Ban sat.gnu

[rorio]

It's been my very first day on this forum and I'm shocked by some things around here. The worst is the amount of chauvinism. Such things can't be tolerated in 21th century.
The most outrageous example of nationalism is ban on sat.gnu for all polish ips. It's even more shocking because server has gnu in it's name, of course if you know what stands behind and know the gnu ideology.

That's why I ask the developers(or the main server maintainers) to remove sat.gnu from the servers list.

If you support my opinion vote yes in the poll.

Don't tolerate breaking human rights, don't be passive.

[f0rqu3]

yeah you have right to ruin others game
but others dont have right to play a normal game

[Lava Croft]

Can somebody help me out here? What is this Pole talking about?

[jhaa]

There are no such thing as human rights in Satgnuland.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildebeest

[rorio]

yeah you have right to ruin others game
but others dont have right to play a normal game

The problem is that I don't ruin anyones' game. You cant say what kind of person I am  just knowing my home country! That's  chauvinism! There are not better and worse nations. If you think so that means you are n a z i.

[rorio]

Can somebody help me out here? What is this Pole talking about?

Pole? How do you know?

[Mwa]

It doesn't make him a Nazi, Nazism is an ideology, which stands for a lot of things, which attacking and killing tons of innocent people was a stepping stone to get to.
If you're going to be fussy about definitions of words, don't use ones that you don't understand.
We're not being nationalists by banning polish IPs.
We're being sensible.
We got a ton of greifers most of whom where Polish, so we banned Poland.
We also hand out exceptions to the ban for people who come to us and ask (Which few people do)
You, by the way, can never have an exception.
Not because you're polish, but because you're a tit.

EDIT:
Oh, and it's not breaking your human rights to ban you from playing on a server on the internet, fool.

[f0rqu3]

yeah you have right to ruin others game
but others dont have right to play a normal game

The problem is that I don't ruin anyones' game. You cant say what kind of person I am  just knowing my home country! That's  chauvinism! There are not better and worse nations. If you think so that means you are n a z i.

but most of the polish players caused problems in the past
(even timbo noticed the fact) moreover they let polish players play on their server on request , after the polish ban

and I dont know what you are trying to do ... satgnu is not around for weeks

[Atso]

O' they also had me banned without even knowing anything about me... for the expection that I deconned, teamkilled and was general annoyance. Oh wait a sec sounds just like the situation with polish players!

[jhaa]

If you think so that means you are n a z i.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law


Lock please?

[rorio]

It doesn't make him a Nazi, Nazism is an ideology, which stands for a lot of things, which attacking and killing tons of innocent people was a stepping stone to get to.
If you're going to be fussy about definitions of words, don't use ones that you don't understand.
We're not being nationalists by banning polish IPs.
We're being sensible.
We got a ton of greifers most of whom where Polish, so we banned Poland.
We also hand out exceptions to the ban for people who come to us and ask (Which few people do)
You, by the way, can never have an exception.
Not because you're polish, but because you're a tit.

EDIT:
Oh, and it's not breaking your human rights to ban you from playing on a server on the internet, fool.

1) don't call me fool.
2) I don't know how you but I know what the nazizm and nationalism is and I'm not even going to discuss about it, see wikipedia if you have doubts if I'm right or not
3) banning people because of their nationality is nationalism(see wikipedai)
4) it doesn't make you any better
5) saying I'm Pole due to me being a 'tit' is nationalism.
6) you have

[rorio]

If you think so that means you are n a z i.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law

Lock please?

Ok, i know what you want to say. But we have to call things by their real names.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU

[kevlarman]

It doesn't make him a Nazi, Nazism is an ideology, which stands for a lot of things, which attacking and killing tons of innocent people was a stepping stone to get to.
If you're going to be fussy about definitions of words, don't use ones that you don't understand.
We're not being nationalists by banning polish IPs.
We're being sensible.
We got a ton of greifers most of whom where Polish, so we banned Poland.
We also hand out exceptions to the ban for people who come to us and ask (Which few people do)
You, by the way, can never have an exception.
Not because you're polish, but because you're a tit.

EDIT:
Oh, and it's not breaking your human rights to ban you from playing on a server on the internet, fool.

1) don't call me fool.
2) I don't know how you but I know what the nazizm and nationalism is and I'm not even going to discuss about it, see wikipedia if you have doubts if I'm right or not
3) banning people because of their nationality is nationalism(see wikipedai)
4) it doesn't make you any better
5) saying I'm Pole due to me being a 'tit' is nationalism.
6) you have

banning a subnet from which a large enough amount of abuse comes is a common internet practice, you ban the smallest subnet that covers all of the isps from where abuse comes from, which in this case happens to be the entire country. if you had actually read the thread about satgnu banning poland, you would know that it was because griefing became so rampant, that it was easier to whitelist polish ips that didn't grief, than it was to keep banning those that did. besides, i don't think the devs will pay much attention to you after you flamed the head developer for complaining about polish people

[rorio]

It doesn't make him a Nazi, Nazism is an ideology, which stands for a lot of things, which attacking and killing tons of innocent people was a stepping stone to get to.
If you're going to be fussy about definitions of words, don't use ones that you don't understand.
We're not being nationalists by banning polish IPs.
We're being sensible.
We got a ton of greifers most of whom where Polish, so we banned Poland.
We also hand out exceptions to the ban for people who come to us and ask (Which few people do)
You, by the way, can never have an exception.
Not because you're polish, but because you're a tit.

EDIT:
Oh, and it's not breaking your human rights to ban you from playing on a server on the internet, fool.

1) don't call me fool.
2) I don't know how you but I know what the nazizm and nationalism is and I'm not even going to discuss about it, see wikipedia if you have doubts if I'm right or not
3) banning people because of their nationality is nationalism(see wikipedai)
4) it doesn't make you any better
5) saying I'm Pole due to me being a 'tit' is nationalism.
6) you have

banning a subnet from which a large enough amount of abuse comes is a common internet practice, you ban the smallest subnet that covers all of the isps from where abuse comes from, which in this case happens to be the entire country. if you had actually read the thread about satgnu banning poland, you would know that it was because griefing became so rampant, that it was easier to whitelist polish ips that didn't grief, than it was to keep banning those that did. besides, i don't think the devs will pay much attention to you after you flamed the head developer for complaining about polish people

I haven't flamed anyone, sorry, I'm just pointing out some 'strange' things that have been said and done here.
Using whitelists is easyer but is it fair? I don't think so.
See my point: I'm a good boy;) and I feel quite nasty when I can't acces a server because I'm Pole.  It's very unfair and remains me things that the nazis did in my country. It's very dissturbing.

[TinMan]

I know that quite a few servers have placed subnet bans on many places, which include poland and amsterdam. These bans are because of people using dynamic IP's to evade their bans, if you want to play on sat.gnu then you need to post on their forums and say that you're ip range has been banned and that you are innocent, and they may possibly remove the ban and test if the bad person has given up by now. They have all the right to ban an area in which there are deconners/rule breakers/evaders and you cannot be angry at the server admins for it, you can only blame the person in your IP range who has brought this to happen.

From my experiences with being an admin on servers, the majority of deconners come from poland or amsterdam.

[kevlarman]

I haven't flamed anyone, sorry, I'm just pointing out some 'strange' things that have been said and done here.
Using whitelists is easyer but is it fair? I don't think so.

is it fair to allow a server to become unplayable unless 5 admins are on at the time when you can do something? i don't think so.

[rorio]

I know that quite a few servers have placed subnet bans on many places, which include poland and amsterdam. These bans are because of people using dynamic IP's to evade their bans, if you want to play on sat.gnu then you need to post on their forums and say that you're ip range has been banned and that you are innocent, and they may possibly remove the ban and test if the bad person has given up by now. They have all the right to ban an area in which there are deconners/rule breakers/evaders and you cannot be angry at the server admins for it, you can only blame the person in your IP range who has brought this to happen.

From my experiences with being an admin on servers, the majority of deconners come from poland or amsterdam.

In the discussion about banning poles on satgnu there were many nationalistic arguments.
The problem is that I too have dyn ip

Thx for a reasonable voice in this row

[rorio]

I haven't flamed anyone, sorry, I'm just pointing out some 'strange' things that have been said and done here.
Using whitelists is easyer but is it fair? I don't think so.

is it fair to allow a server to become unplayable unless 5 admins are on at the time when you can do something? i don't think so.

So do you want all Poles baned? Right? Poles are bastards, rednecks, etc? French/German/Chineese people don't cause any problems? Only poles? Untermensch....


OMG :cry:

[kevlarman]

I haven't flamed anyone, sorry, I'm just pointing out some 'strange' things that have been said and done here.
Using whitelists is easyer but is it fair? I don't think so.

is it fair to allow a server to become unplayable unless 5 admins are on at the time when you can do something? i don't think so.

So do you want all Poles baned? Right? Poles are bastards, rednecks, etc? French/German/Chineese people don't cause any problems? Only poles? Untermensch....


OMG :cry:

right now the close to half of bans on US servers i admin are polish ips, i can only assume it's much worse in europe, if french/german/chinese ips comprised the vast majority of bans on a server, and they were actively dodging those bans with dynamic ips, like many polish people are, then yes they would get banned as well.

[jhaa]

This thread is the perfect example why poles are banned from SatGNU server, and why poles are disliked in general in the Tremulous community.
Also whining here and rolling in self pity about how you are being mistreated by the evil nazi server owners will not help you in any way.

[rorio]

Well, I'm sorry but I'm right.
I have said the truth and, my god, what more can I do?
I'm really disappointed. I hope there's someone who gets my point. Someone voted yes, so perhaps there is a hope for the project.
Now I'll stop carrying about this topic, this forum, the community and this game. Tremulous - game for narrow minded people.

good bye and fuck you all

[Survivor]

15 posts, a couple of days here, and discussing an action to an event which occured before you were there to see the reason.
Sorry to say, but i'm glad we're rid of you, and I am one of the friendliest people on this forum.

Now can we just end the discussion about the polish, we've had it dozens of times. Feeding the trolls is getting old.

[f0rqu3]

Well, I'm sorry but I'm right.
I have said the truth and, my god, what more can I do?
I'm really disappointed. I hope there's someone who gets my point. Someone voted yes, so perhaps there is a hope for the project.
Now I'll stop carrying about this topic, this forum, the community and this game. Tremulous - game for narrow minded people.

good bye and fuck you all

go play NS, AlienArena, or nexuiz and leave us alone. Have a broad minded community there

[tuple]

It's been my very first day on this forum

Maybe this should be your first clue that you don't know what you are talking about.  If all you will do is walk into situations and act like you know exactly what's going on, then good riddance.

By the way, the forums aren't the only form of communication the trem community has, did it EVER occur to you that there may be something you missed?

Oh well, you can argue with facts till your blue in the face, it doesn't change the facts.  Your countrymen have done you a disservice, we'll thank you not to blame us.

[benmachine]

Guys, he's gone. Thread is over. We can sit here and agree with each other all day, but somehow I don't think we'll get anything done.

[f0rqu3]

Guys, he's gone. Thread is over. We can sit here and agree with each other all day, but somehow I don't think we'll get anything done.

I agree

[sleekslacker]

But I still think that if you're a Pole and people know your reputation of being a fair-play & non-griefer, you should be able to request to be allowed into the server. I don't know how that subnet ban is implemented, so maybe it's not possible.

[f0rqu3]

But I still think that if you're a Pole and people know your reputation of being a fair-play & non-griefer, you should be able to request to be allowed into the server. I don't know how that subnet ban is implemented, so maybe it's not possible.

they did let known polish players

[n00b pl0x]

Guys, he's gone. Thread is over. We can sit here and agree with each other all day, but somehow I don't think we'll get anything done.

I agree

+1

Lol @ dude talking about the whitelist that already exists.

[rorio]

Good news for you: I've changed my mind: I'm not going to give in. You doing something wrong and there must be someone to tell you that.
You're problem is that you generalize: there is one guy from Poland and you ban whole country. Wrong! There are about  38 122 000 people in Poland and you ban them all because of a single guy! That's ridiculous! And you say "But they let poles in!", yes, but when they 'prove' they are ok. It's bloody unfair. You can't assume someone is more likely to do bad things just because of his nationality-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauvinism.

I'm glad there are some people who vote yes in the poll. And they are right although they don't shout like you do here.

If you are louder it doesn't mean you are right.

I feel sympathy for some of you because you are unable or simply don't want to understand what is wrong in the way you refer to people from other countries.