Author Topic: Advanceed Tyrant (Read 12787 times)

tyranto999 · « **on:** February 17, 2009, 04:46:07 am »

I'm sorry if there is already a post on this issue.
But I'm wondering that all aliens have an advanced form except Tyrants. So why not
have an advanced Tyrant with more health, two heads, healing aura and more damage. It would equal out the alien team since
they don't have guns or Armour.

Zero Ame · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2009, 05:20:39 am »

Quote from: tyranto999 on February 17, 2009, 04:46:07 am

I'm sorry if there is already a post on this issue.
But I'm wondering that all aliens have an advanced form except Tyrants.

AND the dretch...

David · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2009, 06:06:47 am »

Been there, done that, it didn't work.
Adding new massively powerful things has a tendency to unbalance things.

TremX added an Adv Tryant, but that didn't even pretend to be balanced.
I think wireddd is trying to make a more balanced version, poke around in mod releases or wherever

Tycho · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2009, 07:39:41 am »

Quote from: David on February 17, 2009, 06:06:47 am

Been there, done that, it didn't work.
Adding new massively powerful things has a tendency to unbalance things.

TremX added an Adv Tryant, but that didn't even pretend to be balanced.

Yup... that thing was even harder to chase down and eliminate then the original and it was totally worth the 9 evos it costed, also when boosted it had a ranged attack capable of taking out an entire human base if it was built compact... (well shields could defend the base but that stuff costed too much) - not sure if the current TremX version is like this though.

anyway TremX is awesome if you have a human team that knows when and how to do stuff properly... like not infecting the whole team with medistation camping, etc...

juckto · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2009, 08:26:15 pm »

Why not have a weaker version is S2?

David · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2009, 08:36:54 pm »

Why not give the humans an insta-win nuke?

The question you should ask, is why *should* you do that?

juckto · « **Reply #6 on:** February 18, 2009, 08:39:26 am »

+Edit. Because you can? I don't care, I didn't start the thread. I'm just suggesting what could be done to get an "adv" tyrant without introducing super-powerful units.

Urcscumug · « **Reply #7 on:** February 18, 2009, 12:51:46 pm »

Think about the characteristics of the existing units for a moment.

What is the rant about? Big, can't jump much, lots of HP, powerful slash. The powerful attack and high HP balances with the relative lack of mobility and big target. You touch any of these alone and you get an unbalanced unit.

To adapt the rant to S2, if you make it "weaker", which means lower the HP and damage, you also need to push up the mobility (I'm guessing you don't want to touch the size ie. bounding box). So you get a rant with lower HP, weaker damage, who can jump and move faster.

Sound familiar? To me it looks like the normal goon, only bigger and not quite as fast. I for one don't see the point of a 3rd, fatter, slower goon.

The size alone makes it unworkable. The rant is so big that the moment it enters a base everything and everybody will shoot (and hit) it, from turrets to the builder's blaster. So the high HP is a must have and even so the player needs to estimate very well when it's time to withdraw (if he wasn't on a suicide run). In fact, one might argue that the whole raison d'etre of the rant is as a heavy assault unit.

Nux · « **Reply #8 on:** February 18, 2009, 02:09:14 pm »

While there certainly exist drawbacks to being the more bulky aliens, it's not completely true that if you change just one aspect it will create imbalance. Bear in mind that the Adv. forms need to have some sort of return for the evo investment. This could be given in the form of a single upgrade to one attribute. It's just a lot more interesting to give greater upgrades to a number attributes (e.g. running speed, slashing rate, heath etc.) and then add some small disadvantage (larger hitbox) to compensate for it.

tyranto999 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2009, 02:45:09 am »

Why not balance the human portion introducing laser gun turrets or Rocket launchers?

KamikOzzy · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2009, 03:51:45 am »

Go for it.

Annihilation · « **Reply #11 on:** February 19, 2009, 04:29:14 am »

I want humans to have alien heat seaking rocket launchers that do 800 direct damage with area spread decreasing in small portions for twice the length of amine's proximity mines. Then give aliens flying tyrants with unlimited acid barbs and 1000 hp that one hit fly maul battle suits to counter. Then put everything in space, and start giving them yellow hair, and then make the maps the size of galaxies, because the super tyrants and the new 15k damage nukes destory single planets in one hit. Then name Ozzy goku and kill him 14 times.

mooseberry · « **Reply #12 on:** February 19, 2009, 05:53:15 am »

Quote from: Annihilation on February 19, 2009, 04:29:14 am

I want humans to have alien heat seaking rocket launchers that do 800 direct damage with area spread decreasing in small portions for twice the length of amine's proximity mines. Then give aliens flying tyrants with unlimited acid barbs and 1000 hp that one hit fly maul battle suits to counter. Then put everything in space, and start giving them yellow hair, and then make the maps the size of galaxies, because the super tyrants and the new 15k damage nukes destory single planets in one hit. Then name Ozzy goku and kill him 14 times.

Nice idea, but I'm worried about potential balance issues.

cactusfrog · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2009, 06:13:57 am »

Quote from: blood2.0 on May 06, 2007, 01:21:14 am

Quote from: Pacra
HOW ABOUT AN ADVANCED SUPER MEGA TYRANT WITH A JETPACK ON EACH OF ITS LEGS AND A BACK MOUNTED MISSILE LAUNCHER THAT SHOOTS ATOMIC WARHEADZ THAT DESTROYS EVERYTHING ON TEH MAOP BUT DEN THE HUMANS NEED AN ORBITAL ION CANNON THAT CAN KILL IT

YEAH

That sounds like a great idea for a cheat but make it breath fire

Kaleo · « **Reply #14 on:** February 19, 2009, 07:14:13 am »

What happened to that pic of Stannum's of the Human tyrant?

Urcscumug · « **Reply #15 on:** February 19, 2009, 07:50:14 am »

I want to see that... and yet I don't. I'm thorn.

The ultimate question in cross breeding:

+

= ?
And: will it give milk?
Although, to be fair, when I think of milk I think of grangers, for some reason. They just seem more nurturing.

Archangel · « **Reply #16 on:** February 19, 2009, 08:05:33 am »

Quote from: Kaleo on February 19, 2009, 07:14:13 am

What happened to that pic of Stannum's of the Human tyrant?

You mean my wallpaper?

Zero Ame · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2009, 01:51:22 pm »

Quote from: Tycho on February 17, 2009, 07:39:41 am

Quote from: David on February 17, 2009, 06:06:47 am
Been there, done that, it didn't work.
Adding new massively powerful things has a tendency to unbalance things.

TremX added an Adv Tryant, but that didn't even pretend to be balanced.

Yup... that thing was even harder to chase down and eliminate then the original and it was totally worth the 9 evos it costed, also when boosted it had a ranged attack capable of taking out an entire human base if it was built compact... (well shields could defend the base but that stuff costed too much) - not sure if the current TremX version is like this though.

anyway TremX is awesome if you have a human team that knows when and how to do stuff properly... like not infecting the whole team with medistation camping, etc...

Its very obvious neither of you have played on tremx in a LONG time. They have just recently overhauled their entire mod and it is very much so balanced. And yes, they adv Rant does have 1 barb it can shoot that ONLY regenerates when hes been to a boost but it cant destroy 1 building, it can kill anyone with only larmour or none at all and does splash damage but it cant destroy a base.

EDIT:
Thats rant looks 1337 Archangle

Archangel · « **Reply #18 on:** February 20, 2009, 09:38:06 pm »

Archangel*

But, I have to agree, Trepidus is pretty well balanced. I had a lot of fun playing it.

David · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2009, 10:24:27 pm »

If you want to argue semantics, Trepidus/korx may be well balanced (I never played either) but tremx isn't.

Hendrich · « **Reply #20 on:** February 21, 2009, 12:37:36 am »

Quote from: David on February 20, 2009, 10:24:27 pm

If you want to argue semantics, Trepidus/korx may be well balanced (I never played either) but tremx isn't.

Unless you like having your teammates bringing their alien AIDS into the base infecting everybody. -.-

Quote from: Zero Ame on February 20, 2009, 01:51:22 pm

Its very obvious neither of you have played on tremx in a LONG time. They have just recently overhauled their entire mod and it is very much so balanced. And yes, they adv Rant does have 1 barb it can shoot that ONLY regenerates when hes been to a boost but it cant destroy 1 building, it can kill anyone with only larmour or none at all and does splash damage but it cant destroy a base.

Heh, I remembered playing with that updated mod a long time ago in a retarded map, but the rant can use the barb to do immense splash damage on structures, if I remembered correctly.

Zero Ame · « **Reply #21 on:** February 21, 2009, 01:24:24 am »

@David It is very balanced, I think your just a noob player at it. The point isn't to find out if TremX is balanced or not, the point is that an Advanced Tyrant would be a really good add for Tremulous and even if the one on TremX wasn't balanced, it can defiantly be made balanced.

Also, Korx doesn't exist, KoR is the clan that made TremX

@Hendrich Their new mod release only just came out like 2 weeks ago. And this update made it do splash to buildings yes but it stills doesnt do very much and it doesnt regenerate unless they have poisen and even then the regen is slow.

kevlarman · « **Reply #22 on:** February 21, 2009, 04:40:38 am »

Quote from: Zero Ame on February 21, 2009, 01:24:24 am

Also, Korx doesn't exist, KoR is the clan that made TremX

wrong, f0rqu3 (aka vcxzet aka biotxc aka too many more to list) created tremx long before kor existed. recently wireddd spent a lot of time cleaning up and rebalancing tremx (the mod was named korx for a short time)

temple · « **Reply #23 on:** February 21, 2009, 07:55:09 am »

I know this isn't a serious threat....

I hate rants and I hate luci's. They are cool for the setting of the game but suck in public games.

I would rather have an alien with goon damage and pouncing but basilisk size.
Humans, I'd rather a jetpack that thrusts rather than hovers.

Archangel · « **Reply #24 on:** February 21, 2009, 09:41:30 am »

Luci is wonderful. Painsaw is better. Luci that shoots running painsaws?

mooseberry · « **Reply #25 on:** February 21, 2009, 09:15:58 pm »

Quote from: Archangel on February 21, 2009, 09:41:30 am

Luci is wonderful. Painsaw is better. Luci that shoots running painsaws?

This is old, but still applies well, so I thought I had to post it:

OMG RPC

player1 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 22, 2009, 01:28:17 am »

maek nao, plox!

Redsky · « **Reply #27 on:** February 22, 2009, 04:29:06 pm »

Quote from: kevlarman on February 21, 2009, 04:40:38 am

wrong, f0rqu3 (aka vcxzet ...)

OMFG f0rqu3==vcsxzet ?

holy cow, I always thought they were 2 people and wasn't sure who developed tremx.

korX(or whatever it is called now) is more balanced in that way its more default tremulous than tremX - i mean, less infection ("OMG gat away from meh nooobz you got AIDS!!!1!") i mean less powerfull, adv dretches don't deal as much damage as they did, shootie gren's don't really kick ass anymore... and adv Tyrants - they don't even have to spit acid because no one is impressed by it. The only thing that is really cool is per 1hp regeneration - i was and I still am fan of the good old tremX, because it was cool the way it was "unbalanced" - in fact it wasn't so unbalanced it just needed more skills and its gameplay differed from regular one(humies were more mobile - i still remember cloak building(run, turn on cloak, run more, build rep if safe, recharge cloak, run even more - place new base

, that was just epic). Sad thing about tremX is that luci didn't get anything, so it was kinda useless

Thorn · « **Reply #28 on:** February 22, 2009, 07:15:50 pm »

Quote from: Urcscumug on February 19, 2009, 07:50:14 am

I want to see that... and yet I don't. I'm thorn.

what

Archangel · « **Reply #29 on:** February 22, 2009, 07:45:46 pm »

Quote from: Redsky on February 22, 2009, 04:29:06 pm

OMFG f0rqu3==vcsxzet ?

even I knew that :/

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