't.

[Risujin]

The reason I ask is because I split Balance mod into something like 10 patches last night and I plan to spam bugzilla with them later tonight.

Please don't.

Then shouldn't you remove all enhancements (such as rasz's radar) from bugzilla? I am not talking about uploading patches changing tyrant range here. :evil:

If you are not interested in changing the client code, say so and the rest of us won't waste our time.

[Undeference]

If they are actual enhancements / bug fixes that would be useful in Tremulous (not just balance mod), then go ahead. Otherwise, please don't.

[vcxzet]

your radar is ugly and if admins catch anyone using it, he/she will be banned

1 how red and blue dots can be ugly?
2 how red and blue dots that give you MORE information than the default ones, while still being red and blue dots can be ugly?
3 I was the admin, so WTF are you talking about?

better stop trolling and go back to http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2832 , its the idea of the year and seriously NEEDS to be implemented.

how come admin catches you using it ?
lol

[rasz_pl]

This thread gets more and more Fd up

your radar is ugly and if admins catch anyone using it, he/she will be banned

1 how red and blue dots can be ugly?
2 how red and blue dots that give you MORE information than the default ones, while still being red and blue dots can be ugly?
3 I was the admin, so WTF are you talking about?

better stop trolling and go back to http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2832 , its the idea of the year and seriously NEEDS to be implemented.

how come admin catches you using it ?
lol

ok, WTF are you talking about? speak up or STFU.

The reason I ask is because I split Balance mod into something like 10 patches last night and I plan to spam bugzilla with them later tonight.

Please don't.

WTFx2???

[Risujin]

If they are actual enhancements / bug fixes that would be useful in Tremulous (not just balance mod), then go ahead. Otherwise, please don't.

You people insult me! Everything in Balance mod is useful in Tremulous!
Ok maybe not but the patches in question are:

• Enable limited 3rd person mode
• Chat bubbles + graphics
• Construction kit effects + cooldown
• Donate command
• Improved cg_disableWarningDialogs
• !slap + sound effect (no ones seen this yet hehe)
• Radar patch + graphics
• Zoom using +zoom AND right mouse button

The rest are the "questionable" patches which I would NOT put on bugzilla:

• Telenode teleportation
• Devolution
• Tranqsaw
• Bile dretch
• New voting system
• Balance-specific tweaks

ok, WTF are you talking about? speak up or STFU.

rasz your Trem patches kick ass and I don't want a flame war developing here. We have two different radars and we each prefer our own (duh). I doubt either of our new radars will be used in a new Tremulous version anyway. Timbo will ultimately decide, its his baby and if he wants an ugly radar so be it.

The reason I ask is because I split Balance mod into something like 10 patches last night and I plan to spam bugzilla with them later tonight.

Please don't.

WTFx2???

I'd think he assumed I was uploading balance-tweaking patches. I don't think hes even looked at the Balance mod thread much less played it...

[Undeference]

Zoom using +zoom AND right mouse button

If that were wanted, it wouldn't have been removed in the first place.

[kevlarman]

Enable limited 3rd person mode

If you had paid attention to the forums, you would know that this was decided against due to the ability to look around corners

Chat bubbles + graphics

i don't think this is gonna happen, but i have nothing against it.

Construction kit effects + cooldown

not sure what this is.

Donate command

not gonna happen (and if it did, /share is better)

Improved cg_disableWarningDialogs

first patch that's really worth submitting, but i think there's already a similar patch in there

!slap + sound effect (no ones seen this yet hehe)

OBJECTION

Radar patch + graphics

not sure about this one

Zoom using +zoom AND right mouse button

svn isn't the current version of tremulous, it's the development version, and doesn't need backwards compatibility (and as undeference pointed out, it would have been trivial to do this at the time of the change if they thought it was a good idea).

[vcxzet]

tremx is better
tremx is better
tremx is better
at least I am not trying to balance/fix tremulous
moreover I add more bugs and break the balance more

tremulous fun because it is unbalanced if it was balanced it would be ....
really boring

and tremulous need more fun like
vehicles (small ones : like carrier granger )
more mobile buildables
and some shitloads of new stuff that makes the use of menus harder
and custom layouts per map
and your favorite blah feature

[Risujin]

Enable limited 3rd person mode

If you had paid attention to the forums, you would know that this was decided against due to the ability to look around corners

Well I paid attention to not only those threads but actual games played with this. It is not practical to cheat with it. Yes you can see around corners but you have to be right at the corner to do it. Big advantage? I dont think so.

Chat bubbles + graphics

i don't think this is gonna happen, but i have nothing against it.

Players love it.

Construction kit effects + cooldown

not sure what this is.

Using the construction kit makes blue sparks. The cooldown modification allows you to cooldown the ckit when your blaster is out.

Donate command

not gonna happen (and if it did, /share is better)

What, are they mutually exclusive?

Improved cg_disableWarningDialogs

first patch that's really worth submitting, but i think there's already a similar patch in there

This is an improvement on it, hence "improved". It allows you to block out "you must be ... " and "unknown class" etc messages with cg_disableWarningDialogs by turning them into Tremulous menu events as they should have been to begin with. Of course you need a client modification as well.

!slap + sound effect (no ones seen this yet hehe)

OBJECTION

Its from ET. I think admins would beg to differ.

Radar patch + graphics

not sure about this one

Look at it in Balance mod thread and then comment.

Zoom using +zoom AND right mouse button

svn isn't the current version of tremulous, it's the development version, and doesn't need backwards compatibility (and as undeference pointed out, it would have been trivial to do this at the time of the change if they thought it was a good idea).

When backward compatibility is trivial it should be done, don't you think?

Kevlarman if it were up to you, SVN would be frozen permanently. These patches have been tested and the feedback has been all positive.

[vcxzet]

flame++

[Risujin]

at least I am not trying to balance/fix tremulous
moreover I add more bugs and break the balance more

FYI the patches Im considering for SVN (ironically) do not affect game balance.

EDIT:

flame++

Quit trolling my threads.

[kevlarman]

Chat bubbles + graphics

i don't think this is gonna happen, but i have nothing against it.

Players love it.

that's why i mentioned that i had nothing against it, but i have heard enough people say they didn't like the idea that i don't consider it likely.

Using the construction kit makes blue sparks.

good idea

The cooldown modification allows you to cooldown the ckit when your blaster is out.

i believe that this is intentional

Donate command

not gonna happen (and if it did, /share is better)

What, are they mutually exclusive?

they aren't, but that doesn't change the fact that several devs are against it.

!slap + sound effect (no ones seen this yet hehe)

OBJECTION

Its from ET. I think admins would beg to differ.

weren't you complaining about admin abuse just a few days ago? this command might be fun, but i don't think it has any place in tremulous.

Radar patch + graphics

not sure about this one

Look at it in Balance mod thread and then comment.

i would like to have radar show friendly units for aliens, but i was replying from a "how likely it is to get accepted" standpoint

Zoom using +zoom AND right mouse button

svn isn't the current version of tremulous, it's the development version, and doesn't need backwards compatibility (and as undeference pointed out, it would have been trivial to do this at the time of the change if they thought it was a good idea).

When backward compatibility is trivial it should be done, don't you think?

Kevlarman if it were up to you, SVN would be frozen permanently. These patches have been tested and the feedback has been all positive.

there is no reason for the +zoom command to exist for a single weapon, i agree that any mods built from svn should add +zoom to work now, but the next release should get rid of it. edit: if it were up to me, we would have had 2 or 3 releases by now just for the bugfixes in svn.

[Risujin]

The cooldown modification allows you to cooldown the ckit when your blaster is out.

i believe that this is intentional

I guess its a balance change then.

Donate command

not gonna happen (and if it did, /share is better)

What, are they mutually exclusive?

they aren't, but that doesn't change the fact that several devs are against it.

Several devs?

weren't you complaining about admin abuse just a few days ago? this command might be fun, but i don't think it has any place in tremulous.

Yes I was, but this command is hillarious. Admins have the option to disable it so we'll let them judge who can and can't. That was the verdict from the abuse thread anyway.

Chat bubbles + graphics

i don't think this is gonna happen, but i have nothing against it.

Players love it.

that's why i mentioned that i had nothing against it, but i have heard enough people say they didn't like the idea that i don't consider it likely.

i would like to have radar show friendly units for aliens, but i was replying from a "how likely it is to get accepted" standpoint

I think "theyre not likely to use it" isnt a reason not to put it in. If its there to tempt 'em, maybe someone will come around.

Either way, lets let the devs decide.

there is no reason for the +zoom command to exist for a single weapon, i agree that any mods built from svn should add +zoom to work now, but the next release should get rid of it.

Thats true but you can say that about a LOT of code in Tremulous. There are a lot of Quake 3 appendices hanging around still (do a search for rail gun...).

edit: if it were up to me, we would have had 2 or 3 releases by now just for the bugfixes in svn.

Ok, ok, Im sorry.

[rasz_pl]

Enable limited 3rd person mode

If you had paid attention to the forums, you would know that this was decided against due to the ability to look around corners

Imo its a MUST HAVE feature for the spectators, using it as a player could be toggleable by server ops.

Chat bubbles + graphics

i don't think this is gonna happen, but i have nothing against it.

I love the idea, just add the ability for a player to toggle if he wants to show the bubble to others and does he want to see others bubbles and it will be perfect.

Improved cg_disableWarningDialogs

first patch that's really worth submitting, but i think there's already a similar patch in there

my patch only made this option REALLY disable warning dialogs, Risujin version makes ALL the server spam act according to this option, its a MUST. Now I use custom client binary and filter every single server spam like "must be near power to blablabla" :/. This server makes the game act like its suppesed to in the first place.

ok, WTF are you talking about? speak up or STFU.

rasz your Trem patches kick ass and I don't want a flame war developing here. We have two different radars and we each prefer our own (duh). I doubt either of our new radars will be used in a new Tremulous version anyway. Timbo will ultimately decide, its his baby and if he wants an ugly radar so be it.

erm, why do you answer to the question that was directed towards TROLL? and for the hundreds time, my radar is a patch on your patch so its your patch .. but mine

[PIE]

I deleted tremma's post
He simply quoted everything so far. It was hideously long and was nothing but spam. Please never do that again.

I deleted kozak6's post.. which quoted tremma's post.. thank you for adding to the problem, don't do it agian.

Deleted the 2 posts talking about how tremma spammed.. because they were spam and the spam was deleted so it just made them more spammy.

Deleted tremma spamming again.

Deleted some more spam..

Doom agent thought he'd be real original and quote kozak...
STOP SPAMMING WTF..LEARN HOW TO USE THE INTERNET!

[stalefries]

Deleted PIE's post about deleting non-existent spam... oh, wait.

[|Nex|TrEmMa]

I deleted tremma's post
He simply quoted everything so far. It was hideously long and was nothing but spam. Please never do that again.

I deleted kozak6's post.. which quoted tremma's post.. thank you for adding to the problem, don't do it agian.

Deleted the 2 posts talking about how tremma spammed.. because they were spam and the spam was deleted so it just made them more spammy.

Deleted tremma spamming again.

Deleted some more spam..

Doom agent thought he'd be real original and quote kozak...
STOP SPAMMING WTF..LEARN HOW TO USE THE INTERNET!

Oh c'mon, you favoritist mods letting the other spammer (vcx) keep his posts .

[PIE]

Oh c'mon, you favoritist mods letting the other spammer (vcx) keep his posts .

His spams are usually pretty small, and sometimes humorous. Yours was massive and inspired people to simply quote you over and over again, destroying the thread and ripping a hole in the internet, causing a breach in the space time continuum and putting all of our lives in peril.
I hate deleting things like that.. but you left me no choice... i did it.. because i care..
 :wink:

[|Nex|TrEmMa]

Mine was humorous.  I was making fun of the people who were writing essays arguing over nonsense .
It's not like I said "This thread is now a quote pyramid game. Go!"

[Undeference]

This is a much more humorous approach that isn't irritating at the same time.

[squishy]

*Hugz