SST Flamewar

[Smokey]

SST, does it need a reason?

[Caveman]

If a clan-leader decides to mention SST here, then YES it does need a reason.

[Smokey]

SST, does it need a reason?

You get nothing but wasted time by playing on SST, 56 slots...300 something buildpoints? and nothing but terrible players.

[Caveman]

Smokey, I don't like to play on SST neither.
But your vendetta is just bullshit. Just because YOU don't like their settings and have an axe to grind with them, does not make the server a waste of time.

And face it, they have more spine than you.

[Diggs]

SST, does it need a reason?

What is your problem Smokey?  They have a game server and from what I can tell, you don't.  They have more in-game players than members in your clan.  They have more support it appears than you will ever have.  Different servers for different players and styles of play.  What is your problem with this?  Because new players play there?  What, you were never a new player?  Don't be so lame.....

[Smokey]

What is your problem Smokey?  They have a game server and from what I can tell, you don't.

I have a few..

They have more in-game players than members in your clan.

And what does that matter, 99% of their players are terrible

They have more support it appears than you will ever have.

And I care why? I don't want 500 newbies supporting me.

Different servers for different players and styles of play.  What is your problem with this?

I think we can all agree, more than 30 slots ruins the game, as does more than 150 BP. This topic is about SERVERS THAT ARE A WASTE OF TIME TO PLAY ON. SST is a waste of time in my eyes, as it is for almost everyone who is decent. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking killwhoring with 53 other people is pointless?

Because new players play there?  What, you were never a new player?  Don't be so lame.....

I knew the basics of the game within the first day, and it wasn't from playing on SST. Gladly, my first server was TJW's.

[Diggs]

I sort my servers so that I don't see empty ones.  Maybe that is why I have never seen your servers.

There are other servers that have new players, but I don't see you cutting up on them.  There are servers with unlimited build points and again, you don't cut up on them.  Again I ask, what is your problem with SST?

They serve a different type of game.  If you don't like it don't go there, but why are you going out of your way to bash them?  It may not be my favorite server either, but every now and then I stop by to see Paradox and had a great game with Odin the other night.  Niether I would consider noobs.  Hell, I even donate $$$ to their server.  I believe they do more for Tremulous than Zilla could ever think about doing.  I donate to quite a few servers because I think they do a good job supporting Tremulous.

Get a clue.  Quit being a lame jerk about SST.

[David]

SST is (one of?) the oldest of such servers, and as such defines the whole group. It also has very vocal supporters.
And its those supporters that give it a bad name.  They go to other servers and complain there are only 100 BP, and they feed as they are not familiar with playing on a server where there aren't 10 players in range at all times.  If the players have skill is up for debate, but they have no skill in playing on normal servers.
The other annoyance is SST has a tradition of grenading your own base, and not caring about hurting team-mates.  They then take this attitude to other servers and start hurling insults at the other players, and no being useful to there team.  This wouldn't be a big issue, were it not for the fact that a large amount of new players start on SST.  If they drop all the shit in front of there name, then I wont care.  As it is they are deliberately damaging the tremulous community, and, in my opinion, this is unforgivable.

[Caveman]

While David at least brings some pointers, there is still nothing from Smokey and his hurt pride that leads to him bashing SST.

Smokey, you failed miserably with your "league" and now are trying to backstab a server that just might succeed where you didn't. That is so low...


On the side, I can't really say anything about players from SST as our wrath server cater to a) a different gaming group and b) are located on the other side of the ocean .)

So the only thing what's wrong with SST are the players that go to other servers and expect to get the same settings, that's not really SST's fault, is it?
I mean, come one, we have morons on every server...

[TinMan]

S11 is the only waste of time that I know of. Any server that isn't running updated stuff would also be a waste, you want to play on a server that's running a TJW binary and has admins and most of the glitches fixed.

About the SST bashing. Smokey, SST is open for REAL ideas on how to fix any problems you're having on there, just mention them on the SST forums in a respectable way. We have a lot of admins which keep things in line and have recently had a large decrease in deconners after some subnet bans were put in place.

To each his own with max players and build points.

[Plague Bringer]

Or as most put it;

"If you don't like it, don't play there."

[_Equilibrium_]

think of it this way smokey: if there was no SST, those "n00bs" would be at the servers YOU play on.

[Stof]

Or as most put it;

"If you don't like it, don't play there."

Or even better: if you don't like a server, don't come complain/bitch/whine/troll about it on the forums.

Oh dear, it means that topic is completly useless then, and at best can be considered a trolling attractor!

Think about it, for each server that you complain about, there is at least someone who thiks it is worth it to keep it working. No matter which server you complain again someone will disagree with you and it'll turn into a giant flamewar.

[St. Anger]

I'm sorry but most decent players do consider SST trash, it's not just Smokey. I agree with him about the server being a waste of time.

-Nothing personal against you (Confess) or Paradox. You can't control the people that play on your server, or can you?

[Diggs]

I'm sorry but most decent players do consider SST trash, it's not just Smokey. I agree with him about the server being a waste of time.

That's quite the elitist view.  I'm not sure I would agree with "most decent players.

Hmmm....

[Smokey]

While David at least brings some pointers, there is still nothing from Smokey and his hurt pride that leads to him bashing SST.

Smokey, you failed miserably with your "league" and now are trying to backstab a server that just might succeed where you didn't. That is so low...


On the side, I can't really say anything about players from SST as our wrath server cater to a) a different gaming group and b) are located on the other side of the ocean .)

So the only thing what's wrong with SST are the players that go to other servers and expect to get the same settings, that's not really SST's fault, is it?
I mean, come one, we have morons on every server...

Is that serious at all? LOL.
No, SST is just a terrible server and I stated my opinion on how it is a waste of time to play there. I've NEVER, EVER liked SST and That has ALWAYS been known. David did a perfect job of explaining how the newbies on sst are of no gain to other public servers.
As for playing on SST, I don't. Never have, Never will.

Also, I love how you attempt to bash on Anger, diggs. If I recall correctly you're nothing special, you used to play on tjws.

[n00b pl0x]

The other annoyance is SST has a tradition of grenading your own base, and not caring about hurting team-mates.  They then take this attitude to other servers and start hurling insults at the other players, and no being useful to there team.  This wouldn't be a big issue, were it not for the fact that a large amount of new players start on SST.  If they drop all the shit in front of there name, then I wont care.  As it is they are deliberately damaging the tremulous community, and, in my opinion, this is unforgivable.

I haven't seen a person base nade on SST and not get banned for at least several weeks...i dont play there every day, but i play quite often.

You guys keep complaining about the 52 slots as if its always full or something. The server usually hovers around 20-30 tops. (unless im mistaken tjw's server has 22 slots :roll: )

New players start on SST? So what. I played my first game there, and im not a base-grenading team-ffing fool. (i cant deny yelling at teammates...)

SST is a different kind of server. It attracts new players because of its max slot count and height on the server list.

R1CH's server is a different kind of server. It attracts new players because of its height on the server list. it is also running a lot of custom settings. yet none of you have mentioned this because it is R1CH's. Why dont you rag on him like you rag on SST because of his 99 pounce, special vote system, etc. that turns all players into retards?

[Diggs]

Why do you accuse me of bashing Anger?  What's wrong with you?  Are you trying that hard to pick a fight?  I said he had a different view on the situation and that I didn't agree with the way he said something.  No bashing, just discussion.

Then you attack me?  You know nothing about me.  I don't consider myself a special player, but I do consider myself a decent player-

And I recall nothing about you and could care less.

You go out of your way to attack the SST server, then me?  You have issues that need addressing.

And as a point of discussion with David.  I have never seen a nade fest on another server.  I have never seen anyone complain on another server because there are not the build points that SST has.  I have only rarely seen any players from SST with "shit" in front of there name.  These things have no doubt happened, but as far as unforgivably damaging the Tremulous community?  I think that is a huge overstatement to say the least and not deserved at all.

[n00b pl0x]

diggs, aside from the part where you for some reason decided to compare your e-penis with theirs, i agree. i mean srsly, im decent at the game but i dont run around saying "LOLAR IM SOO GOOD AT THE GAME AND THATS WHY I BEAT YOU IN THIS ARGUMENT!!" and i dont get why anyone else does either.a good old fashioned flame war is much better anyways.

[Diggs]

I agree with you n00b.  (It's been a long day and my judgement is slipping.) Like I said.  It's something I don't normally do.  I will remove the links.

[Smokey]

Also, this one isnt really directed as much at the server as one senior admin there, but hes almost always on. trem.tjw.org. theres an admin there called mh1 hazard who somehow got admin and thinks everyone who picks up a md is aimbotting. he also seems to like to call random kick votes on people (seeing as how he cant figure out how to !kick properly, lol)

So true.


Diggs, Accept the fact that not everyone thinks SST is a godsend of a server, and most(if not almost all) decent players dislike it. (also, you are terrible. I've seen you on tjws.)

End.

[Caveman]

As for playing on SST, I don't. Never have, Never will.

Here we go. Pure Hear-Say.

Going from your vehemence in bashing, their league must be a total success.

[Diggs]

Like I said Smokey, you know nothing about me and why do you keep attacking me personally?

And I guess i am really terrible at the game.  Thanks for pointing that out.  Coming from a god of Tremulous like yourself that really means something.

http://www.nieting.org/images/trem/shot0002.jpg
http://www.nieting.org/images/trem/shot0003.jpg

(Sorry n00b.....)

Now try to have an open mind that there are different servers for different players.

[Survivor]

I'll mingle in this discussion just once.

First up digs. ss #1 shows you lost while you had the highest killcount, and ss #2 shows you have a draw with most kills. Both are  not good examples of skill as we understand it in trem.
Skill in trem is defined by completing the objective, which currently can only be defined as annihilating the opposing team and their spawns. Anything else is simply a method of obtaining that objective.

On the subject of bad servers. Are there any? As mentioned different servers cater to different playstyles. That people will try other styles is natural and we can't limit them in the servers they (are allowed to) play on. If you cannot agree with how people play show them how it is done, don't whine, don't abuse. Show them the way. If they don't like it they will most probably go looking for the next server which might serve their needs.

Smokey, the fact that you say that you don't play at SST means that you can't discuss the fine points when you don't have a first-hand grasp of them.
And if you think people need to be a good player to form a worthwhile opinion than you are forgetting the framework of the question. People need to be good players to comment on gameplay, mapflow and changes in mods/official builds to ensure good playability in high-class matches.
People who want to have fun don't care about that. They simply want a server where they can play to their liking in the game that was developed by the devs, mappers and gameplay experts. If people think that they have the most fun on a 52-player server let them. They won't have fun on your server and you won't have fun on theirs (as you have made obviously clear). Don't judge them for that.

[Diggs]

First up digs. ss #1 shows you lost while you had the highest killcount, and ss #2 shows you have a draw with most kills. Both are  not good examples of skill as we understand it in trem.
Skill in trem is defined by completing the objective, which currently can only be defined as annihilating the opposing team and their spawns. Anything else is simply a method of obtaining that objective.

Agreed Survivor.  I never said I was great/good or showed allot skill.  Just a statement that I was a decent player, not a terrible player.  Especially since I am a builder for the most part.  I don't like posting screenies, and never have before but not many other ways to make a point.

[KobraKaine]

Here we go. Pure Hear-Say.

Going from your vehemence in bashing, their league must be a total success.

Ah shit, a good ol' fashioned flame war and I missed it!!!

[janev]

While David at least brings some pointers, there is still nothing from Smokey and his hurt pride that leads to him bashing SST.

Smokey, you failed miserably with your "league" and now are trying to backstab a server that just might succeed where you didn't. That is so low...


On the side, I can't really say anything about players from SST as our wrath server cater to a) a different gaming group and b) are located on the other side of the ocean .)

So the only thing what's wrong with SST are the players that go to other servers and expect to get the same settings, that's not really SST's fault, is it?
I mean, come one, we have morons on every server...

Is that serious at all? LOL.
No, SST is just a terrible server and I stated my opinion on how it is a waste of time to play there. I've NEVER, EVER liked SST and That has ALWAYS been known. David did a perfect job of explaining how the newbies on sst are of no gain to other public servers.
As for playing on SST, I don't. Never have, Never will.

Also, I love how you attempt to bash on Anger, diggs. If I recall correctly you're nothing special, you used to play on tjws.

Smokey grow up. Some day you will realize that a persons worth is not defined by their ingame prowess.... :roll:

[KobraKaine]

Also, I love how you attempt to bash on Anger, diggs. If I recall correctly you're nothing special, you used to play on tjws.

Smokey grow up. Some day you will realize that a persons worth is not defined by their ingame prowess....

Why is it that everytime Smokey brings up a shitty player in an argument, all the other shitty players show up in force to flame him?  It's like you guys travel in packs or something....

[janev]

@ Kobrakaine I'm not the one calling people worthless for not being the topfragger....
as for me being useless as a player... Didn't you start playing trem this month?

http://fi.tremulous.net/gallery/Janev/grafi.JPG
http://fi.tremulous.net/gallery/Janev/fragi3.JPG
 :roll:

[KobraKaine]

@ Kobrakaine I'm not the one calling people worthless for not being the topfragger....
as for me being useless as a player... Didn't you start playing trem this month?

http://fi.tremulous.net/gallery/Janev/grafi.JPG
http://fi.tremulous.net/gallery/Janev/fragi3.JPG
 :roll:

I started the forums this month... don't you know?  You can't judge the quality of a player by how they post on the forums.  (Been playing the game considerably longer under several other aliases.)  

Here we go. Pure Hear-Say.

Going from your vehemence in bashing, their league must be a total success.

Ah shit, a good ol' fashioned flame war and I missed it!!!

Hmmm, looks like I just might get in on some action this time around...