A guide to the Basilisk

[AllmanBros]

nice guide... the only thing i find thats anoying with the lisk is when u grab people and try 2 circle around they usually get away..... therefor i find hittting and running to be more effective because you stand more chance at grabing them from behind......

ps kinda need tips on when u grab people how to circle around them?

also peoples opinions on attacking lucis with lisks?

For grabbing and turning: Make sure you are facing them. If you look just to the left/right of them they will get away. Also, lisk is supposed to be sneaky. Most of your kills should come from being behind them, as its easiest. Worst comes to worst, spin around while looking at them.

For luci: Timing is key, and it wont be easy if the luci isn't semi-retarded. Bsuits are easier, even if they can turn, becuase they don't know you're coming. Since you can't grab, usually leaping around avoiding luci balls is advised. Thats about it, it'll come with playing. Soon, you'll be getting everything 1v1.



Its good to know I KNOW how to play, even though I suck nowadays

[ChaosSquirrel]

Just a helpful reminder that there is no kill formula. However, experience can help. Sometime, you will fail miserably, just try for it not to be often.

[Mage]

I think basi is better even than a goon in 1v1 in hs1. And if you are advanced basilisk, it helps a lot.
It is seemingly has +25  hp, and that's all. Yes, it has more hp. But gas helps very much. They usually use their medkit, and that means that they has nothing against your poison, and you can esier grab them.
And you enjoy playing with a basi more than playing with other classes. That is my opinion though nobody asked it.

[Dracone]

1. RADICAL NECRO MAN. YOU OWN.
2. Adv basi attacks a very nice bit faster than regular basi.
3. Gas only affects totally naked humans.(I don't know if 1.2 is changing that)
4. Won't even start on the basi > goon in 1v1 thing you put there...

[Lava Croft]

A Dragoon is for the kind of people that would always bully the kid with glasses in school, the Basilisk is for the kid with glasses that spent most of his time behind his computer.

[Syntac]

Um... How so?

[St. Anger]

A Dragoon is for the kind of people that would always bully the kid with glasses in school, the Basilisk is for the kid with glasses that spent most of his time behind his computer.

So what are the people that use the Marauder.

[GuyGun]

So what are the people that use the Marauder.

Athletes! Jumping from wall to wall takes some great atheleticism I'd say. :p

[Dracone]

You're just fat.

Shut up.

[Lava Croft]

A Dragoon is for the kind of people that would always bully the kid with glasses in school, the Basilisk is for the kid with glasses that spent most of his time behind his computer.

So what are the people that use the Marauder.

Dumb, for not using the Basilisk.

[Annihilation]

I think basi is better even than a goon in 1v1 in hs1. And if you are advanced basilisk, it helps a lot.
It is seemingly has +25  hp, and that's all. Yes, it has more hp. But gas helps very much. They usually use their medkit, and that means that they has nothing against your poison, and you can esier grab them.
And you enjoy playing with a basi more than playing with other classes. That is my opinion though nobody asked it.

Yeah, because wiggling around and getting two to three hits in without losing 75 hp is way easier than pouncing 80mph and 1 hit win with 200 hp to lose.


 

[Mage]

The basis main function is hiding, and suddenly grabbing the human, and it isn't running face to face to it.

[Valour250]

ok back on subject for the guy who wanted to know about circling behind people and fighting lucis. those 2 things you said are the hardest things to do as lisk, well to do them anyway.

about circling that involves alot of practice and failing, one thing you need to know is that you dont want to move in the same direction as there gun, which is very hard to do but makes cicling alot easier. but the main thing that happens is people let go of you when they are lisking which alows the human to turn around keeping the gun between you and them DONT let go.

And fighting lucis is nearly impossible or is impossible the reason even when you grab them they can shoot the ground and the splash will hit you and/ or you the human and you will get luci jumped. ill write more on this later

[Dracone]

Chainguns are harder to fight with lisk than lucis, and this is especially true when given a luci suit compared to a chainsuit.

With a lisk, it's almost impossible to get hit by a luci if you're being smart about your movements, and so all it takes besides that is patience. Once you get on top of a helmeted luci's head, just jump up and down while swiping their head and so long as your HP isn't TOO low, it will take a good bit of splash damage to kill you, enough that when I manage to get on a luci's head efficiently, I take them out probably 75% of the time. Even the overcharge technique often doesn't work, although servers with higher knockback will cause you to get thrown off more often than not.

As for suits, the immediate reaction after being grabbed is generally not to look up. I've had suits, even good ones, severely injured before they look up.

Chainguns though, they're a bitch to kill with lisk. Getting close is tough if they're shooting at you, the knockback affects lisks tremendously. Not only that, but lisks don't have to HP to stand up to even a mediocre chaingun user. Unlike lucis, you can't really be CAREFUL about your movements because so long as you're where a chaingun can see you, you can be hit, so you have to rely on quick movements instead of easily dodging a luci. I only lisk a chainsuit every now and then, but the best way to lisk any suit, except luci and flamer, and maybe saw, is to run evasively around them, making sure to keep your grab by keeping a lock-on to them, and make quick reversals in your movement patterns.

[Valour250]

good point, generally on the servers i play on the splash and kick back is massive so yeah.

about the chain suit most lisks dont go against them willingly, but that falls under being smart about how and where you engage your enemy. and yes the head jumping on a chainsuit works amazingly they dont look up lol.

another thing that works is if you are near a wall and wallclimb and bite them and keep moving, but then again it only helps you to do a bit more damage ultimately you dont realistically stand a chance unless your really good lisk and they are much noob.

[Lava Croft]

Somebody is not 'good' if he lacks the common sense to look up while being attacked by a Basilisk.

Also, Chaingunners are very easy to kill, compared to Lucifer Cannon toting splash damage hell.

[Dracone]

Chainguns are not easy to kill if they can aim. A lucifer cannon, you can avoid damage no matter how good they are with it, but the issue is getting close. You can make good moves and kill a luci much more easily than a chaingun though because a chaingun won't use the common luci tactic of saying, "Fuck it, I'll keep on going." A chaingun will chase you down more often than not.

Also, this comment is very vague.

Somebody is not 'good' if he lacks the common sense to look up while being attacked by a Basilisk.

Who's to say the basilisk is going to stay on the head? I do that for the most part against a luci-suit, but not for the entire time. As soon as he looks up, that's when you drop back down so they will usually have to take more time to find you again. As for chaingunners, you shouldn't spend more than a second on their head, and, like I said, you should run evasively around them, whether that's a simple circling technique with quick reversals in the turn, or that combined with wallwalking. Good lisks can go on the walls and all over the place with nonstop movement and easily keep their aim solidly on the battlesuit's head to keep the grab.

As for splash damage, it's overrated. If you're on their head with a decent amount of HP, the splash damage from their luci, even a fully charged shot or often times even an overcharge, is simply nowhere near reliable for killing you unless they are able to shoot a surface closer to you than the floor.

[Lava Croft]

Any sane person will firstly look up whenever he realizes he is grabbed, while not seeing any Basilisk.

A Lucifer Cannon might be slow and it might not be very good for chasing Aliens, it does give you a much higher chance of surviving the Basilisk attack, since you can easily do unavoidable damage to the Basilisk, allow the splash damage to maybe free you from the Basilisk, while also generating a bit of noise and visual effects, which is always a good thing.

While Chaingunners are certainly deadly, even more so when wearing a Battlesuit, they will still have to directly aim at you to hit you, something that is quite easily evaded once you have the Chaingunner grabbed. Naturally, the Chaingunner is certainly more deadly than a Lucifer Cannon when there is some distance between you.

[Annihilation]

Any sane person will firstly look up whenever he realizes he is grabbed, while not seeing any Basilisk.

A Lucifer Cannon might be slow and it might not be very good for chasing Aliens, it does give you a much higher chance of surviving the Basilisk attack, since you can easily do unavoidable damage to the Basilisk, allow the splash damage to maybe free you from the Basilisk, while also generating a bit of noise and visual effects, which is always a good thing.

While Chaingunners are certainly deadly, even more so when wearing a Battlesuit, they will still have to directly aim at you to hit you, something that is quite easily evaded once you have the Chaingunner grabbed. Naturally, the Chaingunner is certainly more deadly than a Lucifer Cannon when there is some distance between you.

I don't know what trem you play but in the tremulous I play and every trem player I know plays a basilisk can not hold a bsuit, only slow them down and hinder their turning. 

Also, chaingun knockback is almost as effective as luci shots down below for wiggling out of a lisk hold and no self damage or delay before you can keep firing.  You only need to be locked onto a lisk for a few seconds to kill them with chaingun, luci can take 5+ shots if the lisk dodges well and you have to risk self damage plus long delays in charging time. 

Dracone is probably one of the top 3 American lisk players(and top 10 over all american), not trying to say you suck at lisk(since i've never seen you play do to timezone and ping), but he genearlly knows what hes talking about.

[Valour250]

valour, dracone and Annihilation all agree therefore you loose, sorry.

no but seriously where do you play that a lisk can grab a b suit and render it usless?

another stupid thing that was pointed out to me the other day about lisk, i dont know if it was just the server but humans wearing just light armour can be gassed, but if you have a helmet on you can???

[Nux]

another stupid thing that was pointed out to me the other day about lisk, i dont know if it was just the server but humans wearing just light armour can be gassed, but if you have a helmet on you can???

I guess they didn't have enough 'future' left over for an oxygen supply system when they invested all their 'future' in their futuristic future-guns, so they just made it open at the neck. The lightarmour (somehow) closes this opening and you're then safe to breathe the fresh air that's been circulating around your ass.

EDIT (for relevance): As for basilisks, a clever basi knows to not just sit on thier head, but sit on the very back of it. They're pretty damn safe there but it's also important you know how to orbit the guy your grabbing to avoid being shot at by his team. This can mean moving in front of your victim, if only for a second.

[janev]

Lava croft Date Registered: April 28, 2004  >4½ years

dracone Date Registered: February 23, 2007  < 2years
Annihilation Date Registered: August 08, 2007 < 1½ years
valour250 Date Registered: November 24, 2007  < 1 years

valour, dracone and Annihilation all agree therefore you loose, sorry.

no but seriously where do you play that a lisk can grab a b suit and render it usless?

another stupid thing that was pointed out to me the other day about lisk, i dont know if it was just the server but humans wearing just light armour can be gassed, but if you have a helmet on you can???

The only logical course for me is to conclude that lava croft has trem experience  then you 3 douche bags combined. I'll take lava crofts word for it. As for the chaingun being especially deadly vs basilisk where you play.... Do you by any chance play with unlagged on?

[Dracone]

I don't think it'd be a good idea to put this into a flame war of calling people douches, even if valour's little "you loose" was unnecessary.

Experience isn't everything either. I know plenty of people who've played Trem much shorter periods of times than some of the earlier players and yet they're some of the best known despite that, and know of others who pretty much have never been really active but they're fantastic when they're on. And while your conclusion on our experience may be using logic, it's flawed logic at best, using our Tremulous.net join dates is simply not a valid procedure for judging anyone. Besides, I started Trem 8 months before I joined this forum. But I'm sure that doesn't matter to you when considering Lava Croft's 4 1/2 years, which isn't even that considerable since Trem didn't even really kick off even close to that long ago.

As for what kind of servers I play on myself, I play MOSTLY on unlagged servers because I'm a U.S. player and the lagged servers generally suck here. However, I also play on lagged Euro servers pretty often, with a ping of 150 to 200 for me. And, in my opinion, I'm not in any way "bad" at it, but I will not name people who could back it up because it'd be childish to ask for people from servers that I shouldn't even be playing in to support my skill at their servers.

[KamikOzzy]

With the most skilled players, chain rarely misses, as it is dependent on the player aiming. Lucy still misses because it is more dependent on the dodger.

Also my 1.5 years of playing 6 hours a day is worth more than ten years of forums trolling.

[uoraY]

janev Date Registered: 9/11

Never forget.

[St. Anger]

I have been registered on this forum for 5 years so automatically I know more than any of you. Ok guys? Or atleast my buddy Janev seems to think so! Tip 4 baslick guiz: Make sure you get near them bc u can stiky them i think its a bug lolz. but dont tell 2 many ppl shh.

[PS] NT is king of baslick he knoz wat he am talk about ok.

[Valour250]

Lava croft Date Registered: April 28, 2004  >4½ years

dracone Date Registered: February 23, 2007  < 2years
Annihilation Date Registered: August 08, 2007 < 1½ years
valour250 Date Registered: November 24, 2007  < 1 years

valour, dracone and Annihilation all agree therefore you loose, sorry.

no but seriously where do you play that a lisk can grab a b suit and render it usless?

another stupid thing that was pointed out to me the other day about lisk, i dont know if it was just the server but humans wearing just light armour can be gassed, but if you have a helmet on you can???

The only logical course for me is to conclude that lava croft has trem experience  then you 3 douche bags combined. I'll take lava crofts word for it. As for the chaingun being especially deadly vs basilisk where you play.... Do you by any chance play with unlagged on?

valours little you loose was not a serious comment if you read the next line, and that douche thing was kinda way inappropriate.  yes that register thing kinda doesnt work because most of the time i havent been on the forums and if you look at my earlier posts it was me asking advice but now im giving it, if you dont like peoples advice live with it dont flame. call them a noob or something and justify it but dont flame.

since comming back (i stopped tremming for half a year so techncally i have been playing trem for roughly half a year) i have learnt and relearnt my skills and am known as a fairly decent player.

back on topic does any1 besides me find that extremely stupid you cant gas a l armour human but u can with one wearing a helmet??? how often do you guys use gas? i generally dont use it unless multiple enemies to bring thier health down if s1 so i can kill them or just a lone human, is it really that more effective then the few hits you could have swung instead of gassed?

[Bissig]

Well, IRL, there is gas that does enter through the skin into the bloodstream. Strange though that armored but unhelmeted humans should not be afflicted by this.