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« on: April 06, 2007, 04:27:57 pm »
Dear Fellow Tremulous Forum Users,

Recently the tremulous forums have degraded significantly, and this degradation hurts everyone. Old faithful tremulous users are being pushed away, only to be replaced by spam, insults, and vulgarities.

See more of MY personal opinion on the community’s state of affairs here: http://mercenariesguild.net/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=the-tremulous-community-is-going-down-hill.html&Itemid=64

The tremulous devs have basically stated they don’t care much about the state of the forums. The Community Moderators either are inactive, don’t care, or Abuse their powers.

To combat this, a few of use were discussing on IRC what we could possibly do. Lava Croft and I have agreed that the only way to wrest control of the forums back into the communities hand is to force the Devs to take back some control.

To this end we have come up with the following "Standard" reply to all the idiotic, spammy, and useless posts. Just Copy/Paste the following as a reply with no other modification and additions. By doing so you agree that

1: You acknowledge the lack of moderators.
2: You acknowledge that many of your fellow Tremulous players are retarded and their posts don't deserve to survive.
3: You are sick of it.

Join us in our movement of solidarity!

See the following post by Lava for the appropriate thing to paste.

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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2007, 04:41:09 pm »
Basically, we want everybody who supports what Khalsa and I are trying to accomplish to post the following, and only the following reply:

We demand moderation!





This post is endorsed by the P[/u]layers' M[/u]ovement F[/u]or P[/u]roper F[/u]orum M[/u]oderation. Check http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=59276#59276 for more information.



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[size=24][color=yellow]We [/color][color=red]demand[/color] [color=yellow]moderation![/color][/size]





[size=3]This post is endorsed by the [b][u]P[/b][/u]layers' [b][u]M[/b][/u]ovement [b][u]F[/b][/u]or [b][u]P[/b][/u]roper [b][u]F[/b][/u]orum [b][u]M[/b][/u]oderation. Check http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=59276#59276 for more information.[/size]
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2007, 04:42:36 pm »
Agreed, though I'm not going to spam something to filter spam unless it's worth spamming.
 Though I can add it to my sig. :D
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2007, 04:45:09 pm »
I think this will be good, so long as people don't abuse it.

As soon as it starts appearing on ligitimate requests for help, all its meaning is lost.

maybe the small print shouldn't be so small...
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2007, 04:45:27 pm »
We demand moderation!
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2007, 04:45:44 pm »
@Khalsa & LC, I concur.
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2007, 04:50:32 pm »
What's the policy on posting it lots of times?
Everyone posting it in the same thread would be spammy, but people will want to show there support for the cause....
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My words are mine and mine alone.  I can't speak for anyone else, and there is no one who can speak for me.  If I ever make a post that gives the opinions or positions of other users or groups, then they will be clearly labeled as such.
I'm disappointed that people's past actions have forced me to state what should be obvious.
I am not a dev.  Nothing I say counts for anything.

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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2007, 04:50:43 pm »
I agree that the community I joined year ago has turned upside down.
I belive it's the popularity of the game that gets idiots to find this game and idioticy spreads like palgue (no offence to the nick user ment). people get anoyed and pissed of insults and bad behavour and start spreading same diciese.

Why not start a clan or w/e That directs new players etc. So basicly for reason that if new player states that he/she needs help people can direct him to ask one of "newb helpers clan" members.

We demand moderation!
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2007, 04:57:56 pm »
Forums, community up side down? Huh? I think you guys are overexaggerating.
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2007, 05:00:22 pm »
^3we ^1demand ^3moderation

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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2007, 05:22:19 pm »
Quote from: "khalsa"

To this end we have come up with the following "Standard" reply to all the idiotic, spammy, and useless posts. Just Copy/Paste the following as a reply with no other modification and additions.


If this works, I propose we all put an end to littering by tossing some trash in the street!
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2007, 05:27:06 pm »
Quote from: "tjw"
Quote from: "khalsa"

To this end we have come up with the following "Standard" reply to all the idiotic, spammy, and useless posts. Just Copy/Paste the following as a reply with no other modification and additions.


If this works, I propose we all put an end to littering by tossing some trash in the street!

You do something stupid as that? Shame on you!
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2007, 05:27:30 pm »
You want moderation? Maybe we could lock that thread for example :)

Seriously, what is the problem with the forums anyway? If we exclude Off Topic, the rest of the forum is relatively calm. Maybe too calm indeed but nothing that Trem 1.2.0 won't solve.
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2007, 05:35:42 pm »
Added it  to my sig.
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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2007, 05:40:02 pm »
Quote from: "khalsa"

Recently the tremulous forums have degraded significantly, and this degradation hurts everyone. Old faithful tremulous users are being pushed away, only to be replaced by spam, insults, and vulgarities.

Khalsa


Agreed, and I have stated this several times in the past and why my participation has dwindled.  It is a shame that such a great effort at developing one of the best multi-platform free games is degraded by such a poorly controlled forum.  It is THE worst forum I have ever participated in.  Very poorly moderated, but from what I have read, this is supported by Timbo's wishes.  Unfortunately, my enjoyment of the game and efforts to support it keep bringing back.

Flaming the morons that think spamming every topic at once is their major accomplishment in life will never accomplish anything.  Proper moderation seems to be the only solution.

I hope something can be done.


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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2007, 05:47:04 pm »
Quote from: "whitebear"

Why not start a clan or w/e That directs new players etc. So basicly for reason that if new player states that he/she needs help people can direct him to ask one of "newb helpers clan" members.

We demand moderation!


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« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2007, 06:06:00 pm »
Devs:
Timbo {takes care of the worst}
Catalyc {last post mar 29th, irregular visitor it seems}       
DASPRiD {takes care of the worst/most active dev award?}
dolby {last post august 25th, consider inactive}
Godmil {last post may 8th, 2006, consider inactive}
Jex {last post feb 15th, irregular visitor it seems}         
Norfenstein {pretty frequent, don't know about adminning, takes care of the worst}
OverFlow {last post mar 30th, don't know about adminning}
Satannum {last post feb 26th, irregular visitor it seems}
tjw {pretty active, adminning unknown}
Veda {last post jan 10th, 2004, consider really inactive}
Who {who? lava croft hommage, inactive}

Community Moderators
Basilisco {seems to be doing his work}
Paradox {occasional miss}
PIE {last post january 26th}
Stof {seems to be doing his job}
[db@]Megabite {inactive due to work, last post nov 26th}

So if we count the dev team out of adminning the regular stuff we went from 5 to 3 at most. Also the powers these mods have seem to be the regular edit, move, lock stuff. No spammer or flamer is truly afraid of that. Perhaps appoint 2 new mods and give them temporary ban (1 week max) privilige?
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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2007, 06:10:48 pm »
I was going to post about "childish vigilantism" and how organized leading by example might be better, but reading Diggs's post makes me think I'm not actually qualified to judge. I don't really spend much time here and the forums kind of are just for the community (and from my point of view they don't look much worse than Gloom's forums, which were really the only forum hangout I've had). So the question is, who here is actually qualified to be a moderator? I may not post here a lot, but I would absolutely not tolerate someone with an attitude like Henners's (OBJECTION) being in charge. Lava Croft too, no offense, but you are the most inflammatory person I know. A moderator should be temperate, mature, and magnanimous. A moderator should not be someone who wants power, but has to be someone that cares enough to use it and use it appropriately.

And there are several things that could be done to the actual forum to make things better. I know some were/are in the pipeline, but I'm not up to date.

Also, thinking about, I'm a little touched so many people seem to care.
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« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2007, 06:33:10 pm »
meh, when I joined the tremulous forums it was when the flames were everywhere.

We demand moderation!





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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2007, 06:36:09 pm »
Just to point it out in public, I do not want to be a moderator at all, I just want moderators to do the job their colored nickname suggests they should do.
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« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2007, 08:13:37 pm »
Timbo has said that less moderation is more, so we try to only get the really pointless threads, the spam, and the flame wars, but we dont know what there should be done. If a formal set of rules were to be set up, such as no necro, no spam, no useless posts, etc, then it would make moderation a bit easier.
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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2007, 08:15:18 pm »
I agree.
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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2007, 08:28:49 pm »
Quote from: "n00b.pl0x"
I agree.

Don't we have enouth noob plox users yet? :evil:

I have nothing against the original. But stealing other users names is eeevil. Proof: http://tinyurl.com/23wjo4
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2007, 08:30:35 pm »
No.
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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2007, 08:32:00 pm »
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No.

You too. Be happy I can't ban or lock accounts.
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« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2007, 08:32:41 pm »
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We are the original.

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« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2007, 08:40:18 pm »
Have your fun, but not in serious topics please.
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« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2007, 08:53:56 pm »
We demand MACERATION!





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« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2007, 08:54:20 pm »
Can we smoosh his post?
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« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2007, 08:54:47 pm »
say no to moderation
get your freedom back

and be as free as free-Iraq
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