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Re: World Politics
« Reply #120 on: February 28, 2010, 02:05:09 am »
Holy shit:

Reason: Swimming pool chemicals, death toll: 4,060

Drinking too much water with clorine?

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Re: Underwater World
« Reply #121 on: February 28, 2010, 07:58:32 am »
Holy shit:

Reason: Swimming pool chemicals, death toll injuries: 4,060

Drinking too much water with clorine?

These causes of injuries

It can't be from drinking too much water with chlorine or fluoride, as Americans ought to be quite used to that by now.

from Wikipedia:
In addition, over 1,730 health industry professionals, including one Nobel prize winner in medicine (Arvid Carlsson), doctors, dentists, scientists and researchers from a variety of disciplines are calling for an end to water fluoridation in an online petition to Congress.[34] The petition signers express concern for vulnerable groups like "small children, above average water drinkers, diabetics, and people with poor kidney function," who they believe may already be overdosing on fluoride.[34] Another concern that the petition signers share is, "The admission by federal agencies, in response to questions from a Congressional subcommittee in 1999-2000, that the industrial grade waste products used to fluoridate over 90% of America's drinking water supplies (fluorosilicate compounds) have never been subjected to toxicological testing nor received FDA approval for human ingestion."[34] The petition was sponsored by the Fluoride Action Network of Canton, New York, the most active anti-fluoridation organization in North America.

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Re: World Politics
« Reply #122 on: March 02, 2010, 12:23:50 pm »
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Re: Underwater World
« Reply #123 on: March 02, 2010, 06:56:11 pm »
Holy shit:

Reason: Swimming pool chemicals, death toll injuries: 4,060

Drinking too much water with clorine?

These causes of injuries

It can't be from drinking too much water with chlorine or fluoride, as Americans ought to be quite used to that by now.

from Wikipedia:
In addition, over 1,730 health industry professionals, including one Nobel prize winner in medicine (Arvid Carlsson), doctors, dentists, scientists and researchers from a variety of disciplines are calling for an end to water fluoridation in an online petition to Congress.[34] The petition signers express concern for vulnerable groups like "small children, above average water drinkers, diabetics, and people with poor kidney function," who they believe may already be overdosing on fluoride.[34] Another concern that the petition signers share is, "The admission by federal agencies, in response to questions from a Congressional subcommittee in 1999-2000, that the industrial grade waste products used to fluoridate over 90% of America's drinking water supplies (fluorosilicate compounds) have never been subjected to toxicological testing nor received FDA approval for human ingestion."[34] The petition was sponsored by the Fluoride Action Network of Canton, New York, the most active anti-fluoridation organization in North America.

People kicking up a fuss because they have to pay taxes. If you brush your teeth, you're using fluoride.

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Re: Underwater World
« Reply #124 on: March 02, 2010, 08:34:35 pm »
Holy shit:

Reason: Swimming pool chemicals, death toll injuries: 4,060

Drinking too much water with clorine?

These causes of injuries

It can't be from drinking too much water with chlorine or fluoride, as Americans ought to be quite used to that by now.

from Wikipedia:
In addition, over 1,730 health industry professionals, including one Nobel prize winner in medicine (Arvid Carlsson), doctors, dentists, scientists and researchers from a variety of disciplines are calling for an end to water fluoridation in an online petition to Congress.[34] The petition signers express concern for vulnerable groups like "small children, above average water drinkers, diabetics, and people with poor kidney function," who they believe may already be overdosing on fluoride.[34] Another concern that the petition signers share is, "The admission by federal agencies, in response to questions from a Congressional subcommittee in 1999-2000, that the industrial grade waste products used to fluoridate over 90% of America's drinking water supplies (fluorosilicate compounds) have never been subjected to toxicological testing nor received FDA approval for human ingestion."[34] The petition was sponsored by the Fluoride Action Network of Canton, New York, the most active anti-fluoridation organization in North America.

People kicking up a fuss because they have to pay taxes. If you brush your teeth, you're using fluoride.

If you drink your tooth paste.. you are stupid. If you don't, then there is a difference between drinking fluorid enhanced water and using fluorid enhanced tooth paste.

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Re: For Mario: gold, Euros and the ppl who play w/ r money
« Reply #125 on: May 18, 2010, 08:36:09 pm »
Some global economic news I surfed by today:

the “Zimbabweisation” of the global equity market

Note that when Jim Cramer tries to tell the hoi polloi to bet on a horse, the oi oligoi already knows that horse's racing days are over. It means the big money is moving out and starting to place bets on how many suckers can still be found. As the barker outside the snake-oil tent, it's Cramer's job to get those people to step inside and watch the big roulette wheel spin.

Quote from: some dude's blog
The market seems to be grasping at the same trade. The inflation trade. The world is awash in easy money. That money can and will find its way into the financial markets. The easy money is already finding its way into the equity market, bond markets and the new safe haven currency - gold. Dennis Gartman calls it the Zimbabwe-ization of the global markets.

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Turnaround Tuesday is here as we look for a turnaround in the fortunes of oil, gold and the U.S. Dollar. All are due for a reversal of their latest trend. Oil is massively oversold and due for a rally. Gold and the U.S. Dollar have become a page one item and even Jim Cramer from CNBC is recommending people to buy gold. Both are due for a setback. When Jim Cramer finally gets around to a trend it has probably run its course. Always a good contrarian signal.

Dennis Gartman says moving to sidelines on gold

"Zimbabwe-ization" of the capital markets in Europe

Gold Investors Should 'Rush to the Exits': Dennis Gartman

At $1,200/oz gold is a risky investment

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Re: World Politics
« Reply #126 on: May 22, 2010, 02:13:49 am »
Interesting links... The last one probably came closest to not having an agenda. The tone in Financialsense has always struck a raw nerve for me, i.e. the Marxism and Communism references designed to incense his tea-party audience. I can almost see the free market fanboys getting all hot and sweaty at their office chairs.  ;) ;D

Here are a few more:
Live gold data. When I see a gold price above the cost to mine it I think of speculation and  tulips.
bbc stuff about the eurofag mess
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Never forget though that the experts make their money by talking and statistics lie. In reality they don't have any more information* than you or I. If they did, they would be putting their money where their mouths are and be out there earning the big bucks. It's easier to make a profit spouting shit about market movements to a desperate audience than it is to actually make money trading. As far as I know they(media) have no fiduciary duty to you. This means their analysis are quite often biased or more often just plain incorrect to the point of being a worthless.

*Unless of course they are plugged into the HFT network. Not to worry though, since you need to be a big fish to get into that game.

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Re: World Politics
« Reply #127 on: July 27, 2011, 02:40:43 am »
What's up..

I'm sure everyone is aware of what's happening now with our financial situation. I stopped posting so you could see this for yourselves if you weren't already convinced. I'd like your opinions on what's going to happen about the U.S. debt ceiling, about the situation and riots in Europe and also the war in Libya.

If this wasn't a big deal then we wouldn't have to vote on to raise it, nor would it receive this much public attention around the world.The choice is simple..

National debt: $14.5 Trillion.
Interest on debt: $3.6 Trillion.
National deficit: $1.3 Trillion.

Raise the debt ceiling: The U.S. continues on its spending spree. Devaluation of the USD continues. The country begins to bury itself even deeper in debt. Social security will begin to pay out more than it receives in the future; but over all the machine keeps rolling (for now).

Don't raise the debt ceiling: The U.S. defaults on its obligations and student loans, social security along with any grants and welfare checks will not go out (in fact Obama guarantees they wont http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG6Mm7RgwS0). Soldiers overseas and others working for the federal government will start seeing their checks either be delayed, or stop coming at all.

Both ways lead off of the side of a mountain. I believe that It's only a matter time.

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It's common sense to look at our own debt and deficits. We're now $11.7 trillion in national debt, $3.80 billion per day. $16.2 trillion by 2012. It's simple, you cannot pay off a loan that has interest, by taking out another loan with interest, and paying the first loan off with it; and then taking out a third loan with interest to pay off the 2nd loan that has interest also. Gold skyrocketed over $1000/oz and USD continues to decline. Telling people this is troubling for me, because they have a hard time not understanding it or they refuse to listen to the truth.
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Re: World Politics
« Reply #128 on: July 27, 2011, 08:03:59 pm »
World ends 2012, so just keep raising the debt ceiling until the Mayans prediction comes true.

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Re: World Politics
« Reply #129 on: July 28, 2011, 05:00:13 am »
What's up..

I'm sure everyone is aware of what's happening now with our financial situation. I stopped posting so you could see this for yourselves if you weren't already convinced. I'd like your opinions on what's going to happen about the U.S. debt ceiling, about the situation and riots in Europe and also the war in Libya.

If this wasn't a big deal then we wouldn't have to vote on to raise it, nor would it receive this much public attention around the world.The choice is simple..

National debt: $14.5 Trillion.
Interest on debt: $3.6 Trillion.
National deficit: $1.3 Trillion.

Raise the debt ceiling: The U.S. continues on its spending spree. Devaluation of the USD continues. The country begins to bury itself even deeper in debt. Social security will begin to pay out more than it receives in the future; but over all the machine keeps rolling (for now).

Don't raise the debt ceiling: The U.S. defaults on its obligations and student loans, social security along with any grants and welfare checks will not go out (in fact Obama guarantees they wont http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG6Mm7RgwS0). Soldiers overseas and others working for the federal government will start seeing their checks either be delayed, or stop coming at all.

Both ways lead off of the side of a mountain. I believe that It's only a matter time.

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It's common sense to look at our own debt and deficits. We're now $11.7 trillion in national debt, $3.80 billion per day. $16.2 trillion by 2012. It's simple, you cannot pay off a loan that has interest, by taking out another loan with interest, and paying the first loan off with it; and then taking out a third loan with interest to pay off the 2nd loan that has interest also. Gold skyrocketed over $1000/oz and USD continues to decline. Telling people this is troubling for me, because they have a hard time not understanding it or they refuse to listen to the truth.

The thing is, we can start to make a recovery if we can cut spending significantly.  Raising the Debt Ceiling is the only foothold we have at current times.  We need to use it as a means to re-structure and re-confine our spending though, not as an excuse to keep ourselves from failing.  The majority of military personal and almost all military funding needs to be cut.  We have to have troops ready because world war could possibly be on brink of happening, but we should not be out looking for ways to waste money in the war.  Large companies need to handle their own problems and not receive bail outs.  The money should come out of the top dogs pockets, not the lower level employees and standard us citizens.  We need a re-structured taxing system that pays more attention to the difference between lower class, middles class, high class, and rich.  85-90% of government aid and funding programs need to be removed, in turn taxes need to be re-bracketed into an e system.  It should start at 0% and raise up to a maximum of 45% on an e-scale.   Right now, once middle class but now poor class people who make barely enough to get by are taxed 35% and up.  The government should recognize that taking away that 35% from your low end income families only hurts them and the economy.  It increases need and usage of government programs such as food stamps, WIC, unemployment, free health care facilities, and etc.  Those programs cost significantly more money than we receive in taxes from the poor-scale members of society.  Allowing them to keep a higher % of their paychecks would instead allow them avoid the use of funding, lowering the need to pay for not only employees but building costs, supply costs, and other misc useless expenses that come with government aid programs.  

To me a good system would be something along the lines of

$0-$8,500   0%
$8,500-$24,500   5%
$24,500-$40,000   12%
$40,000-$74,400   22%
$74,400-$150,150 34%
$150,150-$350,00 38%
$350,000 - $1,000,000 42%
$1,000,000 - $2,500,000 45%
$2,500,000+ 48%

Of course that is rough %'s to get a general idea.  It would need to be scaled properly so that a 2,500,001 dollar gross income would still take home slightly more than a 2,499,999 dollar gross income.

Bump up the rich slightly more but re-define rich as 6 digits and not as 250,000.  Then greatly bump down the lower-tier incomes tax rates.  Between state and federal most standard family incomes get taxed 30-35%.  When the economy is in it's current state and cost of living is so ridiculous a $40,000 income can not afford to be taxed $14,000 of it away.  It would put more money into the hands of people who stimulate the economy by shopping inside our country.  The rich members of society do a lot of spending outside of the country and they also buy things that don't really provide any beneficiary to the economy.  

That's what I think anyway.  I'm all for raising the Debt Ceiling one last time if it means actually taking huge forward progress towards fixing what needs to be fixed.  If they're just raising it to raise it, however, and leave the country in it's continued downward spiral, are they would be doing is making the inevitable crash worse while slightly delayed.
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Re: World Politics
« Reply #130 on: July 28, 2011, 11:22:24 am »
Pretty good response there silver. Agreed that spending needs to be cut or at the very least shifted into better projects than smartbombing deserts. A tax hike is also necessary and the reasonable place to start would be with high income/ high wealth individuals and by unwinding the web of tax exemptions/subsidies/perks high power interests have been lobbying for for the last decades. It's a good start.

Let the dollar value go down and start exporting stuff again (besides war and promises). Inflate away some of that debt (sorry pensioners)

The problem is it's easier said than done. The people in the top wealth bracket have nothing to do all day but guard their incomes and they are not going to take that kind of a shift lying down. It will probably lead to a massive flight of wealth (just like it recently did in greece) and some pretty nasty tactics to hold onto perks gained.

I'd go the other way though with social security and the like. I'd boost them and get the bottom tier of society back into the system and not so they are just a drain on society. It's a wealth transfer but at the same time it stimulates demand. Get people back into work producing stuff people actually need (not just what the top tier wants) and you will see a positive boost in the economy. The idea henry ford had with his t-ford was to have an automobile that the workers in his plant could afford. That turned out rather well for him. :)
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Re: World Politics
« Reply #131 on: July 29, 2011, 06:45:31 am »
I think this is a pretty nice, short, and clear video of some ideas which mostly I agree with. While its said in simplistic terms and may be a bit optimistic, overall these are definitely general ideas I am behind. I'll just say I'm not a huge fan of the America-penis stroking at the end either but it doesn't detract from the ideas.

Along with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, I would also strongly support ending, or at least seriously limiting the scope of the so-called "War on Drugs". Besides the fact that I believe marijuana should not be illegal (different topic) all it does is fill the jails full of people who otherwise would have no quibble with the government or law but for the fact that they commit "victimless "crimes"". The drug war has been a great success.. for the prison industry (Can I also just point out for-profit prisons have to be one of the worst ideas of all time, any system which benefits strictly from more people being sent to jail is an inherently dangerous setup) but for many lower class members (how many rich white people do you really think go to jail for smoking weed) it alienates the whole society against the government (and who can blame them if an african american man has something like a 1 in 5 (higher?) chance of imprisonment in his lifetime, mostly for petty drug crimes). Around 70 billion a year is spent in the prison system.

But a huge part of fixing our economic trouble is creating revenue for paying off the debt, which means more taxes, definitely more (or changed relationship anyways) on the wealthy. For many people outside the US this probably seems like a no brainer, especially if they understand the situation fully, but the wealthy have done a great job of getting the middle class to defend the wealthy at the expense of... wait for it... the middle class themselves.
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This is why "Joe" the "Plumber" exists as a media figure.
In his mind, he's not shifting the tax burden from the wealthy onto the shrinking middle class. Although he doesn't have anything like realistic earnings projections or a business plan to support the notion, he sees himself as a millionaire on hard times, just waiting for that lucky lottery-style windfall to come his way.
And when it does, he sure won't want to pay taxes on those millions.

A lot of these are long term moves, which are inevitable, but things need to happen _fast_, which, unfortunetly, given the current political climate, (yeah ok  inevitable bias in choice, but important story I think) it is not easy to accomplish anything quickly and well.

Moves need to be made ASAP though. If we hit the debt ceiling and still can't pay off, our credit rating will get dropped from AAA to _minimum_ AA, which means, among many not good things, we get higher interest rates, and some banks have covenants that certain brackets have to be AAA, which means they will have to sell it and tank the prices of our debt.

So yea, troubles.  
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Re: World Politics
« Reply #132 on: July 29, 2011, 03:37:12 pm »
It should be noted that I've very little knowledge of the specifics of corporate law and the state of word economics today (the devil is in the detail), but it seems like we've created a system that breeds corporate monsters that on close inspection look like groups of people but on the large scale are doing things to survive that none of the individuals ever imagined. My point is, never forget that you yourself are a creature made up of millions of smaller creatures each of which has the inclination to survive, but some of which are designed to die. At least we humans have the benifit of being able to move location and function (even if we rarely do).
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Re: World Politics
« Reply #133 on: July 29, 2011, 06:22:01 pm »
yes nux, by definition, a corporation is a cybernetic life form, with humans and machines and buildings making up its "organs".

this is why i hate them so much.  they exist solely to make a profit, by any means necessary.  they even self destruct in doing so, sometimes.  somehow, somewhere along the line the laws binding corporations have gotten skewed.  originally, a corporation were a group of people forming some sort of company for a specific purpose.  once this purpose was accomplished, the corporation was disbanded.

traces of this are seen in "mission statements".  you'll notice that these are never able to be "completed".  for example:

"We aspire to be the most admired and valuable company in the world. Our goal is to enrich our customers' personal lives and to make their businesses more successful by bringing to market exciting and useful communications services, building shareowner value in the process."

"We save people money so they can live better."

"To experience the emotion of competition, winning and crushing competitors"

"To be the most admired bank"

"To inspire and nurture the human spirit— one person, one cup, and one neighbourhood at a time"

"Our Vision To become the world's leading consumer company for automotive products and services"

"to be the most successful computer company in the world at delivering the best customer experience in markets we serve"

these are all goals that are really unattainable.  they can never be completed.  or, in some cases, they CAN be completed, but they cannot be maintained.

i dont have the facts right in front of me at the moment, but i believe these fundamental changes to how corporations work are a direct result of the lobbying industry, AKA - legalized bribery.

and again, the sheer proportion of people in the tremulous community that have a fair grasp of what's really going on in the world today staggers me.  nowhere else not associated with a particular ideology have i seen so many.
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Re: World Politics
« Reply #134 on: July 30, 2011, 04:47:32 pm »
What are we talking about here? I'm tl;dr'ing it. But from RAK's last post: I'm surprised I agree with you politically. I hate corporations. Did you know that Apple officially has more money than the US gov't? Maybe they should start selling iPads.. This is what pisses me off. You need taxes on the rich, otherwise everywhere else goes broke. Do we not remember what happened in france? I think we should revolt, js.

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Re: World Politics
« Reply #135 on: July 30, 2011, 06:11:26 pm »
The riots will come when the states starts to really shaft the middle class peoples. Until then, the people getting the worst of it are the lower class and the vast majority isn't passionate enough to do anything about it. The more time that goes on, the more the middle class gets fucked out of their money, and the more pissed off they are. I give the states another generation or two of kids before the SHTF. I think that the 20 year olds today are less like sheeple than the 20 year olds of 30-50 years ago, and I think their kids are going to be even smarter. The time will come.
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Re: World Politics
« Reply #136 on: July 30, 2011, 09:40:41 pm »
You need taxes on the rich, otherwise everywhere else goes broke.
rofl.
just curious, what is so funny about the statement?

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Re: World Politics
« Reply #137 on: August 10, 2011, 03:11:49 am »
How would you define the global financial system? My definition would go something like this:

Global Financial System: "A complete house of cards."

The jig is up, the debt ceiling is exactly what it is, a ceiling, that means on principle that it was created to say enough is enough with borrowing. This house of cards was built by the same people who intend to knock it down. Unified currency; also created by the ones who engineered everything that's happening now. That is the future and I'm sure everyone here knows it.

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Re: World Politics
« Reply #138 on: August 10, 2011, 04:26:23 am »
cool rhetoric, bro

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Re: World Politics
« Reply #139 on: August 10, 2011, 09:25:08 am »
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The global financial system (GFS) is the financial system consisting of institutions and regulators that act on the international level, as opposed to those that act on a national or regional level. The main players are the global institutions, such as International Monetary Fund and Bank for International Settlements, national agencies and government departments, e.g., central banks and finance ministries, private institutions acting on the global scale, e.g., banks and hedge funds, and regional institutions, e.g., the Eurozone.

Or as you so eloquently put it:

"Complete house of cards"

In a word. Yes. But lets hope it doesn't come crumbling down.

All money is debt and all debt is money. That paycheck is a claim to some part of the web of debt. The web transcends national boundaries and if you unravel one thread it echoes throughout the system. Without the debt there is no medium of exchange. Money allows you to purchase what you need.

When the liquidity dries up so does trade and investments. People stop producing, buying and everything spirals down from there. You enter a recession where the bad debt is purged from the system, one bankruptcy at a time. Things readjust with people generally depressed about life. Go too fast and things spiral into oblivion. Go too slow and you exacerbate the cycle. 

Who owns the debt? Everyone and noone.  Ask a CDO broker and they may give you a theoretical answer. In practice the financial system has become so complex and interwoven that it's difficult to make heads or tails of it. Everyone in the sense that the biggest holders of debt are pension funds. Noone in the sense that nobody controls it fully (here is where the conspiracy theories about the Bilderburg group stumble IMHO). Where does China end and the US begin? No clue, it works as long as people have faith in it. For better or worse our fates are interwoven. Greek debt is owned by German pensioners, for the greeks to default the germans have to take a haircut. For the greeks to stay afloat the germans have to provide the liquidity.

If people completely lose faith you have a scene from a bad zombie movie. To insist on such an adjustment is rather extreme and stinks of an agenda. Most people can not afford to let it get that bad. They need to work from check to check to feed and clothe themselves. With so few of us producing the food and the distribution system relying on credit to grease the wheels it can not be allowed to go so far. The ceiling will rise, it must rise. To not pay ones short term obligations is a recipe for disaster. The disaster is just as great as allowing your long term obligations to run amok. The bad debt must be purged or shifted but it is irresponsible to assume it can happen overnight.

Can the debt be paid off? Not without severely damaging the real economy (you know the work-a-day stuff that actually produce the real stuff that keeps the power on and everyone fed). And that is the whole point of the financial system. Something that has been forgotten in the days of casino capitalism. The function of the financial system is to facilitate trade between people.

Going back to the gold standard is no better than what we have now. IMHO
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Re: World Politics
« Reply #140 on: August 10, 2011, 06:42:00 pm »
You need taxes on the rich, otherwise everywhere else goes broke.
rofl.
just curious, what is so funny about the statement?

that's working great so far... all the rich are just wrapping up and going to Swtizerland.  :P
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Re: World Politics
« Reply #141 on: August 10, 2011, 06:52:26 pm »
You need taxes on the rich, otherwise everywhere else goes broke.
rofl.
just curious, what is so funny about the statement?

that's working great so far... all the rich are just wrapping up and going to Swtizerland.  :P
just like they took all the jobs they make to china?
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