Aliens always win?

[Harry Joe]

Its a race against time that favor aliens more than humans.  Sure S2 humans can dominate against a S1 or S2 alien team.  But regardless, if the alien team can stay competitive in kills or hold out against humans, they will get S3 and its curtains.  

I'm not saying every game goes this way but its more likely than not.  I've played this out too many times.  The only real alternative is playing a map with a lot of air or vents.  Jetpackers can go over tyrants or go through places where tyrants can't reach.  But hey, it a helluva long way out and back into your base.

Sounds like you  (and many others) just need to play with better human teams. The race, if anything, favors humans quite a bit. It's a race to kill aliens off before they get to s3, where tyrants are an actual threat to suits instead of just being cannon fodder.

Again too many people are mistaking lack of skill with an imbalance. If aliens have 5-6 tyrants outside your base, odds are they should have won allready anyways. There are tons of ways to kill off that many tyrants, those who disagree just aren't good enough to pull it off.

Those complaining about how overpowered tyrants are really need to play them more often. I can't think of any other excuse why so many people would be so ignorant as to how powerful they are. 400hp sounds like a lot but drops incredibly fast against even small groups of humans with moderate weapons, get a bunch of chainsuits and a luci and most tyrants won't even be able to get close enough for a single swipe.

[kevlarman]

Its a race against time that favor aliens more than humans.  Sure S2 humans can dominate against a S1 or S2 alien team.  But regardless, if the alien team can stay competitive in kills or hold out against humans, they will get S3 and its curtains.  

I'm not saying every game goes this way but its more likely than not.  I've played this out too many times.  The only real alternative is playing a map with a lot of air or vents.  Jetpackers can go over tyrants or go through places where tyrants can't reach.  But hey, it a helluva long way out and back into your base.

Sounds like you  (and many others) just need to play with better human teams. The race, if anything, favors humans quite a bit. It's a race to kill aliens off before they get to s3, where tyrants are an actual threat to suits instead of just being cannon fodder.

Again too many people are mistaking lack of skill with an imbalance. If aliens have 5-6 tyrants outside your base, odds are they should have won allready anyways. There are tons of ways to kill off that many tyrants, those who disagree just aren't good enough to pull it off.

Those complaining about how overpowered tyrants are really need to play them more often. I can't think of any other excuse why so many people would be so ignorant as to how powerful they are. 400hp sounds like a lot but drops incredibly fast against even small groups of humans with moderate weapons, get a bunch of chainsuits and a luci and most tyrants won't even be able to get close enough for a single swipe.

1.1.0 tyrants are overpowered, when i was still playing 1.1.0 (there's nothing that can drag me off a server running the development version of tremulous now), i could take on 2 chainsuits (who i know to be skilled) at the same time.

[Dance Commander]

play with ff on.  it makes the rants a lot less powerful, and even gives goons problems.

[ShiroBoshi]

Wow, I leave this for a day or so and I get 2 pages of replies. Thanks guys xD.

[doomagent13]

I think that the tyrants biggest problem is its ability to run constantly at a speed comparable to prifle shots. (at least from the human point of view)  Slow them down and then they have to run sooner and might still have to deal with a chaser.

Why has no one mentioned the nade yet?  310 damage max at once, max obtainable for 200 creds, while luci has ~265 max in one shot, obtainable for 600 creds.

*light bulb over head went on*
  Turn the luci into a grenade launcher!!!  It would basically require a direct hit, but one hit WOULD send them running.  TWO humans with nade launchers might be able to deal with your 5 tyrs, but maras would probably pwn them!

[janev]

If you play on a server where the 'better' players actually go Humans, you will see that they tend to win a lot. Sadly, most 'better' players rather go Aliens, so they can rack up kills while guarding a hallway with their Dragoon.

Yes better players go alien... but the godlike players go human. There are more good players then godlike players and thus the discrepancy in wins.

[temple]

Sounds like you  (and many others) just need to play with better human teams. The race, if anything, favors humans quite a bit. It's a race to kill aliens off before they get to s3, where tyrants are an actual threat to suits instead of just being cannon fodder.

That is the apart of the problem.

Humans can hit S2 but they have kill the whole alien base to win.
Aliens just have to hit S3.  

Throw in egg spam or camping aliens and it becomes much harder to finish the job, despite the firepower humans have at S2.  That's assuming you have the credits to do a good rush.

If the Aliens are neck and neck with humans when they hit S2, its still easier to get S3 than for the humans to wipe the map of all aliens or eggs.  When I play aliens, I try to deny kills and get kills.  But when humans hit S2 way before my team or god forbit hit S3, I don't worry.  I just suicide into humans in an attempt to slow their march on the alien base and to hopefully get the kills needed for S3.

Then, everything comes to a halt.

IF humans got some kind of tank or something overpowered at S3, then it wouldn't be as bad.  But the human S3, alien S3 balance is more relevant than the S2 balance between the teams.  In theory, the majority of games would be played S3 team vs S3 team.  Since human S3 can't answer tyrants, humans hitting S3 first doesn't matter as much in the sense of the whole game.  In order for humans to win, the games have to be 20 minutes or shorter.  Any time it takes longer than that, aliens will hit S3 and be able to counter.

Tremulous has more strategy than people think.  But at the end of the day, tyrants are just too damn strong on a ground based map.

[Survivor]

IF humans got some kind of tank or something overpowered at S3, then it wouldn't be as bad.  But the human S3, alien S3 balance is more relevant than the S2 balance between the teams.  In theory, the majority of games would be played S3 team vs S3 team.  Since human S3 can't answer tyrants, humans hitting S3 first doesn't matter as much in the sense of the whole game.

Humans can answer tyrants, they can't answer tyrants in mass when they're low on creds, which they should be if the aliens were able to get all those evoes. Same way aliens can't answer humans in mass, they get picked off by all the firepower coming their way before getting a netto increase in evoes.

[IabzO.o]

I think human and alien are balanced, both team will need teamplay, but alien will only need teamplay if human actuly use teamplay.
People who are saying that 3 humans­>3 dretches are retard, since dretch is a sneaky class, you can't rush to a human and try to dodge his bullets, it only work with those who can't aim.


Now, there is someone who talked about human alway winning in scrim it's not true, as I said before, alien will need to use teamplay too, but they can't fit 2 goons in a small room, so the only way you play as a team, is to swap, 1 goon attack, go back and the next one take his place.


Someone also said something about Human with skills­>Alien with skills, But how can the Alien be skilled and still lose? since they have the advantage when human are still S1, when human hit S2, it's a little bit harder, but if alien defend their base, and use the booster, they will probably be able to hit S3, and then push the humans back to their base.

Sorry for my bad english, I will probably explain a little bit more back to home

[Marmalade]

This is ridiculous. You guys assume that when the aliens hit stage 3, it's game over.

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It's only game over if the humans have been feeding the aliens for the whole game.

And if they all camped in their base like a bunch of pussies (which, 9 chances out of 10, they ARE doing).

And if they didn't work together (think dretches are hard? Get teammates backing you up that aren't afraid to help. Most dretches home in and circle bite one guy, hoping to literally confuse him to death. The only problem is that most Tremulous players seem to be ten years old and beefed up on the average FPS's which DON'T require teamwork. Then, they come on here and complain they couldn't kill a Tyrant 1 on 1 with a blaster pistol, light armor and a medpack. Well no wonder, stay with your team next time. All of you).

Yes, I'll readily state my belief that most noobs go on the human team. Think about it, when you were downloading Tremulous, what were you thinking of? I'm guessing you were mainly thinking of some buff dude ripping aliens apart with his bare hands, right? Yeah, most of us have had it up to here with all the human killing FPS's, so we want to go slaughter some extraterrestrials that bleed green slime, right? i'm sure you would have been interested in the alien's features and all, (face it, what other shooter has you crawling on walls? Spiderman doesn't carry a M4-Carbine on him.) but you still probably were more interested in shooting a species other than your own. That's why all the bad players tend to go "ZOMG H00MINZ!" and join that team (ever go in a pub? You've got people waiting for 5 minutes for someone to join alien so they can snag a seat on human and camp in the corner all game).[/list=]

[player1]

play with ff on

You've got people waiting for 5 minutes for someone to join alien so they can snag a seat on human and camp in the corner all game

[Ubernoob's servent]

Say there are 3 rants outside of base 1 is an expert 1 is an ok player but gets angry easily 1 is a plain noob

me and one other rifler saw this and since it was a gg soon we decied to rush thise 3 rants around a corner.We said gl and charged at them shooting  into those 3. The expert reacted imediatly but was behind the others the noob sliced widly at us but hit his teamate  the average.The average got pissed and killed his teamate but he was badly damaged so we took him down.The expert sighed and left the game.Me and the other rifler were ok no damage at all and were laughing.Since that was the aliens only defense and no more evos the humis won.That was my funniest tory of 2 naked riflers taking down 3 rants (sorta) and winning the game. :eek:

So noobs kinda balence with ff bcause they hit their teamates alot and block alot. even experts at low health die.Also with humis noobs ask for creds without doing crap and get luci and always shoot those dretches at their teamate's feet.having noob's or new people help even this game out somewhat even though i hate em...