This is as a player, not moderator.
I believe I made the first suggestion that tremfusion get their own forums. Based on the statements of members of the tremfusion dev team that they are forking, aim to steal tremulous players (in affect, attempting to damage one free community for the furtherance of your own), intend to break compatibility when tremfusion has a sufficient player base ( as mentioned previously, by "stealing" tremulous players), etc, it does not seem unreasonable that I am bothered by the apparent attempt to damage one community solely to benefit your own. Personally, I have no real problem with forks if they are reasonable. But for gods sake, if you intend to stand on your own two feet, then do that. Attempting to benefit a community by actively damaging another is pretty low, and I've read too many statements that indicate to me that even if tremfusion now intends to maintain compatibility, I don't think I could accept that statement on its face considering there was once and may still be a stated intent to maintain community ties in order to further your own community at the express expense of another... People will do as they wish and go where they wish, including speaking their mind about your actions.
Now I see one member state you are forking, while another says you are not. And then an argument on semantics. I can't say its not, but I certainly can't say I'm not suspicious of the motives of a group who acts in such a manner. Perhaps if an honest and cohesive answer about the direction of tremfusion could be given it would have some meaning. Unfortunately, there has been so much damage done in terms of trust that I doubt anything but long term action will rebuild that bridge.
My thoughts about sv_pure are that members of the tremfusion team do not appear to remember the various pk3's that have been added to base by ignorant and/or uncaring admins that are then downloaded by everyone who connects, and loaded every time they connect to non-pure servers. People who have a large number of maps/base mods have a hell of a time tracking down which pk3 is causing these issues on non pure servers, particularly when there are multiple base/mod directories and the mod/map causing issues may have the same name as an existing one. super size tyrants? Various sound mods? A server running a mod out of the base directory? On a non-pure server it would be a no-brainer for a malicious/ignorant admin to create pk3's with a name that puts it in the front of the path list and is filled with bogus and/or messed up models/textures/etc that just happen to be named after all of the textures in ATCS, or whichever. sv_pure helps to maintain a consistent environment for all players within a server and across servers. Can it be broken? Sure, but you will have noone to blame but yourself when all sorts of crazy shit starts happening to your tremulous experience and the experience of those who visit your server, and any subsequent non pure server. If you are a coder and/or knowledgable about these things, it can be relatively simple to locate these problems. If you don't know how to find your qkey, you will have a hell of a time. Personally, I would prefer if people didn't have their tremulous installs ruined by visiting a server.
Not to mention that by bypassing pure, a client is actively cheating, or, going against the rules of the server operator.
Anyone remember mappers releasing different versions of a map, but with the same named pk3 file? unpure servers had a hell of a time with this, pure servers mostly didn't notice. On unpure servers, you would actually start playing on a map that differed from the map the server used. Quite confusing to say the least. How much of a problem this would appear to be would depend on how many and what kind of changes were made to the pk3.
I'll stop there for now.
Frankly, its more important that admins be aware of the kind of a mess that they can cause if they opt out of this option.
And Bissig, get a grip. There are members of MG who have been involved in some way in tremulous for more than 2 years now. We've been actively attempted to benefit the tremulous community for quite some time, it was part of our charter and continues to be an important aspect of the group. That some of us are vocal should be expected. That members of a group formed to benefit a community should become more deeply involved in that community should not be a surprise. People don't bother to say shit when MG members disagree with each other, but of course start this tired old crap whenever our individual voices show consensus, or should everyone who disagrees with you shut the hell up just because they happen to have other affiliations?
