Obscure Musicians

[NiTRoX]

To NiTRoX:
Some of it can be pretty lame. Look at some of those terribly slow nuggets of shit that the dutch (and in the past 10 years or so, the diseased garbage can be found elsewhere too) put out and call trance.

Actually, most of the dutch DJs are the best Trance DJs. Ever heard of Tiesto, Van Bureen,  ?

To NiTRoX:
Goatrance is better than the pop-saturated bullshit that is eurotrance.

I'm pretty sure you haven't heard House or Techno before

To NiTRoX:
If you don't care, vocalize it to your toilet, don't type it here.
To put it simply: we don't care if you care, assgiraffe.

:>

[Breathe]

To NiTRoX:
I listened to a couple Alter Ego tracks, sounded fairly neat.

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To _Equilibrium_:
Submerse and Revelation Theory were both nice, but not something I'd listen to on a regular basis.

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To Kaleo:
Pain is absolutely amazing. RIGHT up my alley. I listened to only two tracks, but they were both great; I might get some stuff of theirs in a more tangible format.

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To Lava Croft:
My sincere apologies, I didn't bother looking very far into the list of artists you had set there. Wikipedia is great for info but not so good for seeing whether or not you like something. I was a bit lazy at the time and didn't look for Youtube clips or songs to download LEGALLY. (Insert prolonged bout of coughing and choking here.)

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To Rocicante:
Judging solely by time period, I'm willing to bet you have a sizable number of big-band jazz bands in that collection of yours. Being a fan of big-band, I'm gonna ask you to hand over the goods.

And that paper has been torn down and destroyed now that you have amended reality to conform to my hypothesis.

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To NiTRoX:
DJing does not a musician make. They don't even make their own music (with a few exceptions for Tiesto's tracks), they just play records in ways that don't sound like trash. They're overhyped, have no compositional ability, nothing more than a talent for beat matching. I can do the same thing to an unlimited number of songs, give me a day's headstart to mess around.

As far as dutch producers go, I am not a fan. In fact, I will personally buy every dutch trance release I see for the sole purpose of destroying it.

I actually have heard house and techno, just very little. Tell me what that has to do with goatrance vs. eurotrance?

[Tremulant]

Meanwhile, back in Communist Russia... is always good fun.

[NiTRoX]

To NiTRoX:
DJing does not a musician make. They don't even make their own music (with a few exceptions for Tiesto's tracks), they just play records in ways that don't sound like trash. They're overhyped, have no compositional ability, nothing more than a talent for beat matching. I can do the same thing to an unlimited number of songs, give me a day's headstart to mess around.

As far as dutch producers go, I am not a fan. In fact, I will personally buy every dutch trance release I see for the sole purpose of destroying it.

I actually have heard house and techno, just very little. Tell me what that has to do with goatrance vs. eurotrance?

Actually most of them make or rather produce their own music.

Its harder to make  an electronic music song then making a rap/hip hop/rock song

You actually need years of experience and tons of equipments to make a good song

And yes there are those 'so' called DJs that work hard just to remix a crappy song no one likes.

I'm talking about the major ones here, David Guetta ,Fredde Le Grand, Anthony Rother, Dirty South etc etc ..

[Rocinante]

Judging solely by time period, I'm willing to bet you have a sizable number of big-band jazz bands in that collection of yours. Being a fan of big-band, I'm gonna ask you to hand over the goods.

Actually, not really.  Big fan of rock (classic, progressive, etc) but not a big listener of jazz.  Though I do have some Stray Cats (and by extension The Brian Setzer Orchestra), Big Bad Voodoo Daddy, Cherry Poppin' Daddies... then there's the funk.  George Clinton is da man.

And that paper has been torn down and destroyed now that you have amended reality to conform to my hypothesis.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own." --Adam Savage, 'Mythbusters'

[Dance Commander]

breathe, while there are some terrible dj's out there, some of them are amazingly good at what they do.  look up girl talk's album "night ripper". he takes about 300 or more songs and layers them.  i thinks its pretty neat, and the incredible way he mixes different songs into an entirely unique track qualifies him as artist, imho.  still, if you dont like the songs he draws from, then you prolly wont like him... each to his\her own.  

http://ballyhoestudios.com/Girl%20Talk%20-%20Night%20Ripper/12%20-%20Bounce%20That.mp3

http://ballyhoestudios.com/Girl%20Talk%20-%20Night%20Ripper/

also good is ocdj and diplo...

[Lava Croft]

DJ's nowadays care more for their own fame than their own music. Tiesto, Don Diablo and Ferry Corsten are prime examples of this. Big concerts on stages that are centered around the star DJ, who does nothing else than let us hear music we all got bored of 15 years ago. It might sound fresh to people like Nitrox, but anyone with more than a passing interest in electronic music yawns at such people.

[NiTRoX]

DJ's nowadays care more for their own fame than their own music. Tiesto, Don Diablo and Ferry Corsten are prime examples of this. Big concerts on stages that are centered around the star DJ, who does nothing else than let us hear music we all got bored of 15 years ago. It might sound fresh to people like Nitrox, but anyone with more than a passing interest in electronic music yawns at such people.

Well you're right. Hip hop/ rap/rock/jazz/<insert other music here> artists don't make concerts. I mean really, they make concerts because they love making music and don't expect to be payed.

Speaking of old music from 15 years ago? Have you ever listened to electronic music 15 years ago? Its not even comparable with today's music.

Tiesto? He made a lot of music for charity purposes .. You don't even know what it involves to make electronic music

[Lava Croft]

I will try to keep it simple, so even you can understand:

When the DJ becomes more important than the music, something is wrong.

[NiTRoX]

Same goes with other genre of music artists

[Lava Croft]

Same goes with other genre of music artists

By saying that, you show that you no have idea about the philosophy behind dance music, let alone its goals. DJ's are not rockstars, and never should be. Keeping on comparing Dance music to other genres actually hurts Dance music more than it benefits, although this probably completely eludes you.

Let's keep on-topic: Squarepusher

[NiTRoX]

Same goes with other genre of music artists

By saying that, you show that you no have idea about the philosophy behind dance music, let alone its goals. DJ's are not rockstars, and never should be. Keeping on comparing Dance music to other genres actually hurts Dance music more than it benefits, although this probably completely eludes you.

Let's keep on-topic: Squarepusher

See, you don't even know what Dance music is. You keep confusing Dance with electronic music when Dance is a sub-genre of Electronic music, similar to pop.

DJ's are not rockstars, and never should be.

Why not? They should be as popular as rockstars are.

[gareth]

nothing i like is in the least bit obscure, but this thread seems to have been rerouted into a general post some music thread so here is my contribution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwrvkaGcHg8
http://www.liljedahl-music.com/music/xm/sweet.flavour.rar

[Lava Croft]

See, you don't even know what Dance music is. You keep confusing Dance with electronic music when Dance is a sub-genre of Electronic music, similar to pop.

What I linked has nothing to do with our discussion. I know very well that Squarepusher doesn't belong to the same group of people as Tiesto et all. Squarepusher can actually read notes, play the bass and create original music.

Why not? They should be as popular as rockstars are.

By saying that, you admit that you are -thankgod- of a different mind than I am. For me, Dance music is a way to transcend race, religion and borders, through the means of sound. For me, Dance music is the sound of the universe, it's universal, no matter what language you speak or what God you pray to.

For you, Dance music is like pop music, and DJ's are like rockstars. You are part of a market for which people like Tiesto create products. It's devoid of any kind of philosophy or goal, it's all about Glory for the Star-DJ. If it's not Tiesto, it will be Britney Spears or any other kind of popstar. They are exchangeable, like products.

[NiTRoX]

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