Random kicking and lack of admin assistance on US Official server 1.2

[Bunker Gate Seven]

Is there a head admin or anybody that can ensure the admins are abiding and upholding the official rules?  I read the rules and SaS-King attempted to kick me simply for killing him (other team), then I was vote kicked by Trogdor for incorrectly stating I was destroying base when I was attempting to quickly remove items that were unable to be powered.  Neither is against the rules listed on the sticky.

This poor community behaviour and lack of admin responsibility was why I left over a year ago, and had recently felt it had improved.  I was obviously wrong?

[Bunker Gate Seven]

GT-kharnov was the admin on at the time and I realise he may not have had time to correctly react.  He has a log of what happened and can plainly see a case of harassment, I should hope.  I have no idea why SaS-King or Trogdor have issues with me, but if their behavour does not constitute a breach of the official rules and isn't rectified by admins, then what is the point of the rules or the admins?

[kharnov]

Okay. This is everything from my perspective. I was the only non-AFK admin on, and I'm an L3.

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GT-kharnov entered the game
[S] GT-kharnov: I AM VERY FIRM
[H] Bunker Gate Seven: WTF R U DOING?
trogdor796 called a vote: Kick player 'Bunker Gate Seven'
[S] GT-kharnov: ohai
[H] trogdor796: tking base
-SaS><King- was lasgunned by Don Draper
[S] GT-kharnov: errr
[S] GT-kharnov: reason please
[H] trogdor796: tking base
[H] Bunker Gate Seven: THERE WAS NO PIOWER IDIOT THEY WERENT WORKING!@
]/buildlog
buildlog: GT-kharnov requested a log of recent building activity
 88      \_ Egg replaced by GT-SlimyNoodle
*89    9:16 Machinegun Turret built by Paul .
*90    9:39 Acid Tube built by GT-SlimyNoodle
 91      \_ Egg replaced by GT-SlimyNoodle
*92    9:52 Reactor built by Paul .
 93      \_ Reactor replaced by Paul .
*94   10:08 Acid Tube built by GT-SlimyNoodle
*95   10:20 Repeater built by Paul .
*96   10:24 Acid Tube destroyed by trogdor796
*97   10:30 Acid Tube destroyed by trogdor796
*98   10:33 Armoury deconstructed by Paul .
*99   10:33 Acid Tube built by GT-SlimyNoodle
 100     \_ Egg replaced by GT-SlimyNoodle
*101  10:53 Barricade built by GT-SlimyNoodle
*102  10:58 Armoury built by Paul .
*103  11:04 Medistation destroyed by Bunker Gate Seven
*104  11:12 Machinegun Turret destroyed by Bunker Gate Seven
*105  11:17 Acid Tube built by GT-SlimyNoodle
 106     \_ Egg replaced by GT-SlimyNoodle
*107  11:19 Medistation built by Paul .
buildlog: showing 20 build logs 88 - 107 of 64 - 107.
[A] -SaS><King-: bye bye bunker
[H] trogdor796: you dont shoot it mororn
[A] -SaS><King-: :)
[H] trogdor796: idiot
[H] trogdor796: god...
[H] Bunker Gate Seven: fine... complaints coming
Vote passed (6 - 1)
ban: Bunker Gate Seven has been banned by console duration: 5.0 minutes,
reason: vote kick
Bunker Gate Seven has been kicked by console. reason: vote kick
Okay, so I connect and I see the guy destroys some things on buildlog and everyone seems angry at him about it. I think it's reasonable to assume that he did, in fact, destroy things. I didn't cancel the vote. We've had a lot of deconners recently on US Main.

Then Bunker reconnects.

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Bunker Gate Seven entered the game
Bunker Gate Seven joined the humans
Bunker Gate Seven called a vote: Kick player 'trogdor796'
[A] EckleckLighat: always aim for the builder :D
[S] GT-kharnov: reason
[H] Bunker Gate Seven: bleeding
[A] EckleckLighat: no reason
[H] trogdor796: reason?
AikoAiko was zapped by a tesla generator
[H] trogdor796: lol
[H] trogdor796: hi bunker
[A] EckleckLighat: he wouldn't do that on purpose
[H] Bunker Gate Seven: last time i was here
trogdor796 was mauled by -SaS><King-'s Tyrant
Vote failed (2 - 6)
[H] trogdor796: bs man you were the one tking base!
trogdor796 called a vote: Mute player 'Bunker Gate Seven'
[H] Bunker Gate Seven: i've put my complaint in
Vote passed (8 - 1)
mute: Bunker Gate Seven has been muted by console
I don't think it's good form to call votes on people that kicked or muted you, but since the kick vote was going to fail with a vast majority of no votes, I didn't think it was important to cancel it. Then they call a mute vote on him, but I don't usually cancel mute votes. I just unmute the person after a few minutes pass so that both parties cool down.

Bunker then makes his forum post, so I unmute him to ask some things. Around this time, Slacker also connects, so we have two L3s on. We're discussing things with Bunker, things seem reasonable, and then SaS-King starts going ballistic:

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-SaS><King- called a vote: Kick player 'Bunker Gate Seven'
]/cancelvote
Vote failed (0 - 19)
cancelvote: GT-kharnov decided that everyone voted No
[A] -SaS><King-: no stop plaming me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[S] GT-kharnov: declare a reason first
[A] -SaS><King-: spaming
[A] -SaS><King-: and insulting me!!!
[S] GT-kharnov: then /ignore him
[S] GT-kharnov: you don't kick people for spamming
Apparently Bunker was saying something to King over private messages, but again, this is not an offense you kick people for. Now, King begins to get hostile.

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-SaS><King- called a vote: Mute player 'Bunker Gate Seven'
[H] Bunker Gate Seven: i've spammed noone.  this is ridiculous
[S] GT-kharnov: he isn't spamming the server
]/cancelvote
Vote failed (0 - 18)
cancelvote: GT-kharnov decided that everyone voted No
[S] GT-kharnov: use the /ignore command please
Bunker did not say much over public chat, he mostly stuck to private messages. Since King was clearly harassing Bunker with kick and mute votes, I began to cancel them.

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[A] -SaS><King-: you protect bunker and bunker attirat the poeple
[S] GT-kharnov: i'm not protecting anybody. there's a command called /ignore.
use it already
[A] -SaS><King-: ???!!!
[H] Bunker Gate Seven: bye.  i'll look forward to the condump kharn.
Bunker Gate Seven disconnected
[A] -SaS><King-: karno is a fucked admin beacose protect a fucking noob
!!!!!!!!
[S] GT-kharnov: um
[A] -SaS><King-: oups
[A] -SaS><King-: =s
[S] GT-kharnov: i stay completely neutral
[S] GT-kharnov: i've been telling you to use the /ignore command
[A] -SaS><King-: bunker attiring problem
[S] GT-kharnov: you haven't
[A] -SaS><King-: and karnav protect bunker
[S] GT-kharnov: king, i'm not protecting anybody
[A] -SaS><King-: i go tremulous net for renegocing ur admin jugement beacose
you no have any you lose ur admin tittel
[S] GT-kharnov: what
[S] GT-kharnov: okay. back up here.
[S] GT-kharnov: i have condumps of this entire scenario
[A] -SaS><King-: you need good poeple for join admin and you are a bad
[S] GT-kharnov: king, take the issue to the forums
[S] GT-kharnov: i'll gladly post my condump
[A] -SaS><King-: yes and i regocing this whit a realy admin

Huh.

To recap:

• Bunker is kicked for a poor reason, but due to the circumstances I didn't have any time to look into it.
• Bunker is harassed by other players with unexplained kick and mute votes.
• King spouts gibberish about me.
• Nothing of value is achieved.

[Aelita]

AKA - Standard Tremulous Drama.

[Bunker Gate Seven]

I don't think it's good form to call votes on people that kicked or muted you, but since the kick vote was going to fail with a vast majority of no votes, I didn't think it was important to cancel it. Then they call a mute vote on him, but I don't usually cancel mute votes. I just unmute the person after a few minutes pass so that both parties cool down.

Sorry, he really did start bleeding me, before you joined and before he kicked me - so it wasn't a revenge kick vote.  I did not realise you were not there for that.  So I simply did it for that.  The caps when I was talking were for emphasis to stop everybody randomly believing him and voting yes.

Bunker then makes his forum post, so I unmute him to ask some things. Around this time, Slacker also connects, so we have two L3s on. We're discussing things with Bunker, things seem reasonable, and then SaS-King starts going ballistic:

I guarrantee at no time did I PM him.  I can't type fast enough and you know I was PM'ing you that whole time.  I once accidently did /m without a user name and apparently the message went to 4 people.  There was nothing rude, etc in that.  I obviously had no idea that PM's were not logged.

To recap:

• Bunker is kicked for a poor reason, but due to the circumstances I didn't have any time to look into it.
• Bunker is harassed by other players with unexplained kick and mute votes.
• King spouts gibberish about me.
• Nothing of value is achieved.

I am happy you looked into it and as per previous post understood you were not there long enough to make an informed judgement in time.  I wish you were there for the earlier part but thats just the way things are.  I would think you can see at the least Kings behaviour is worthy of some sort of punishment and therefore value can be achieved.  I did not even know you were an admin Kharn and no doubt you've seen me play other games and have not done anything to warrant that sort of harrassment - if I had I'm sure you would remember it.

[CreatureofHell]

Why do the official servers have admins

[Conzul]

Why do the official servers have admins

Someone has to push the ALLREADY button.

[David]

For the same reason every other (decent) server does: to keep the peace.
And I'm betting that the "official server" bit will make them very appealing to greifers.

[CreatureofHell]

For the same reason every other (decent) server does: to keep the peace.
And I'm betting that the "official server" bit will make them very appealing to greifers.

The peace isn't kept. It seems that a lot of this section is filled with complaints.

[Meisseli]

For the same reason every other (decent) server does: to keep the peace.
And I'm betting that the "official server" bit will make them very appealing to greifers.

The peace isn't kept. It seems that a lot of this section is filled with complaints.

Of which 80% are useless.

[Undeference]

I obviously had no idea that PM's were not logged.

They are, but only people with access to the server console/logs can see them. kharnov does not have that access and I doubt that anyone who does really wants to sift through logs for something so minor.

I would think you can see at the least Kings behaviour is worthy of some sort of punishment and therefore value can be achieved.

I'll pretend for five seconds that I banned his country to make you feel better, okay?
Five seconds is up.

[superspirality]

I would think you can see at the least Kings behaviour is worthy of some sort of punishment and therefore value can be achieved.

I'll pretend for five seconds that I banned his country to make you feel better, okay?
Five seconds is up.

Ohh, that made even me feel lighter. Thanks.

[Bunker Gate Seven]

I obviously had no idea that PM's were not logged.

They are, but only people with access to the server console/logs can see them. kharnov does not have that access and I doubt that anyone who does really wants to sift through logs for something so minor.

I would think you can see at the least Kings behaviour is worthy of some sort of punishment and therefore value can be achieved.

I'll pretend for five seconds that I banned his country to make you feel better, okay?
Five seconds is up.

I can tell by your "tone" you think you either funny or sarcastic.  Good luck with that.

No worries about the rest.  I'm over it.  I'd rather pay money for a game that has well run servers - so I have moved on.  I do appreciate the reminder of why I left 1.1 (I have no idea why I thought 1.2 would've had any improvements).  I just came back to the forum to kill a few seconds.

[Meisseli]

If you're leaving due to one vote-kick I doubt you really had any desire to actually play the game. Now that suddenly no action is taken you decide that the game was really bad from the beginning, although you were so thrilled about it the other day, hmm.

If you get votekicked, grab a coffee cup during those five minutes and calm down. Shit happens even in commercial games since they also have privately-run servers.

I wonder what in earth in your opinion should be done. Ban him for a vote-kick? You took a lot of time to read the rules, post here and so on. All that could've been used to play the game and have fun instead of holding grudge for several days over five minutes. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.

[Bunker Gate Seven]

If you're leaving due to one vote-kick I doubt you really had any desire to actually play the game. Now that suddenly no action is taken you decide that the game was really bad from the beginning, although you were so thrilled about it the other day, hmm.

If you get votekicked, grab a coffee cup during those five minutes and calm down. Shit happens even in commercial games since they also have privately-run servers.

I wonder what in earth in your opinion should be done. Ban him for a vote-kick? You took a lot of time to read the rules, post here and so on. All that could've been used to play the game and have fun instead of holding grudge for several days over five minutes. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.

No, I'm leaving because nothing has changed and therefore my desire has diminished because I play other games where the community is not as "strange".  So its no big loss to the Tremulous community that I've left.  This was certainly not the first instance of abuse I've taken, nor by far the first I've seen anybody subjected to (it reminds me of mob mentality with no policing).  I did not expect a ban (though I have seen banned for a lot less - especially after the admin abuse). 

I enjoy a well structured, designed, and rule enforced game.  Anarchy doesn't interest me.  In my experience, I've seen better results in many commercial games.  I am a firm believer in the spirit behind the creation of Tremulous (as an ex programmer), however not at the cost of anything else.  I would be more encouraged to "donate" to this cause than support many commercial games, but only under the correct circumstances.

So I appreciate your opinion, but in short - "I'm not leaving due to >one< vote kick"

[Meisseli]

Fair enough but the community is really rather tame and at least more enjoyable than the general "noob lol" players found in other games (although the bind-spam is horrendous). And I really do fail to see where all this "anarchy" and the mobs burning players at stake are... on top of that the official servers are admined well.

Though now I fail to see the point of the original topic at all if you didn't except a ban or anything to happen. Also I find your behaviour really stupid, you imply you didn't do a revenge vote-kick, but he was bleeding you a long time ago and then you suddenly decided, after being kicked, it was worth a kick?

[Bunker Gate Seven]

Fair enough but the community is really rather tame and at least more enjoyable than the general "noob lol" players found in other games (although the bind-spam is horrendous). And I really do fail to see where all this "anarchy" and the mobs burning players at stake are... on top of that the official servers are admined well.

Though now I fail to see the point of the original topic at all if you didn't except a ban or anything to happen. Also I find your behaviour really stupid, you imply you didn't do a revenge vote-kick, but he was bleeding you a long time ago and then you suddenly decided, after being kicked, it was worth a kick?

The first observation you made is qualitative and therefore really ends up being an opinion.  No more informed than anybody else's except in your own eyes.  I never mentioned stakes (an attempt to add flame or slant to my statements?).  The administration of the official servers is a matter of public debate well evidenced on numerous other threads.  Again its a matter of perspective.

I did "expect" something from the original post, if not enlightening the community a little more to another perspective.  You obviously either were not there or did not read my post correctly because as Trogdor bled me he also did the vote, leaving me without the option to vote him off.  Upon rejoining I immediately did a vote kick.  So your statement is completely incorrect unless you determine a "long time" as being something less than about 10 minutes or the matter of seconds of actual gameplay being being kicked and rejoining?  Again thanks for voicing your opinion, however it really seems nothing more than an axe you want to grind as you have not contributed all that much especially after resorting to incorrect paraphrasing and qualitive measurement.

[Meisseli]

Fair enough but the community is really rather tame and at least more enjoyable than the general "noob lol" players found in other games (although the bind-spam is horrendous). And I really do fail to see where all this "anarchy" and the mobs burning players at stake are... on top of that the official servers are admined well.

Though now I fail to see the point of the original topic at all if you didn't except a ban or anything to happen. Also I find your behaviour really stupid, you imply you didn't do a revenge vote-kick, but he was bleeding you a long time ago and then you suddenly decided, after being kicked, it was worth a kick?

The first observation you made is qualitative and therefore really ends up being an opinion.  No more informed than anybody else's except in your own eyes.  I never mentioned stakes (an attempt to add flame or slant to my statements?).  The administration of the official servers is a matter of public debate well evidenced on numerous other threads.  Again its a matter of perspective.

I did "expect" something from the original post, if not enlightening the community a little more to another perspective.  You obviously either were not there or did not read my post correctly because as Trogdor bled me he also did the vote, leaving me without the option to vote him off.  Upon rejoining I immediately did a vote kick.  So your statement is completely incorrect unless you determine a "long time" as being something less than about 10 minutes or the matter of seconds of actual gameplay being being kicked and rejoining?  Again thanks for voicing your opinion, however it really seems nothing more than an axe you want to grind as you have not contributed all that much especially after resorting to incorrect paraphrasing and qualitive measurement.

You do indeend mention "mob mentality with no policing" and "anarchy" which really create an image of something far more worse than one newbie vote-kicking because he did not know those buildings were unpowered.

Your opinion, my opinion, the people who posted threads here and the people who didn't. I still feel you made something big out of something so small that happened to you and I still don't understand this thread's purpose. I wonder also how admin abuse that happened years ago, plus this one single case makes you quit trem. It does sound a little martyrdom to me.

I do generally symphatize with you, but not with making this thread. My opinion is that it is useless, since you didn't particularly want anything to be done (at least I understood it so). Nevertheless, there's really nothing to be done since what happened was so minor and it was even caused by human error.

[Bunker Gate Seven]

Fair enough but the community is really rather tame and at least more enjoyable than the general "noob lol" players found in other games (although the bind-spam is horrendous). And I really do fail to see where all this "anarchy" and the mobs burning players at stake are... on top of that the official servers are admined well.

Though now I fail to see the point of the original topic at all if you didn't except a ban or anything to happen. Also I find your behaviour really stupid, you imply you didn't do a revenge vote-kick, but he was bleeding you a long time ago and then you suddenly decided, after being kicked, it was worth a kick?

The first observation you made is qualitative and therefore really ends up being an opinion.  No more informed than anybody else's except in your own eyes.  I never mentioned stakes (an attempt to add flame or slant to my statements?).  The administration of the official servers is a matter of public debate well evidenced on numerous other threads.  Again its a matter of perspective.

I did "expect" something from the original post, if not enlightening the community a little more to another perspective.  You obviously either were not there or did not read my post correctly because as Trogdor bled me he also did the vote, leaving me without the option to vote him off.  Upon rejoining I immediately did a vote kick.  So your statement is completely incorrect unless you determine a "long time" as being something less than about 10 minutes or the matter of seconds of actual gameplay being being kicked and rejoining?  Again thanks for voicing your opinion, however it really seems nothing more than an axe you want to grind as you have not contributed all that much especially after resorting to incorrect paraphrasing and qualitive measurement.

You do indeend mention "mob mentality with no policing" and "anarchy" which really create an image of something far more worse than one newbie vote-kicking because he did not know those buildings were unpowered.

Your opinion, my opinion, the people who posted threads here and the people who didn't. I still feel you made something big out of something so small that happened to you and I still don't understand this thread's purpose. I wonder also how admin abuse that happened years ago, plus this one single case makes you quit trem. It does sound a little martyrdom to me.

I do generally symphatize with you, but not with making this thread. My opinion is that it is useless, since you didn't particularly want anything to be done (at least I understood it so). Nevertheless, there's really nothing to be done since what happened was so minor and it was even caused by human error.

Its obviously a cultural perspective on defining mob mentality - your image is yours not mine and not everybody elses.  We obviously come from two different cultures. 

My understanding of the the forums is partially to allow threads like this to occur.  As I said it isn't one single case, its one single example that I have given - think of it as "the straw that broke the camel's back" - if that helps.  I feel the martydom idea a little strong but different because that idea or viewpoint never crossed my mind.

If the thread is useless, then it would have no replies and no views.  So at the least I've got somebody thinking.  It might even, if read by someone contemplating joining, stop them wasting their time.

[Bunker Gate Seven]

To me mob mentality, in our culture, is when people follow anothers lead simply because an action has been committed.  A person does something and everybody joins in simply because they can.  They are called "sheep" (no I'm not from New Zealand).  I don't come from a culture where anybody has been burned at a stake by a mob (that I recall) - to me that paints the picture of a "witch hunt" which I certainly don't believe is the case.

"Without policing" goes back to my original question regarding how much policing in such situations is done by admins.  I've read over a few other threads and it appears to happen a lot (lack of policing or abuse by admins) depending on the admin on at the time.

The two can be combined to paint the picture that mob mentality is happening and not being policed by admins appropriately.  Its not a constant thing, otherwise the game would be impossible to play at all for any reasonable length of time.  Its constant enough that its not enojoyable.

[Meisseli]

Yes, the topic generally does belong in the Official Servers. But I'd, myself, prefer less threads like "I got muted by an admin " and "I got votekicked once "

No worries about the rest.  I'm over it.  I'd rather pay money for a game that has well run servers - so I have moved on.  I do appreciate the reminder of why I left 1.1 (I have no idea why I thought 1.2 would've had any improvements).  I just came back to the forum to kill a few seconds.

And this post originally was the one getting me post here. I still don't buy the official servers are run badly or that one really should quit the game over this incident. Because whether or not there's any background to it, this one, oddly, made it happen. But meh, whatever floats your boat.

And I remember only a single, actually valid thread about "abuse" or whatever. Most people just have a grudge against other people or they act bad themselves.

[Bunker Gate Seven]

Yes, the topic generally does belong in the Official Servers. But I'd, myself, prefer less threads like "I got muted by an admin " and "I got votekicked once "

No worries about the rest.  I'm over it.  I'd rather pay money for a game that has well run servers - so I have moved on.  I do appreciate the reminder of why I left 1.1 (I have no idea why I thought 1.2 would've had any improvements).  I just came back to the forum to kill a few seconds.

And this post originally was the one getting me post here. I still don't buy the official servers are run badly or that one really should quit the game over this incident. Because whether or not there's any background to it, this one, oddly, made it happen. But meh, whatever floats your boat.

And I remember only a single, actually valid thread about "abuse" or whatever. Most people just have a grudge against other people or they act bad themselves.

So it really does come down to a matter of opinion (when generalising and not realying on specific examples).  How long is a piece of string?.  I gave only one example, but it was pretty much backed up by the admin.  I did a search on "admin" on this part of the forum and came back with several results.  Some are completely invalid, true, but some are not (I've no interest in tallying any results).  I'm less upset about the admins than the community as a whole - and I even posted earlier on I had made the mistake of believing the admin on at the time had been on longer.  Maybe the cup is half empty instead of half full, but when players are breaking the rules I tend to notice and when players are following the rules I tend to simply accept it.  I think my thread was a little more than "I got votekicked once".

[your face]

• Nothing of value is achieved.

hey dood, stop whining and get out there and play some trem.

[SlackerLinux]

is it just me that thinks that commercial games often have less or no admins at all player rule doesnt work i know i have seen it enough its a good thing that the official trem servers has admins and alot at different timezones

its just a game kharnov was afk for whatever reason admins are only human they might have had to do something in RL for a second admins will often ask for a reason for kick and mute votes often if it is given they really got to accept it like a bleeding reason since it cant be verified if noone asks for a reason maybe hes afk or just too caught up with playing the game that he missed the vote(it happens)

for so many cases that get missed theres alot that dont like i watched a player block someones line of sight purposely then try to kick him for tking it was just lucky that i was speccing the player at the time to see that he wasn't at fault

[Bunker Gate Seven]

• Nothing of value is achieved.

hey dood, stop whining and get out there and play some trem.

Me or kharnov?  I only made the one thread about this and replied to anything worthy of such.  I already said I'm gone from Trem.  Thats hardly whining. 

[Bunker Gate Seven]

is it just me that thinks that commercial games often have less or no admins at all player rule doesnt work i know i have seen it enough its a good thing that the official trem servers has admins and alot at different timezones

its just a game kharnov was afk for whatever reason admins are only human they might have had to do something in RL for a second admins will often ask for a reason for kick and mute votes often if it is given they really got to accept it like a bleeding reason since it cant be verified if noone asks for a reason maybe hes afk or just too caught up with playing the game that he missed the vote(it happens)

for so many cases that get missed theres alot that dont like i watched a player block someones line of sight purposely then try to kick him for tking it was just lucky that i was speccing the player at the time to see that he wasn't at fault

I partially agree about the commercial games.  It really depends on the game and how new it is and what type of people play it.

In the end I've definately got no problem with kharnov on that map as far as he wasn't witness to much of what happened to me.  He did witness Kings behaviour and had an opportunity to do something about it but chose to show restraint where I probably would not.  I understand admins are human as well but at times I wonder if the standard has dropped and admins have been appointed for the wrong reasons (again I do not think that of kharnov) and serve selfish needs.

[janev]

^Thread

You are clearly overthinking things.

Tremulous public play has a hierarchical and slightly chaotic structure. People without a known name will be judged fast.. that's how it has to be when a griefer can ruin a game in 5 seconds. Try hanging around servers using the same (preferably registered) name and making a name for yourself.

You were by your own admission destroying the base. Believe it or not there is a chance you were doing something counterproductive for the team strategy without realising it. As for the lack of admin assistance, what do you expect? He probably didn't see what went down so it was your word against theirs. Take a step back from the situation a try to view the situation objectively. Alternatively create your own server and administrate it better!

If you can get past that righteous indignation we'd love to have you. If not don't let the door hit you on the way out.

-j

[Bunker Gate Seven]

^Thread

You are clearly overthinking things.

Tremulous public play has a hierarchical and slightly chaotic structure. People without a known name will be judged fast.. that's how it has to be when a griefer can ruin a game in 5 seconds. Try hanging around servers using the same (preferably registered) name and making a name for yourself.

You were by your own admission destroying the base. Believe it or not there is a chance you were doing something counterproductive for the team strategy without realising it. As for the lack of admin assistance, what do you expect? He probably didn't see what went down so it was your word against theirs. Take a step back from the situation a try to view the situation objectively. Alternatively create your own server and administrate it better!

If you can get past that righteous indignation we'd love to have you. If not don't let the door hit you on the way out.

-j

I shouldn't be judged only by name but by behaviour.  I've played the game for years with a break for a little less than a year between 1.1 and 1.2, maybe.  Anybody who can play a game can see if a ret or other structure has no power and if a builder is making any effort to correct it.  I played the map (as stated earlier) for previous maps so I was there for the whole thing and knew the team(?) plan.  The builder wasn't and was possibly actively trying to create an unwinnable base (it happens) and time was of upmost importance (couldn't run back to powered arm and change inventory and return in a reasonable time) - a method that has been accepted many time before.  I've already addressed the admin assistance in this matter countless times so going around in a circle with you instead of somebody else will add no value to the thread (so please read it fully in future to stop the same mistake again).

I know it was simply a case that SaSKing was upset because he almost got away and I killed him .  After that the abuse started and some "sheep" followed, including Trogdor.  Its fairly basic logic really.

Is it overthinking if I've only slightly contemplated since about 2007?

I'll give you credit for a fraction of your 2c because at least you tried another perspective.  The name calling and cliches lose a little credit.

[janev]

My point was not to go around in circles or to spit out clichés, just to get my 0.02€ in. I did that, so have a nice day.

[Meisseli]

He probably didn't see what went down so it was your word against theirs.

Anybody who can play a game can see if a ret or other structure has no power and if a builder is making any effort to correct it.

Then blame that player that misinterpreted your actions, not the admins who are not omniscient.

And if you've had years or whatever to contemplate the matter, please do separate the Official Servers, what this topic is about, from any other server you've played for 3 years or so. From what it seems like you've only experienced one count of mistreatment which can't be even counted as an admin's fault.

And for the record, this thread was indeed about one vote-kick, not some discussion about how trem community is full of evil misdoers. That's what your original post is about.