Notice: Aimbotters can have guids now

[Rabbitt]

mmm... Evlesoa=Evelsoa?

Do we have a cheater in the forum?  :O

Tell us something we didnt already know and ill give you a cookie.


Also its kind of funny alot of people are finding this site and posting pics of posts from it yet everyone claims to never use it.

Pretty popular place for non aim botter's to be checking up on regularly isn't it ?

Not saying everyone who does this is an aimbotter but i mean come on not ever body is going to check to see if someone they know posted on it.
Out of 10 people that go there 4 download and run it.

[player1]

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/2061/evelsoawr2.png

mmm... Evlesoa=Evelsoa?

Do we have a cheater in the forum?  :O

new old news...

[doomagent13]

Also its kind of funny alot of people are finding this site and posting pics of posts from it yet everyone claims to never use it.

Pretty popular place for non aim botter's to be checking up on regularly isn't it ?

Not saying everyone who does this is an aimbotter but i mean come on not ever body is going to check to see if someone they know posted on it.
Out of 10 people that go there 4 download and run it.

I'll admit, I downloaded it.  It is Windows only.  I use a mac.  I cant use it.  I cant even run it.  I just hoped it would have the source, but this new version doesnt.

[Lakitu7]

Also its kind of funny alot of people are finding this site and posting pics of posts from it yet everyone claims to never use it.

Pretty popular place for non aim botter's to be checking up on regularly isn't it ?

As both a coder and an admin in several places, I have rather legit reasons to obtain the source code and research any information that aids folks in detection. Can't speak for anyone else, but considering I'm one of only two of these "lot of people," I can't particularly assume you don't mean me.

[kevlarman]

I'll admit, I downloaded it.  It is Windows only.  I use a mac.  I cant use it.  I cant even run it.  I just hoped it would have the source, but this new version doesnt.

you know what this means...time to send their isp a dmca takedown notice.

[Rabbitt]

Sorry for the confusion Lak.

No i dont mean by posting a pic that i meant them.

I mean 4 out of every 10 people that go to *check* stuff like that are getting it for usage and not for research as quite a few people have done.

I too have downloaded the older version of this bot and used it on my own server with some people to show them how to identify it.


If anyone wants to accuse me of using it go ahead just check my kill total's lol.

[n00b pl0x]

mmm... Evlesoa=Evelsoa?

Do we have a cheater in the forum?  :O

believe me, i would like to jump on evlesoa (and ride him like a bull :eek: ) as much as the next person for aimbotting, but are you people fucking retarded?

now yes, he is evlesoa, and i wouldnt put it past him to spell his name wrong...but that account joined this month ( $100 says today ) and the name is spelled wrong

1. evlesoa has probably been registered there for years
2. i think he can spell his name ( not positive...but meh :\ )
3. he would have more than one post since hes probably been begging for trem aimbots/wallhacks/etc. for years

Conclusion: someone else made that account to frame evlesoa

i laughed at the idea of someone going that far so hard...until i saw people actually buying into it actually being evlesoa

[Odin]

Who cares? Any chance to bash Evlesoa is not in vain.

[next_ghost]

A new version of everyone's favorite aimbot has been released to work with tjw's backport client. Be advised when looking for and banning aimbotters that you can no longer use the GUID = Not Botting maxim.

It was posted 5 days ago, so it's popping up in the wild already. Oh boy!  :roll:

Oh, the creators must be r1y 1337 c0d3rz if it took them THIS long to patch and fix a little different client code... :roll:

I have a recommendation for all you server operators/admins.

Do not allow lvl 0 players to !listplayers
That way they cannot see who is an admin.  It's easier to join and BAN! if you spec someone aimbotting, cause they won't know who's who.

Also, scan your games.log for the url that all operators know all too well and create bans based on that.  I've been upgrading all aimbot bans to subnet bans (after checking that noone else is coming from that subnet )  Only Class C so far >:]

edit: an immediate and permanent subnet ban will give pause to anyone who actually likes your server.  Additionally, the more servers that do a subnet ban, the more aimbots will have to think about their dwindling choices for servers.

I should finally start working on that network/GUID registration system I've promised some time ago.

[tehOen]

we really need to move bans from admin log
since this means more bans

[yetshi]

mmm... Evlesoa=Evelsoa?

Do we have a cheater in the forum?  :O

Tell us something we didn't already know and ill give you a cookie.

tehOen is Evelsoa, did you know that?

now wheres my cookie?

[tehOen]

mmm... Evlesoa=Evelsoa?

Do we have a cheater in the forum?  :O

Tell us something we didn't already know and ill give you a cookie.

tehOen is Evelsoa, did you know that?

now wheres my cookie?

you fail ... I dont even know the address of the forum
I wont bother with finding it

[Nux]

@Eeeew Spiders: I know what recursion is!! >.< >.< >.<

I also know what it's not. Fractals are a graphical example of recursion. When I say "larger structure being made of smaller versions of itself" that's not necessarily graphical.

My example of a recursion relation, that was in response to tehOen's dictionary quote (which he misinterpreted), was a proper example of what was described in his quote. So long as it is not limited, the operation could be performed endlessly. If something recurses endlessly, that does not make it a fractal. Fractals are strictly geometrical. My recursion relation example was algebraic and not a fractal.

If nulls code called another piece of code within it, this would not make it recursive. It would have to call itself (or at least something very similar to itself).

"A recursive definition is a function that uses itself in its definition list"

From this I get the impression you understand what recursion is. Though strictly speaking, it doesn't have to be a function. This, I think, is only a communication error and not because you fail to understand the concept itself. I'm not sure why you're telling me this, though, as my original post said the following:

I am not against any cheat it could be fun but I am against recursion..

This statement is recursive. In other words, "This statement is recursive" is recursive. Put another way, ""This statement is recursive" is recursive" is recursive.

I'm not sure you mean recursion. Recursion is defining something in terms of itself. Iteration is closer to your intended meaning. Plagiarism is even more suited.

BTW, funny code Eeeew ^^

I find this topic more interesting than the "Evlesoa is cheatzor" topic that others have now moved onto.. but I guess I'll go back on topic:

Is there actually anything about aimbotters having GUIDs that is dangerous? (other than no longer being able to use it as a rule for telling when a person can't be aimbotting)

[*<|:D]

Guys, of course it isn't Evlesoa. It's his brother :roll:

[tehOen]

I am not against any cheat it could be fun but I am against recursion.

that is to say repeating itself and not creating anything new
nux...
are you happy now?
....

@Eeeew Spiders: I know what recursion is!! >.< >.< >.<

you dont know anything about maths Lets discuss this

[Eeeew Spiders]

Damn aimbots, lets go offtopic ^^

@Eeeew Spiders: I know what recursion is!! >.< >.< >.<

I know you do, because you have been recursively killing me ingame.
(Sig that kevlarman )

Actually, when you say "larger structure being made of smaller versions of itself" it implies that you can "zoom" into it infinitely, when we define looking at the "smaller part" zooming into and looking at the "larger structure" zooming out of. That's true with e.g. geometrical fractals.
With recursion however in the example you posted, when you zoom into the structure deep enough you get to the initial point where the structure is no longer repeated as in:
X0 = 1
The problem is ofcourse that you explained recursion using recursive sequence generation where you can only zoom out infinitely (or more appropriate: expand infinitely), but not in.
Geometrical fractals are just the opposite, though both are based on a recursive definition.

[tehOen]

Damn aimbots, lets go offtopic ^^

@Eeeew Spiders: I know what recursion is!! >.< >.< >.<

I know you do, because you have been recursively killing me ingame.

back to topic
because he is using aimbot. that is why he tried to change the subject ...
WE NOW KNOW PPL WITH GUID CAN USE AIMBOT
TREMBLE IN FEAR NUX

[Nux]

you dont know anything about maths Lets discuss this

What reason do you have for thinking I don't know anything about maths? I've more basis, rather, for thinking you're guilty of this as you have shown you have little idea what is meant by the dictionary quote "recursion - (mathematics) an expression such that each term is generated by repeating a particular mathematical operation".

I know you do, because you have been recursively killing me ingame.

That doesn't make sense >.< Repetition does not mean recursion.

Actually, when you say "larger structure being made of smaller versions of itself" it implies that you can "zoom" into it infinitely, when we define looking at the "smaller part" zooming into and looking at the "larger structure" zooming out of. That's true with e.g. geometrical fractals.
With recursion however in the example you posted, when you zoom into the structure deep enough you get to the initial point where the structure is no longer repeated as in:
X0 = 1
The problem is ofcourse that you explained recursion using recursive sequence generation where you can only zoom out infinitely (or more appropriate: expand infinitely), but not in.
Geometrical fractals are just the opposite, though both are based on a recursive definition.

For something to be recursive, it doesn't have to be infinitely recursive. Though it is posible to imply an infinite recursion, it's not so easy to illustrate such a recursion. This is why a recursion can start or end with something that isn't itself. If you were to try and illustrate something which is entirely made up of itself, there would be no viewable content. My example was of a recursive relation. These are recursive (believe it or not). Fractals are recursive. They are only an example of recursion in a geometrical setting. As defining things in terms of itself implies infinite recursion, the term recursive is used to describe structures that are made up of strucuters which are only similar to themselves.

Many of the examples I've seen in this thread have not had a definition of itself within itself, but merely a repetition of itself somewhere outside of itself. Recursion is repetition of itself inside of the thing itself.

Damn aimbots, lets go offtopic ^^

@Eeeew Spiders: I know what recursion is!! >.< >.< >.<

I know you do, because you have been recursively killing me ingame.

back to topic
because he is using aimbot. that is why he tried to change the subject ...
WE NOW KNOW PPL WITH GUID CAN USE AIMBOT
TREMBLE IN FEAR NUX

Everyone knows I use Nux-Hax. That's old news.

[Eeeew Spiders]

I know you do, because you have been recursively killing me ingame.

That doesn't make sense >.< Repetition does not mean recursion.

Oh c'mon Nux, you can do better than that!

For something to be recursive, it doesn't have to be infinitely recursive.

No, that's why "larger structure being made of smaller versions of itself" only applies to a subset of recursive structures, such as fractals.

To mention itself once in it's definition once would be enough to call it recursive.

That's a better and a lot more general definition of recursion

I don't see any problem with what I have said :F

Doesn't mean it cannot be said better!

Everyone knows I use Nux-Hax. That's old news.

Code: [Select]

// Nux-Hax
if (!strcmp(target->playerName(),"Eeeew Spiders"))
{
  me->taunt();
  me->kills(target);
  me->says("^^");
  me->tauntAgain();
}

[Nux]

You posted that response while I was updating my post

You must be taking a more specific meaning of the word 'structure' than I am intending for it. I don't just mean visible structure. You can have  implicit structure. An example of this is me merely saying "This statement is recursive". Though there is no visible component to that statement that is similar to the whole statement, there is an implication that refers to itself when it says 'This statement'. This means that wherever you have 'This statement' you can replace it with the full statement and it would have the same meaning.

If you don't se anything wrong with what I say, why do you contest parts of it? >.< Unless you misused the term on purpose, I will worry that you have taken the 'Repetition = Recursive' understanding to be true :F

[Puma]

guid=aimbot! xD

[Nux]

I'm sure if you ban all the guys without guid then ban everyone with guid, you won't have any aimbotters visiting your server. This sounds like the solution to me.

[Oblivion]

Conclusion: someone else made that account to frame evlesoa

Let me go ahead and put throw this out here.
I am pretty damn sure that funlily told him to register there, cause funlily was the one who gave Evlesoa the aimbot and funlily told him to release it to whoever you want, so the point is, that could also be very very possible that is Evlesoa, just dont know how to spell, hell I am not even sure I got his name right in this post.

[player1]

mmm... Evlesoa=Evelsoa?

Do we have a cheater in the forum?  :O

Tell us something we didn't already know and ill give you a cookie.

tehOen is Evelsoa, did you know that?


now wheres my cookie?

PHAIL!

t3h O3n is bioxtc/vcxzet/f0rqu3, I believe...

[rdizzle]

If your talking about code this would be recursion:

Code: [Select]


void LeetAimbot()
{
      LeetAimbot();
}


Recursion has to do with self-reference.  If it just copying some other thing it is repetition.

[tehOen]

this thread is fun
lets blame and flame nux

[Survivor]

This has gone way too far from the subject. Get it back on topic or it's a close.

[Rabbitt]

mmm... Evlesoa=Evelsoa?

Do we have a cheater in the forum?  :O

Tell us something we didn't already know and ill give you a cookie.

tehOen is Evelsoa, did you know that?

now wheres my cookie?

Ok take a look back at the flame filled idiotic posts of Evelosa and ten look at the mathatical intelectal post by teh0en and try that again ?

Yea my spelling is horrible but im not afraid of grammar nazi's !

[player1]

This has gone way too far from the subject. Get it back on topic or it's a close.

duly noted

on topic: won't this make it easier to ban them?

naysayers in 3-2-1...

[tuple]

Sadly, no.  A guid is easily changed/replaced and IPs can be changed depending on your network setup (basically it can on %95 of home connections)

It does make it slightly harder to easily identify if someone is using an aimbot, in that the rule of thumb was that if they had a guid, they weren't simply cause there wasn't one that worked with the backport client.  That no longer being the case, we have to pay closer attention to anyone that may be botting.