How is 1.1

[Tremulant]

that was coherent, are we actually recruiting trem players directly from the jeremy kyle show's reject list now?

CATAHA, have you actually played 1.2 recently, if so, under what name?

[CATAHA]

is any changes since gpp start? lol

UPD: my nick for sure. and ye, read carefully... i PLAYED 1.2, we even started server

[A Spork]

is any changes since gpp start? lol

UPD: my nick for sure. and ye, read carefully... i PLAYED 1.2, we even started server

Ummm; yeah, a lot of changes have been made....

[CATAHA]

i mean real changes, not small tweaks =D

[A Spork]

Phase 1 gpp is quite different from the current Phase(which I cant remember the number of...)

[superspirality]

Phase 1 gpp is quite different from the current Phase(which I cant remember the number of...)

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[Meisseli]

is any changes since gpp start? lol

Gee...

These are the 1.1 players whinging about bad 1.2?

Even I hated GPP Phase 1. Play the current version before voicing an opinion and play it for at least two weeks.

[CATAHA]

These are the 1.1 players whinging about bad 1.2?

Bad 1.2? Lol... even bad 1.2 better than just... worthless 1.2 =) When something is bad you always can change something to make it better. How you can make better void? =}

Current? No, thanx. See no point check every other 'new and improved' release. Balance shifting like shit roaming in ice-hole. I better w8 till full release. An ye, i checked not so long time ago. My opinion not changed.

(P.S. Mainly i expect from 'NEXT' version of game some improvements, not just balance changes. If i need changed balance i just can tweak some mods under 1.1.)

[Demolution]

These are the 1.1 players whinging about bad 1.2?

Bad 1.2? Lol... even bad 1.2 better than just... worthless 1.2 =) When something is bad you always can change something to make it better. How you can make better void? =}

Current? No, thanx. See no point check every other 'new and improved' release. Balance shifting like shit roaming in ice-hole. I better w8 till full release. An ye, i checked not so long time ago. My opinion not changed.

(P.S. Mainly i expect from 'NEXT' version of game some improvements, not just balance changes. If i need changed balance i just can tweak some mods under 1.1.)

Balance first, visual improvements at the end. Thank god you don't get to decide how it's being developed.

[Tremulant]

Ok, i think we can safely disregard anything CATAHA has to say on the matter until 1.2 final is released and he actually plays the thing. Maybe GPP needs to operate differently, these kids would be clamouring to play if it were a closed beta with an invite system.

[Demolution]

Pffft, there will always be griefers. It's a fucking universal law.

[CATAHA]

Balance first, visual improvements at the end. Thank god you don't get to decide how it's being developed.

May be bugfix 1st? All i see its only balance tweaks. Thanx god out team have own developer so we can make improved mods. =)

Ok, i think we can safely disregard anything CATAHA has to say on the matter until 1.2 final is released and he actually plays the thing. Maybe GPP needs to operate differently, these kids would be clamouring to play if it were a closed beta with an invite system.

Not he but she =) And actually u just said bullshit - please dont ignore my opinion about rest of development process. =} Wanna change balance? Ok, as you wish. But why no bugs tweak? No engine/gameplay improvements? Oh, dont say about voice chat, lol... those who even use such things prefer mumble/ts. Wut we have left? Oh ye, good new weapon models... possible. So (its my personal opinion) we can say that trem continue dying. two years ago there was a lot of players in trem. What we see now? They all leave trem and switching to other projects. Even with fact of released 1.2 development version. May be just 'caus they see wut 1.2 becoming. Facts are obstinate thing. =)

[Tremulant]

actually u just said bullshit

nope, stop the cutesy grins and gtfo until you've actually bothered to play a recent GPP...

[geg_Ma3gau]

Instead of fixing the original game of bugs and balance issues, developers decide to make 1.2 which is not very much like 1.1 but has even worse balance. No regen outside of base for aliens plus 1.5 headshot modifier instead of 2 and even more overpowered luci is what 1.2 for me basically. So now we got this weird looking 1.1-mod which only distracts new players from the game. There are also not much servers on 1.2 so if i want to play it i can only have like 50 ping(though none plays that server). If i want to play 1.1, i can have 5 ping with 9 v 9 games every day. Even to start playing 1.2 you need to download a crapload of files. Why would 1.1 players switch to 1.2? It makes no sense because there are more and better players in 1.1 plus the new game(1.2) is still changing plus 1.1 has better balance. And dodge is stupid in trem sorry.

All 1.2 does is ruin game community. You shouldnt fix what is not broken doh. Improvements? oh yes that nice little bar representing trample/pounce charge, i like it. Though to speak seriously i like the delay for turrets fire because in 1.1 human base is largely inaccessible for aliens throughout the game, now they got a chance to go in and kill something.

[Meisseli]

So CATAHA is saying the gameplay shouldn't be changed at all (since it might just get rid of the bad things like camp, bad building system, bad balance etc. in 1.1 games) without even playing 1.2 GPP.

I'm sorry but if I were to improve a game in a new version, I would certainly go for a better gameplay as a first priority like in every game developers do. To say bugs are not being fixed is quite questionable also if one just bothers to read some changelog.

geg_Ma3gau is saying 1.2 sucks because 1.2 has bad balance, headshot modifier is 1.5 instead of 2 (and yet damage was adjusted for aliens to do the same damage), lucifer cannon is overpowered and because he has 50 ping?

Nice arguments.

[Manbearpig@SRM]

Well, unless trem.net is going to end 1.1 for good, it is effectively splitting the community which will end up making both the 1.2 and 1.1 experience shittier for everyone.  While i am not a fan of 1.2, i think the community needs to suck it up and put its weight behind either 1.1 or 1.2 or risk losing everything.  

Sure, once 1.2 is released it will probably be the default client for download on trem.net, however how many players play 1.1 without ever knowing tremulous.net forums even exist? How many players do we have currently that havent even bothered to download TJW's backport?  I think, conservatively, thats around 50-60% of the current 1.1 playerbase.  

A lot of players dont understand english, dont understand the difference between 1.1 VS 1.2, dont know tremulous.net exists, and wouldnt bother even if they did know.  There is no clear message being disseminated because the playerbase is split between small communities of mods and popular servers..  This is a recipe for disaster for the entire community unless something changes.

[Meisseli]

Well, unless trem.net is going to end 1.1 for good, it is effectively splitting the community which will end up making both the 1.2 and 1.1 experience shittier for everyone.  While i am not a fan of 1.2, i think the community needs to suck it up and put its weight behind either 1.1 or 1.2 or risk losing everything.  

Sure, once 1.2 is released it will probably be the default client for download on trem.net, however how many players play 1.1 without ever knowing tremulous.net forums even exist? How many players do we have currently that havent even bothered to download TJW's backport?  I think, conservatively, thats around 50-60% of the current 1.1 playerbase.  

A lot of players dont understand english, dont understand the difference between 1.1 VS 1.2, dont know tremulous.net exists, and wouldnt bother even if they did know.  There is no clear message being disseminated because the playerbase is split between small communities of mods and popular servers that basically guarantees the lack of a clear message getting out to everyone.  This is a clear recipe for disaster for the entire community unless something changes.

That's kind of a moot point since players have found Tremulous already and I would really argue most of them have downloaded the client from the site. English skill was required to download the client in the first place.

One thing that I think hasn't been done though is a news item from the master server to old clients: "1.2 Beta is out!"

[Venkman]

...I usually don't last longer than 3 rounds on GPP without getting bored even if I/myteams dominate. If I play humans I find it's just way to easy killwhore because of the over-all damage/kill over-power by humans way too dominating and on aliens maraing or adv gooning human base in s2 can end games pre-s3 super easy.

So... Which side is the killwhore side now? To me, it sounds like you just explained why 1.2 is SUPERIOR to 1.1. Both teams have an equal amount of pwnability.

Which is probably the only thing I like because once games get to s3 in both 1.1 and GPP I find them to just kind of go downhill in game enjoyability.

To quote the Mooninite, Ignignokt... "That sounds like a personal problem."

...the whole run around a corner and be back to full hp in just a few is bullshit in 1.1

I totally agre...

...and the regeneration system outside of the booster/lisk is to much.

Please go back and read your previous quote. Now read this one.

You see where I'm going with this?

The mara is way over-powered...

Yeah, go tell that to anyone who can dodge.

...BTW, you know who can dodge? Humans in 1.2.

goon barb is to strong with too long of a regen...

One compensates for the other. It's called balance, a thing 1.1 didn't have much of.

tyrant trample is just ridiculous as it can get...

You know what else is ridiculous? EVERYTHING made available in S3. That's why it's so important to keep the other team from reaching it. It's this little thing Sun Tzu liked to call "strategy".

Maybe that's why you don't enjoy playing after S3: You can't appreciate what it takes to get there. Or maybe Tremulous just isn't your type of game.

[superspirality]

Oooooohoho how we can argue about this one.

Yes, your sig fits there perfectly.

[Manbearpig@SRM]

Well, unless trem.net is going to end 1.1 for good, it is effectively splitting the community which will end up making both the 1.2 and 1.1 experience shittier for everyone.  While i am not a fan of 1.2, i think the community needs to suck it up and put its weight behind either 1.1 or 1.2 or risk losing everything.  

Sure, once 1.2 is released it will probably be the default client for download on trem.net, however how many players play 1.1 without ever knowing tremulous.net forums even exist? How many players do we have currently that havent even bothered to download TJW's backport?  I think, conservatively, thats around 50-60% of the current 1.1 playerbase.  

A lot of players dont understand english, dont understand the difference between 1.1 VS 1.2, dont know tremulous.net exists, and wouldnt bother even if they did know.  There is no clear message being disseminated because the playerbase is split between small communities of mods and popular servers that basically guarantees the lack of a clear message getting out to everyone.  This is a clear recipe for disaster for the entire community unless something changes.

That's kind of a moot point since players have found Tremulous already and I would really argue most of them have downloaded the client from the site. English skill was required to download the client in the first place.

One thing that I think hasn't been done though is a news item from the master server to old clients: "1.2 Beta is out!"

Negative, the only thing they found was a link from some gaming site to the download page.  There is probably less than a 1 to 100 conversion rate from downlosds to forum registrations. 

[Meisseli]

Well, unless trem.net is going to end 1.1 for good, it is effectively splitting the community which will end up making both the 1.2 and 1.1 experience shittier for everyone.  While i am not a fan of 1.2, i think the community needs to suck it up and put its weight behind either 1.1 or 1.2 or risk losing everything. 

Sure, once 1.2 is released it will probably be the default client for download on trem.net, however how many players play 1.1 without ever knowing tremulous.net forums even exist? How many players do we have currently that havent even bothered to download TJW's backport?  I think, conservatively, thats around 50-60% of the current 1.1 playerbase. 

A lot of players dont understand english, dont understand the difference between 1.1 VS 1.2, dont know tremulous.net exists, and wouldnt bother even if they did know.  There is no clear message being disseminated because the playerbase is split between small communities of mods and popular servers that basically guarantees the lack of a clear message getting out to everyone.  This is a clear recipe for disaster for the entire community unless something changes.

That's kind of a moot point since players have found Tremulous already and I would really argue most of them have downloaded the client from the site. English skill was required to download the client in the first place.

One thing that I think hasn't been done though is a news item from the master server to old clients: "1.2 Beta is out!"

Negative, the only thing they found was a link from some gaming site to the download page.  There is probably less than a 1 to 100 conversion rate from downlosds to forum registrations.

Perhaps registrations but the forums are clearly visible in the Tremulous site where the download section also lies. It's clear that not everyone wants to register in every forum they find.

The amount of forumites doesn't matter at all though. What matters is that they find out about the new beta version and some download links to try it out.

[CATAHA]

So CATAHA is saying ...without even playing 1.2 GPP.

You cant read? Or? I played. p l a y e d 1.2, and still have same opinion. So...

1.2 is SUPERIOR to 1.1. Both teams have an equal amount of pwnability.

Ye. They are... in 1.1 too. =) If you cant use all possibilities at full force its not game balance problem. =)

Anyway any discussions pointless. =\ 1.2 really can be amazing game with outstanding gameplay right now... but. Players dont like it. Players from 1.1 dont see any improvements there, and new players also dont like it. So we can say 1.2 phailed at attracting players (except small part of community). Do devs make game for small part of community only? I hope not.

[Meisseli]

So CATAHA is saying ...without even playing 1.2 GPP.

You cant read? Or? I played. p l a y e d 1.2, and still have same opinion. So...

1.2 is SUPERIOR to 1.1. Both teams have an equal amount of pwnability.

Ye. They are... in 1.1 too. =) If you cant use all possibilities at full force its not game balance problem. =)

Anyway any discussions pointless. =\ 1.2 really can be amazing game with outstanding gameplay right now... but. Players dont like it. Players from 1.1 dont see any improvements there, and new players also dont like it. So we can say 1.2 phailed at attracting players (except small part of community). Do devs make game for small part of community only? I hope not.

You yourself said playing only the first phase which had multiple problems including horribly screwed up marauder and dragoon movement, disastrous sprint issues, and a completely different dragoon altogether to name a few.

Again, play the current phase, please. This has been repeated on and on for some ten posts. "Players from 1.1" aren't basing their opinions in GPP 1.2 even but some distant, different, buggy version of it.

[CATAHA]

Please read carefully last part of my message.

P.S. I can repeat last time... tried not only 1st phase and still dont like way its going. Not about balance, about all direction of development. =}
P.P.S. If you forcing me so i gonna play it again right after i came back home from work just for check another balance changes.

[Venkman]

Please read carefully last part of my message.

P.S. I can repeat last time... tried not only 1st phase and still dont like way its going. Not about balance, about all direction of development. =}
P.P.S. If you forcing me so i gonna play it again right after i came back home from work just for check another balance changes.

YES!

Now please, keep an open mind when you do and don't let all of this back-and-forth make you biased against the game you're playing (unless of course you're a feeder, in which case I'm totally fine with you staying on 1.1 with all the illiterate children and hate-filled deconners...)

If it makes you feel any better, go read some of my old posts and see how much I flamed the original GPP version. I hated that noise and it wasn't until I read a bunch of these same arguments that I gave the newest version of 1.2 a fair shake.

[CATAHA]

And you too read carefully my message. Actually i have nothing special against changing balance of Trem. I dont like whole direction of development.

unless of course you're a feeder, in which case I'm totally fine with you staying on 1.1 with all the illiterate children and hate-filled deconners

Seems you not played on good servers in 1.1, lol.

[Venkman]

And you too read carefully my message. Actually i have nothing special against changing balance of Trem. I dont like whole direction of development.

unless of course you're a feeder, in which case I'm totally fine with you staying on 1.1 with all the illiterate children and hate-filled deconners

Seems you not played on good servers in 1.1, lol.

Well sweetheart, it's like Boggie says "It's all about the ping..."

In 1.1, I get decent ping on AA and BB and that's it. And, on there, they get lots of deconners. You're Russian, so where you play is not where I play. Maybe your teammates understand the concept of "1 for all" better because they come from commie stock, I don't know.

What I DO know is that your mostly incomprehensible replies combined with all the "=)" and "lol" you liter throughout them has forced me to picture someone with Down-syndrome when I read your comments.

Either way, I hope you enjoy the new version of 1.2. It's really the cat's breakfast sandwich, as us Yankees say =) LOLOL =O Anything lost in translation? Let me know and I'll be sure to clear it up as quick as a deflated tit!

Hugs and Bitches,
Venkman

P.S.

Smiley face, smiley face, desperate plea for attention, REALLY BIG SMILEY FACE!

[superspirality]

Maybe your teammates understand the concept of "1 for all" better because they come from commie stock, I don't know.

Lol Venkman. Actually anyone can be a douchebag regardless of his race. But I personally had a mostly nice experience with russians. Maybe just my ukrainian 'commie stock' origins, but whatever, it's better than pollack servers

It's really the cat's breakfast sandwich, as us Yankees say =) LOLOL =O Anything lost in translation? Let me know and I'll be sure to clear it up as quick as a deflated tit!

Hugs and Bitches,
Venkman

P.S.

Smiley face, smiley face, desperate plea for attention, REALLY BIG SMILEY FACE!

Don't complicate that, or the Russian Rapist will come for you.

[CATAHA]

Well... just played again. Result same - mostly boring. =) Saw nothing really improved in comparing with 1.1 trem. Players campin as much as in 1.1 trem (and sometime ever worse). Ah, ye... death cam still fkn annoying. =)
Overral: Trem 1.2 still so Trem 1.2 >.<'

[Venkman]

Lol Venkman. Actually anyone can be a douchebag regardless of his race. But I personally had a mostly nice experience with russians. Maybe just my ukrainian 'commie stock' origins, but whatever, it's better than pollack servers

Oh, I'm no hater. I know people suck everywhere, regardless of race or region. That commie remark was really ment as an explanation of why CATAHA here never has to deal with deconners (which was obviously a big enough problem for most players that the devs made a point of fixing it with 1.2...)

I'm actually a big fan of the Russian peoples (at least the ones I've met).
We had a Russian exchange student come stay with us and she was pretty badass. Sveta was even nice enough to translate most of the Russian porn I downloaded so I could finally figure out what all of those crazy naked women were screaming about.

FYI: "sookies" (phonetic spelling) means "bitches"...

Which also explains why she chuckled every time we watched True Blood.  

Don't complicate that, or the Russian Rapist will come for you.

Don't sweat it. That guy already raped me ages ago.

Well... just played again. Result same - mostly boring. =) Saw nothing really improved in comparing with 1.1 trem. Players campin as much as in 1.1 trem (and sometime ever worse). Ah, ye... death cam still fkn annoying. =)
Overral: Trem 1.2 still so Trem 1.2 >.<'

This comment was like an HOUR after your last one! How many rounds could you have possible had time to play between bitching about the game, going to work, and then coming on here to bitch some more?

Okay, wait... Never mind. I don't care anymore. You're obviously...

1.) Scared of being wrong

2.) Fearful of change

3.) An idiot

In summation:
GPP needs more players but it certainly doesn't need anymore close-minded morons (we're already overstocked on those as it is...) So, yeah, I think we're ALL better off with you staying on 1.1 and I'm sorry that I ever tried to persuade you otherwise.