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« on: March 20, 2007, 12:50:27 am »
I stardted development to ease the task of creating and managing an admin.dat. It is currently non-functional, only a gui, but I will continue to work on it. If it is beyond the scope of the language, or time, i will drop it, but i do not plan to. Here are some dev shots so far:


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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2007, 01:05:17 am »
Looks nice.

I'm assuming C# (or other .net) so no linux version?

One thing, some mods add new flags for there commands.
It would be nice if the list of flags was in a file so it could be customized easily, and would be more future proof.
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2007, 01:07:32 am »
Will this be editable through server via rcon :D

My host won't give me Ftp  :cry:
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2007, 04:32:49 am »
its local, has to open/generate file.

Its actually visual basic, since i dont want to fuck around too hard with c# for a small project.
As for mods adding flags, they can be entered into the permissions field on the dialog, the text one. The checkboxes will tie to the field, and populate it, but the field is what gets parsed to the data.
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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2007, 04:39:46 am »
Damn, if you ever release the source I might try to translate it to python. Then again the last time I read some Vb I nearly killed myself.
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2007, 04:44:40 am »
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its local, has to open/generate file.

Its actually visual basic, since i dont want to fuck around too hard with c# for a small project.
As for mods adding flags, they can be entered into the permissions field on the dialog, the text one. The checkboxes will tie to the field, and populate it, but the field is what gets parsed to the data.

Awes, Good work though  :wink:
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2007, 08:04:45 am »
bah, stupid microsoft coding :| it would be nice if it worked for linux too as I think more than half of the servers runs on linux.
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2007, 02:19:29 pm »
Doesn't Real Software have a MSVB to Real Basic converter? RB compiles to Linux.
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2007, 02:41:39 pm »
just use mono.
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2007, 09:45:02 pm »
As i said, this is about on the middle-back burner, and i dont even know if i get it done. I could build the interface, then upload the prj file for someone else to use.
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2007, 01:06:17 am »
it would be cool if you managed to also make it so this could be implimented to a website for better administration. :) Or, so it will connect to a server somehow and drag the necessary things from the admin.dat (and of course, you'd need to have a username and password). then you could assign rights and the such.
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2007, 01:07:48 am »
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it would be cool if you managed to also make it so this could be implimented to a website for better administration. :)


Now THAT is a project.
phpTremAdmin :p
Some cool config tool for admin.dat, server.cfg and all that.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2007, 02:32:13 am »
If I can get the time I'm sure that I could write something in QT. Aparently there is libraries that can be installed so that it can be compiled in Visual Basic.

Time is a precious commodity though
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2007, 02:55:56 am »
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it would be cool if you managed to also make it so this could be implimented to a website for better administration. :)


Now THAT is a project.
phpTremAdmin :p
Some cool config tool for admin.dat, server.cfg and all that.

I'v got something like that, web editing for the files and such, :)
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2007, 03:18:50 am »
Yea, i have an ajax text editor, but nothing complicated.
We could work with some people, i know some tools from the DoJo toolkit that could be used.
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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2007, 05:22:45 am »
Wow This looks really nice...
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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2007, 01:35:28 pm »
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just use mono.


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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2007, 01:54:32 pm »
umm.. I'm not trying to troll here but I don't really understand the purpose of this program. Why ? What's wrong with Notepad/PsPad/UltraEdit/vi/vim/jed/kate/gedit/etc ? If I find the reason strong enough I might make a php/gtk front end to edit it.
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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2007, 01:56:37 pm »
OMG! its a text configuration file!!! *noob dies from shock*
Some people are just thick.
Those people shouldn't have access to a server, but sadly some do.
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2007, 02:09:04 pm »
Wait,

are you seriously trying to tell me I have to edit some wierd .dat file manually using notepad? I dont get it. It's not a .txt so how do you expect me to open and change what's inside? How will I know what to do?

Thank god paradox has made this tool, otherwise I would never be able to do anything to my admin.dat

Good thing he made it in Visual Basic too, that way I can be sure that when my friend sends me the file (admin.vbs) I can rest assured it's safe and sound to run as administrator on my computer.

Thanks so much for your hard work paradox!

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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2007, 03:08:43 pm »
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I'm not trying to troll here but I don't really understand the purpose of this program. Why ? What's wrong with Notepad/PsPad/UltraEdit/vi/vim/jed/kate/gedit/etc ?
Why is because some people find it difficult to remember what a few dozen symbols stand for. What's "i" mean? It means "!listplayers"... not exactly intuitive.
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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2007, 03:25:41 pm »
Its here for many reasons:
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    Why is because some people find it difficult to remember what a few dozen symbols stand for. What's "i" mean? It means "!listplayers"... not exactly intuitive.
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    While yes you can edit a dat file in any text editor, this is a tool to provide assistance. While it isnt he most powerful tool for the job (imagine building a whole site in emacs), it is the WYSIWYG tool, the simpler interface that doesnt have access to all the features, but provides quick and easy access to most of them. Even if you dont use it pro actively, you can use it to look up what flag does what.
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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2007, 06:34:22 pm »
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Why is because some people find it difficult to remember what a few dozen symbols stand for. What's "i" mean? It means "!listplayers"... not exactly intuitive.


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wget -qO - http://tjw.org/tremulous/ADMIN.txt |grep whatever

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Easier to search through admins


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grep -C 5 -B 0 "\[admin\]" .tremulous/base/admin.dat |grep whatever

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Easier to search through bans


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grep -C 8 -B 0 "\[ban\]" .tremulous/base/admin.dat |grep whatever

GUIs start failing at a few hundred records. Grep and VIM don't mind.
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« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2007, 02:35:28 am »
the censorship department will only let you continue if you make a mac port!
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« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2007, 05:00:09 pm »
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Why is because some people find it difficult to remember what a few dozen symbols stand for. What's "i" mean? It means "!listplayers"... not exactly intuitive.


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wget -qO - http://tjw.org/tremulous/ADMIN.txt |grep whatever

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Easier to search through admins


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grep -C 5 -B 0 "\[admin\]" .tremulous/base/admin.dat |grep whatever

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Easier to search through bans


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grep -C 8 -B 0 "\[ban\]" .tremulous/base/admin.dat |grep whatever

GUIs start failing at a few hundred records. Grep and VIM don't mind.


Then why do you even bother to use a gui? Why not switch to solaris, if a console does everything you need? Why was it such a revoloution when xerox PARC and apple developed the first computer gui system? Why doesn't the world still use DOS and UNIX for everything. Because GUIs are more human. Yes they are limited in some ways, but they are more human.
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« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2007, 05:10:13 pm »
The point was more that this is something that doesn't benefit from a GUI.

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Humans are very bad at mechanical translation. Computers are very good at it. grep can find where the flag is described (or better yet, defined), but it can't translate the human form of a bunch of commands into the cryptic version for your flag string.

The optimal solution is probably a single web page with a dumb little Javascript and a bunch of check boxes.
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« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2007, 05:45:24 pm »
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Then why do you even bother to use a gui?


I don't. I use X server just to watch videos, play Tremulous, and view websites that don't like Links. I do everything else in a few terminals and GVIM instances.

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Because I use Gentoo Linux.

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Why was it such a revoloution when xerox PARC and apple developed the first computer gui system? Why doesn't the world still use DOS and UNIX for everything. Because GUIs are more human. Yes they are limited in some ways, but they are more human.


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grep can find where the flag is described (or better yet, defined), but it can't translate the human form of a bunch of commands into the cryptic version for your flag string.


Should I waste an hour writing perl script that will turn a few descriptive words into that cryptic flag string?
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« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2007, 10:32:28 pm »
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GUIs start failing at a few hundred records. Grep and VIM don't mind.


time for an upgrade?
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« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2007, 08:41:49 am »
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Should I waste an hour writing perl script that will turn a few descriptive words into that cryptic flag string?
No, but should you waste an hour trying to turn a few descriptive words into that cryptic flag string when someone else wasted an hour of their time writing a perl script to do it for you? :wink:
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« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2007, 01:39:25 pm »
When will this tool be ready to be released?
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