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« on: June 27, 2008, 07:33:40 am »
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PP6fe6i1vaY

Of course driving an M3 still makes you a twat, probably no more than driving a prius though, and the comments, as per youtube, are all braindead.

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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2008, 08:20:05 am »
Nice video  ;)
Driving my Gremlin on the tollways of Illinois at 80mph, I get about 20 mpg, just gotta check the oil when I stop otherwise I get antsy and fear that it's burning it, but it never does.

I wouldn't mind driving a BMW, even if it looked ugly like that. The BMWs I've sat in were all really comfy and nice on the inside. De Loren DMC-12s are a damn nice ride, but with the stainless steel panels it takes forever to get that thing moving again after a stop sign. That's my dream "winter car", my Gremlin is already my dream car. With the De Lorean, I could drive it in the winter and not worry about it floating on snow or rusting :P
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2008, 09:26:54 am »
Driving my Gremlin on the tollways of Illinois at 80mph, I get about 20 mpg, just gotta check the oil when I stop otherwise I get antsy and fear that it's burning it, but it never does.

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2008, 09:04:13 pm »
@player1:
http://neonpulse.net/category/gremlin/

Of course I still own it, I only bought it about 1 year and a couple days ago!
I need to put updated pictures on there, I've done some more work to it.
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2008, 09:30:44 pm »


What\'s next, Barbie car seats?

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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2008, 10:57:14 pm »
@player1:
http://neonpulse.net/category/gremlin/

Of course I still own it, I only bought it about 1 year and a couple days ago!
I need to put updated pictures on there, I've done some more work to it.

Hah, nice.. I bought my '72 Hornet (nice shade of green) about 13 years ago, and it's sitting retired - but too sentimental to sell - at my parents' house right now.  Someday I'll have the space to bring it down, pull the engine and start working on it to restore it.  Straight 6-232, 3-on-the-tree.. oh the fun when backseat passengers would ask why I shifted from drive to reverse and back again :>
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2008, 03:31:40 am »
Hah, nice.. I bought my '72 Hornet (nice shade of green) about 13 years ago, and it's sitting retired - but too sentimental to sell - at my parents' house right now.  Someday I'll have the space to bring it down, pull the engine and start working on it to restore it.  Straight 6-232, 3-on-the-tree.. oh the fun when backseat passengers would ask why I shifted from drive to reverse and back again :>

Rofl!
I've got a '72 C10 longbed with a 350 V8/4 barrel carb., definitely a gas hog but it's just so purtty :)
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2008, 05:26:48 pm »
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What\'s next, Barbie car seats?
Direct link to my pic and I'll goatse it ;D
Actually I got the Hello kitty mats because they were the only ones that fit, they've outlasted all the ones that I cut to fit and they add some style to the car. I hop in my car and get cheered up by memories of really crummy Hello Kitty games on the DreamCast. That's a personal thing, part of my childhood, it's something that people try to keep alive through their lives. I plan on keeping my car until it's dead beyond repair, why not have it show a part of me?

And...if you could hear how hard-ass this car sounds, you'd want some Jap-crap kitty merch in it to not make people think you're too hardcore.

@Rocinante: That's awesome :]
The Gremlin is based off of the "AMC AMX-GT" concept that's rumoured to just be a split Hornet, but you could say that about most AMC cars, they all have a lot of the design in common...except that Pacer...someone just wanted to make a Jetson's car :P The Eagle looked a lot like the Gremlin at one point.
My Gremlin has an i6-258 so I plan on keeping it since my gas is good, this winter I plan on taking it apart to restore it...not that there's much to restore when it only has 25k miles :P A paint job, maintenance, rebuild the engine, and fixing up little annoyances like the air-pump that pushes up the back window, if the hinges weren't as strong as they are that pump would shoot the window up and off it's so dang powerful. I've got an automatic 3-speed, I want to put a manual in it ;D

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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2008, 05:30:23 pm »
I want to remind you gasguzzling Americans of the fact that whenever you put the pedal to the metal, we have to cough!  ;D

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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2008, 05:55:17 pm »
I want to remind you gasguzzling Americans of the fact that whenever you put the pedal to the metal, we have to cough!  ;D
The arm on the pedal doesn't allow it to hit the metal :P
Yeah, I'm polluting by driving and most people are (those who drive), but I'm somewhat responsible about it. I carpool, I keep my car clean (it really does help with mileage, try it), I keep a pad of legal paper in my glove compartment to track my mileage and gas to figure out mpg and how my driving is affecting it, and I didn't buy a new car, I'm using an old car - I'm "reusing". I live by a lot of rich Polish kids. You really do get sick of seeing kids driving Escalades, SUVs, and Hummer1/2/3's. Hell, my shoes have recycled car tyre as the rubber soles.

If there were sidewalks where I live, I'd take my bike to school, instead it's streets full of potholes with 45-50 mph speed limits.
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2008, 12:14:49 am »
@player1:
http://neonpulse.net/category/gremlin/

Of course I still own it, I only bought it about 1 year and a couple days ago!
I need to put updated pictures on there, I've done some more work to it.

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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2008, 12:35:41 am »
@TinMan: I was merely teasing you, you crazy adolescent!

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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2008, 02:51:22 am »
@player1: Thanks  ;D I haven't rebuilt it yet, I've just been cleaning it slowly part-by-part, and finding fixes for some of the small engineering flaws on it. I don't expect to get anything major done until winter when I pack it up. I live in Illinois, that's where idiots pour salt on the streets to turn snow into slush and turn wheel wells into gaping holes of corrosion - in other words, I'll only drive it in the winter if I know there's no salt on the streets.

@Lava Croft: I kinda figured, that doesn't make my statements stand any shorter though  :P
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Re: People Are More Important Than Cars
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2008, 01:37:27 am »
*cough!  ;D

@Lava/TinMan/et al:
It's all too true. Coincidentally, today I had the leisure to finish the excellent book, The Geography of Nowhere, by James Howard Kunstler. I recommend it to anyone who seeks to understand just how Americans came to separate themselves from each other so efficiently and obsessively.




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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2008, 08:09:28 am »
I've never driven on a cloverleaf, lol. It looks awesome though.

America is just huge and populated. If people in China could afford cars, they'd be doing worse because of their population.
Try going to Slovenia, when people aren't in cars they're getting around their lots on 4-wheelers =/
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2008, 06:02:17 pm »
I've never driven on a cloverleaf, lol. It looks awesome though.

America is just huge and populated. If people in China could afford cars, they'd be doing worse because of their population.
Try going to Slovenia, when people aren't in cars they're getting around their lots on 4-wheelers =/

Wrong. U.S. population density is nothing compared to Japan or even Europe. So, the real reason for those enormous street systems is:

1. No effective public transportation system
2. Cars, cars and more cars
3. "Flexibility" of the working population
4. Centers without variety (you have to drive somewhere else to get it)

Btw, where is the picture of that HUUUUUUGE "clover leaf" near/around L.A. that is build on two levels? What player1 posted is a relatively normal motorway crossing.

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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2008, 07:37:39 pm »
I've never driven on a cloverleaf, lol. It looks awesome though.

America is just huge and populated. If people in China could afford cars, they'd be doing worse because of their population.
Try going to Slovenia, when people aren't in cars they're getting around their lots on 4-wheelers =/

Wrong. U.S. population density is nothing compared to Japan or even Europe. So, the real reason for those enormous street systems is:

1. No effective public transportation system
2. Cars, cars and more cars
3. "Flexibility" of the working population
4. Centers without variety (you have to drive somewhere else to get it)

Btw, where is the picture of that HUUUUUUGE "clover leaf" near/around L.A. that is build on two levels? What player1 posted is a relatively normal motorway crossing.

I believe Germany has the largest road system, second only to the U.S. But if I'm not mistaken weren't your roads, specifically the Autobahn, built for the military as efficient transportation routes in case of war just as ours were?
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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2008, 08:30:19 pm »
I've never driven on a cloverleaf, lol. It looks awesome though.

America is just huge and populated. If people in China could afford cars, they'd be doing worse because of their population.
Try going to Slovenia, when people aren't in cars they're getting around their lots on 4-wheelers =/

Wrong. U.S. population density is nothing compared to Japan or even Europe. So, the real reason for those enormous street systems is:

1. No effective public transportation system
2. Cars, cars and more cars
3. "Flexibility" of the working population
4. Centers without variety (you have to drive somewhere else to get it)

Btw, where is the picture of that HUUUUUUGE "clover leaf" near/around L.A. that is build on two levels? What player1 posted is a relatively normal motorway crossing.

I believe Germany has the largest road system, second only to the U.S. But if I'm not mistaken weren't your roads, specifically the Autobahn, built for the military as efficient transportation routes in case of war just as ours were?

No. The Autobahn was planned before Hitler even got powerful. They were ment as a method to increase economic growth. But, of course, the Nazis used it for propaganda sakes. At first the NSDAP and the KPD (Communists) blocked the first Autobahn in a combined effort. Hitler only built about 3500 kilometers of Autobahn.

The first publicly available Autobahn was built in Italy 1924.

To the size:

Germany has a huge system of motorways. But it is also one of the countries more densly populated. And, as opposed to f.e. France it doesn't have ONE center that overlays everything. Germany has many medium sized centers and of course they are all interconnected well ;-) Also, we only have a max of three lanes per driving direction. But, there is no general speed limit, which is quite unique.

Btw.: It takes TWENTY years to build a new Autobahn in Germany. Wow (I wonder if the Romans had the same trouble with beaurocracy when they built their roads? ;-P)

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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2008, 10:09:42 pm »


Europe at least has some regional cities, much less investment in increasingly unmanageable suburban supersprawl, much higher complexity of urban and rural mixture, etc.

Thanks for reviving this thread, I truly thought this discussion was dead.

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« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2008, 10:17:09 pm »
The U.S.A's highways were not "built in case of war" Eisenhower was the head allied commander during WWII, and saw how Europe had many efficiently designed highway systems. Coming back after the war, he became president, and decided to build many highways across America, very similar to the ones that were already in existence in many parts of Europe.
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« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2008, 10:29:49 pm »
I've never driven on a cloverleaf, lol. It looks awesome though.

America is just huge and populated. If people in China could afford cars, they'd be doing worse because of their population.
Try going to Slovenia, when people aren't in cars they're getting around their lots on 4-wheelers =/

Wrong. U.S. population density is nothing compared to Japan or even Europe. So, the real reason for those enormous street systems is:

1. No effective public transportation system
2. Cars, cars and more cars
3. "Flexibility" of the working population
4. Centers without variety (you have to drive somewhere else to get it)

Btw, where is the picture of that HUUUUUUGE "clover leaf" near/around L.A. that is build on two levels? What player1 posted is a relatively normal motorway crossing.
I said China, not Japan or "Europe", and you can't bring all of Europe into this, individual countries contrast each other greatly with oil usage. e.g. England and France use it very efficiently, while Slovak countries (with the exception of Russia) are gas-mongers.
We have public transportation, just not in the boonies. If you go to any major city there are cheap busses and trains.
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2008, 08:48:39 am »
@TinMan: I greatly respect your open-mindedness and sense of fairness. It just so happens that I am doing quite a bit of reading about this very subject right now, because I think one possibility for the "coming technological singularity" (if you will) is the End of Cheap Fossil Fuels. I do not mean to be flip or flaming or sound superior when I recommend the works of the following authors (yes, I know that wikipedia is not the final authority, but it is a convenient place to refer to a great deal of already-composed lists and such). As usual, much is clickable.

James Howard Kunstler

Dolores Hayden

Christopher Alexander

Peter Calthorpe

Andres Duany

Elizabeth Plater-Zyberk

Lewis Mumford

Wendell Berry

Euell Gibbons

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@player1: Thanks  ;D I haven't rebuilt it yet, I've just been cleaning it slowly part-by-part, and finding fixes for some of the small engineering flaws on it. I don't expect to get anything major done until winter when I pack it up. I live in Illinois, that's where idiots pour salt on the streets to turn snow into slush and turn wheel wells into gaping holes of corrosion - in other words, I'll only drive it in the winter if I know there's no salt on the streets.

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I grew up in Syracuse, NY. I know all about salt, cinders, frame-bending NYC potholes, melting blacktop in summer, and gaping wheel wells eaten away from the inside out. :D

I want to remind you gasguzzling Americans of the fact that whenever you put the pedal to the metal, we have to cough!  ;D
The arm on the pedal doesn't allow it to hit the metal :P
Yeah, I'm polluting by driving and most people are (those who drive), but I'm somewhat responsible about it. I carpool, I keep my car clean (it really does help with mileage, try it), I keep a pad of legal paper in my glove compartment to track my mileage and gas to figure out mpg and how my driving is affecting it, and I didn't buy a new car, I'm using an old car - I'm "reusing". I live by a lot of rich Polish kids. You really do get sick of seeing kids driving Escalades, SUVs, and Hummer1/2/3's. Hell, my shoes have recycled car tyre as the rubber soles.

If there were sidewalks where I live, I'd take my bike to school, instead it's streets full of potholes with 45-50 mph speed limits.

This is basically the problem. America was built out in the last fifty years to support transportation by car, and in most places, only by car, or in such a car-friendly/pedestrian-unfriendly environment that anyone who would walk there obviously can't afford a car. I too, live in a gasoline-rich environment, 15 miles from work, mowing a suburban lawn with a gas lawnmower, driving a small pickup (because we own a house, we have a canoe, etc.). At least I can say that for most of the 12 years that we lived in NYC we took public transportation. Now we live in a city that's got an urban growth boundary: Portland, Oregon. Hell, we've got light rail and a fair bus system, too. I only used it when I had "issues" with my license, however. :P

I've never driven on a cloverleaf, lol. It looks awesome though.

America is just huge and populated. If people in China could afford cars, they'd be doing worse because of their population.
Try going to Slovenia, when people aren't in cars they're getting around their lots on 4-wheelers =/

When you get a chance, drive that thing to Chicago and see the streetcar suburbs, and then the automobile suburbs, and then drive on up to Detroit, and see what cars have made of America. You should see the overpasses in NYC, or even the twelve bridges we have over the river here in Portland. 8)

America is more than just "huge and populated". It was built out of the cities by land speculators, oil companies, automobile manufacturers, "development" companies, junk bonds, and fin-de-siecle ennui, combined with a nearly-schizophrenic millennialist manic-depressive anomie; and has become an endless ribbon of greyfields, lit by the gloaming loglo, and littered with Twinkie wrappers, Nacho Cheese Doritos bags, and thousands of benzene-outgassing petroplastic bottles, which once contained something made of hydrolized vegetable protein, high fructose corn syrup, and caffeine. I propose that we begin to look at ways to change that. :)

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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2008, 10:21:45 am »
Where I live is right now considered by many to be the fastest growing part of America, Will County. It's South of Chicago and it's where boats, trains, trucks, and planes can all meet to exchange their cargo. My town is Lockport, look it up and you'll see that it's best known for the I & M canal, a High School that's "in the top 5% of the nation", LOTS of ghost stories, lots of recent teenage deaths and suicides, school referendums that never pass, gang violence spread from Joliet, growing population where soy bean and corn fields are being torn down for white suburbs...and Johnny Depp was here not that long ago for the filming of "Public Enemies" which is due next year :P

Anyways, the new suburbs have sidewalks within them, but no one come out because the roads outside the suburbs have speed limits of 45 or so MPH and are still heavily used, even more now that the I-355 extension is complete. Areas are calmed down in small pieces, but not all together, so there's really no possibility of traveling long distances by bicycle or walking on a safe path.

As far as busses and trains go, the trains will get you from any major town to another, but not from part of one town to another part of the same town. There's a lot of empty fields in between that will probably be developed into more suburbs within the next couple decades. There are only school busses. Public transportation bus systems wouldn't work because of the large area that they would have to cover, everything is far away, it's not setup like a city should be because it's expanding too quickly and in an odd way of being spread out in spurts.

People who live in downtown Lockport can get by without owning or using cars, they can walk to most places they need to go to other than a post office, but a lot of them will carpool out of there every night because it's not a safe place to be, during the day it looks like a ghost town because there's nobody on the streets or in restaurants or businesses, but the streets are packed with cars going down Main street to get to other towns.

It's really being poorly developed.

And yes, I've been to Chicago and driven there, I enjoy it much more and would actually feel safer parking my car at a meter there than on the side of a street anywhere in my own town. I love going to Chicago because it only requires that I drive a couple miles to a train station, from there I can take the train for an hour which is lots of fun (not kidding, two story trains with colourful windows and usually fun people), and then once you get into Chicago you can walk to anywhere, take a bus, or take another train. A friend of mine lived in NYC and then moved to Chicago, he just got his license when he turned 35 because for the first time ever he got a job that required him to leave the major city that he lives in, until then he had never driven a car and rarely been in one.

If anyone could find a solution to the problems with transportation in my area that anybody would take seriously, that would be amazing. We can't get school referendums passed because everyone is uptight about tax raises, yet their properties are worth more now that the area is developing and could be worth even more if they helped contribute to our high school that's supposedly good. It's a confusing place to live in. My family came here to escape the city and raise me and my siblings, but Chicago has always been a major part of our lives. My dad goes there daily, my brother goes there for college, I go there for fun, etc. Now, 18 years later, it's turning into all the bad things from Chicago and none of the good things. Kids my age hangout at Wal-Mart, do drugs, party, and drive around shitfaced. It's one of those places that births a few intelligent individuals with a lot of potential who grow up waiting to escape and it's sad to see it when they don't.
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Re: Cars Have Had Their Day
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2008, 07:12:02 pm »
Thanks for the considered reply. I will have a chance to continue to parse quotes later in the day (or perhaps later in the week). I see that you are well aware of many of the issues involved. Most of the above-named writers are quite concerned with creating a new aesthetic for America, one that isn't as entirely based upon catering to the needs of automobiles as our current societal structures are.

Today, among other tasks, I am continuing to read the excellent book, The Long Emergency, also by James Howard Kunstler.

If you're open to alternative thinking, I would also recommend that you seek out the books published by The Disinformation Company, or check out their website. Quite interesting reading, which should be seen as an alternate source of information to the corporate/government media, and not as the final word on any subject.

Right now, however, I'm burning daylight, so I must run along. I hope to get a chance to do a little research on your town and respond more fully later.

Cheers!

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As we return to the hemp/rye/flax/maize/apple/maple/wax economy, a process I like to call re-grarianism, a variety of farming/gardening/gathering/foraging/stewarding strategies will be useful in different locations for approaching the problem of loss of supply lines from the cheap-oil economy, (otherwise known as the "Where the hell do we get food if it ain't at the Shop-n-Go?" syndrome), as well as cooling, serenity and CO2 reduction, among other things. You may enjoy exploring one which could be locally applicable. Among these are:

Robert A de J Hart - Forest Gardening

John Seymour - Self-Sufficiency

Valerie Easton - Pattern Gardening

...as well as the excellent work of Euell Gibbons and others of the American survivalist/outdoorsman/weed-eating/bush-tactics frame of reference.

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Re: Cars, Necros, Bumps, and Double-Posts
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2008, 08:20:07 am »
I just had to bump this thread to say that after I read those two books by Kunstler (The Geography of Nowhere and The Long Emergency), I was fairly depressed. So, the 'burbs can't last and the oil peak's passed; what now, await a return to the 1930's? The 1830's? The Postman meets Waterworld?

Anyhow, since Kunstler recommended some folks with some alternatives to complete nihilism, I thought I might check them out whilst awaiting tEotWaWKI. I'm happy to report that the work of Christopher Alexander and his coauthors provides a much-needed balance to the gloom forecast in Kunstler's books. Maybe, at least, we can rebuild the world along the lines these writers suggest, and change the built environment into a place where people would actually like to be. I highly recommend that every human being on the entire planet immediately peruse a copy of A Pattern Language. This book should be in every home, and well-worn copies should be found in every storefront. Although I have not begun reading its 1200 pages in sequence yet, the part in the middle that I was immediately interested in (how to site a house & c.) was immensely enlightening. If you want to know why the buildings and spaces around you make you feel bad, how to describe that to other people, and what to do to make these places more alive, order this book from your local library today, and don't take no for an answer. Make them get you a copy, even if it is from another library. Don't worry about reading the whole thing. There will be a few things in the book that grab your attention. I think you will find this book very informative.

A Pattern Language is the second in a series of books. The reason I am perusing it as opposed to reading it, is that I am currently reading the first book in the series, namely: The Timeless Way of Building. This first book, a sort of Taoist/Zen meditation on architecture and its relation to creating living human space, is not necessary reading to enjoy the wonderful benefits of A Pattern Language, but it helps. Actually, about halfway through A Timeless Way of Building, I had to refer to Alexander's website and to A Pattern Language for some concrete examples of the abstractions he uses therein.

Apparently dude is also some kind of computer nerd and the pattern language thing has some other implications which you all might know more about. I'm basically reading the book to find out how to make common sense choices about remodeling my house. So, yeah, read this book.

Alexander, Christopher (et al). A Pattern Language. New York: Oxford University Press, 1977. Volume 2 of the Center for Environmental Structure series.

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Re: Cars
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2008, 11:20:23 am »
interesting thread. to add my 2 cents, in britian we have (outside london at least) a shitty public transport system, yet the trains are massively used, since petrol is so expensive (taxed higher than anywhere in the world iirc) and congestion etc. imo we need more bicycle tracks/lanes, and more secure places to leave them.

also i thought of this. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7523144.stm

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Re: Cars
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2008, 01:30:30 pm »
Well, when petrol finally runs dry, people might get back to the smart way of using near quarter supplies rather then the fugly shopping mall centers somewhere miles away. Decentralization along with local supply will be the keywords of future citizens.

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Re: Cars
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2008, 04:10:24 pm »
Steampunks and engineers will inherit the earth!

The only problem with steam engines is the high pressure and temperature stream you keep in them. You get that thing in a car accident and it'll be the end of you. As for the actual power used to heat the steam, a lot of people use geothermal power, so it's pretty clean. You may ask why we don't have many steam cars at this current time? The main reason would be the danger of them being in accidents. Why were they pretty much given up on back in the old days? Brakes. In the 1800's technology couldn't keep up with steam cars so it would take a couple blocks to stop a car doing 30 mph. Today we don't have this problem.

Lighter cars can also go into this category of cars that kill the world slower than other cars. A car that can be powered by an i-4 that's the same engine as many motorcycles use can be more efficeient on fuel than a V8, but it requires the car to be lighter to actually get places in a decent manner. Cars used to use them, why stop?
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Re: Hempcars for Victory!
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2008, 02:18:48 am »
Kentucky hemp can grow above 12' tall, is chiefly stalk, grows fence-row to fence-row, chokes out weeds, needs practically no pesticides or fertilizer, contains little or no psychoactive properties except in prohibitively large amounts, is a respected traditional rotation crop, and produces five main outputs:
  • seed oil - for food, medicine and diesel fuel (yes, diesel fuel)
  • seed cake - for food and animal feed
  • bast - long fibers of the stalk, for making rope and textiles
  • hurd - decorticated cellulose of the stalk, for ethanol and bioplastics
  • leaf - for mulch and soil replenishment

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4080/hemp2ub1.jpg
http://www.torontohemp.com/hempuses.jpg

http://www.lexingtonhistorymuseum.org/archives/postcards/bluegrass/images/ky01086.jpg
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/images/hemp04.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulosic_ethanol
http://www.drivingethanol.org/ethanol_facts/cellulosic.aspx
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Processing ethanol from cellulose has the potential to squeeze at least twice as much fuel from the same area of land currently producing grain for ethanol.

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It has also received attention in recent years as a possible source of biodiesel.

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Biofuels such as biodiesel and alcohol fuel can be made from the oils in hemp seeds and stalks, and the fermentation of the plant as a whole, respectively. The energy from hemp may be high based on acreage or weight, but can be low based on the volume of the light weight harvested hemp.[citation needed] It does, however, produce more energy per acre per year than corn, sugar, flax, or any other crop currently grown for ethanol or biodiesel.[citation needed]
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Henry Ford grew industrial hemp on his estate after 1937,[27] possibly to prove the cheapness of methanol production at Iron Mountain. He made plastic cars with wheat straw, hemp and sisal. (Popular Mechanics, Dec. 1941, "Pinch Hitters for Defense.") In 1892, Rudolph Diesel invented the diesel engine, which he intended to fuel "by a variety of fuels, especially vegetable and seed oils."[28][29][30][31]

http://www.hempcar.org/diesel.shtml
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Diesel originally thought that the diesel engine, (readily adaptable in size and utilizing locally available fuels) would enable independent craftsmen and artisans to endure the powered competition of large industries that then virtually monopolized the predominant power source-the oversized, expensive, fuel-wasting steam engine.
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Diesel expected that his engine would be powered by vegetable oils (including hemp) and seed oils. At the 1900 World's Fair, Diesel ran his engines on peanut oil. Later, George Schlichten invented a hemp 'decorticating' machine that stood poised to revolutionize paper making. Henry Ford demonstrated that cars can be made of, and run on, hemp.

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The diesel engine has the benefit of running more fuel-efficiently than gasoline engines. Diesel was especially interested in using coal dust or vegetable oil as fuel, and his engine in fact ran on peanut oil. Although these fuels were not immediately popular, recent rises in fuel prices coupled with concerns about oil reserves have led to more widespread use of vegetable oil and biodiesel. The primary source of fuel remains what became known as Diesel fuel, an oil byproduct derived from refinement of petroleum.

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The first diesel engines (by Rudolph Diesel in 1894) were invented to run on hempseed oil; petroleum wasn't synthesized to mimic hempseed oil for over a decade. Therefore hempseed oil was the primary fuel for automobiles for over 30 years after the invention of the first internal combustion engine.

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Re: Cars
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2008, 07:56:57 pm »
Don't forget about marijuana hemp, it is takes 4x less chemical processing to turn hemp into paper than it does lumber, it also replenishes quicker without destroying the soil. America's constitution was drafted on hemp paper, it's funny as hell that something so productive is outlawed and can only be legally grown by the government because some noobs like to smoke it and waste their lives away.
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