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CATAHA

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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #90 on: October 27, 2010, 08:30:52 pm »
Well... facts on my side, i trying be clear. =) And u just rude... possible just caus u cant prove that ur 'outstanding 1.2 new-super-improved game' is really good.
I played some rounds and it was ok. Nothing special, but some annoying things. May be thats why in 1.1 still much more players.
Btw, under 1.1 we maked mod with a lot of changes and many players like it. I dont fear changes, im not scared be wrong, caus i operate only facts and... seems i much smarter than u think just caus im not using such dumb talking manner as you are. =}

PS In any way after years of playing trem and days in 1.2 hour is ENOUGH for make sense about changes. Dont be stupid, i dont need repeat same actions every round to understand changes. Only positive emotion i get from 1.2 server is non-standart maps. =}
And ye, i see no point talking to you anymore, since u acting like rude fanatic of 1.2, who ready agree with everything in it just caus its 'holy 1.2' and not thinking about game improvement.
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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #91 on: October 27, 2010, 08:37:18 pm »
Let's get a completely unscientific poll going:
-Who thinks Venkman is wrong and CATAHA is the authority here, with a well-thought-out, completely airtight argument?
-Who thinks Venkman knows what he's talking about and CATAHA is just being a prick who uses too many fucking smilies?

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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #92 on: October 27, 2010, 09:22:46 pm »
I vote option 2.

Also, I don't care how many games of 1.1 you've played, it still takes a heck of a lot longer than an hour to get used to the differences to 1.2 to get past the "OH NOES ITS DIFFERENT!!!!1!!!111!1!!!!" stage.
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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #93 on: October 27, 2010, 09:30:26 pm »
With every visit to this part of forum i more sure thats it full of trolls. =)
Its not question of how many played or something. Its question of attracting game or not. Right now its not, and its not question of changed balance or gameplay tweaks. And i dont care too if you cant carefully read all posts. Why shoild i explain how long i already played 1.2 on different servers? We will see how many players gonna join 1.2 after release. =D
UPD: Feel free rage to all players who dont like 1.2 here. Checking this forum folder was pointless from start of 1.2 release, its becoming holywar forum, not real forum for normal discussions. So i better go back to mapping forum, where peoples think before say. =D
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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #94 on: October 27, 2010, 11:10:00 pm »
With every visit to this part of forum i more sure thats it full of trolls. =)
Are you are one of them? AFAIK neither Venkman nor Meisseli are trolls.

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Its not question of how many played or something. Its question of attracting game or not. Right now its not, and its not question of changed balance or gameplay tweaks. And i dont care too if you cant carefully read all posts.
There is such a thing as a learning curve. I beseech you to learn of its existence. Of course feeding like hell due to new gameplay tweaks will not make for an attracting game (btw, I can't quite understand the grammar of that sentence of yours).

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Why shoild i explain how long i already played 1.2 on different servers?
Because the validity of your statements depends on having spent a significant time playing 1.2. Balance changes have effects that go deep, and it takes time to discover them. There is such a thing as a learning curve. I have no problem with someone who likes 1.1, to each his own, but dismissing GPP based on "they changed it therefore it sucks", is not rational.
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Pazuzu

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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #95 on: October 27, 2010, 11:22:30 pm »
The Internet psychologists over at TV Tropes have a few terms for what CATAHA is going through:
They Changed It, Now It Sucks
Ruined FOREVER
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On a related note, say good-bye to your social lives.
EDIT: After re-reading this, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I just haven't given CATAHA a fair chance to redeem himself. Maybe he's a highly talented developer who can make a fork of 1.2, get the balances and gameplay to be perfect, maintain it for years, and handle all the community complaints.
Actually, I'd like to see that happen. CATAHA, since 1.2 is obviously ruined FOREVER, would you mind redesigning the whole thing yourself and making a fork?
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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #96 on: October 28, 2010, 04:32:03 am »
The Internet psychologists over at TV Tropes have a few terms for what CATAHA is going through:

The internet needs more references to that site. Although to be fair to CATAHA, tremulous 1.2 is a proper case of Broken Base
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Pazuzu

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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #97 on: October 28, 2010, 04:41:33 am »
I'm trying! I'm only one person! :(

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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #98 on: October 28, 2010, 11:35:54 am »
Man... I kind of wish I WAS a troll because this thread went from being "mildly entertaining" to "just plain hilarious" in the course of one work shift.

Seriously, I'm too tired to even bother with isolating quotes right now so, CATAHA, just listen...

1.) Popular opinion is rarely, if EVER, a good judge of quality.

Go ask Michael Bay and the billions of dollars he rakes in every year when he makes a film about something crashing into something else and droves of simple-minded movie-goers flock to watch Bruce Willis dodge C.G.I. effects for 120 minutes.

Go ask the Jonas Brothers if even THEY think they make good music. Then ask them to show you their bank statements or the sales figures for their last platinum album.  

These examples too U.S.-centric for you? Then go ask your grandparents how well Communism worked out? And most people over there thought that was a great idea.

What about those stupid fur-hats with the ear-flaps you guys love so much? (Wait, no. Those are actually pretty awesome...)

The problem is most people are kind of dumb. As some poet once said: "They're easily entertained and frustrated by change." I like to think that, in the realm of awesome niche-FPS games, the ratios aren't so slanted. But there, you just might have proven me wrong...

2.) I don't need (nor do I want) to sit here and explain to you every reason why 1.2 is superior to 1.1. Look back through just this thread, alone, and you'll find at least four of my arguments.

The simple fact is: I love 1.1 for what it is, an awesome FREE game I played the shit out of until a better (preview, as in NOT DONE) version of it became available. I played it for a bit. Liked some things, was angered by others. Became frustrated, went back to 1.1 in less than three days (about 50 rounds). Bitched about it here. People talked me into trying the newest version. I did. My world was rocked. I was glad to scream it on the rooftops: "1.2 works! It WORKS!"

Which brings us to you and why you frustrated me. Because, regardless of whether you WILL like it, I know you (or anyone else) can't possible understand why WE think it's so great until you've played it for at least a week. Long enough to get over your period of adjustment and THEN long enough to get to try all of the new tweaks. It doesn't matter how much you used them while you sucked because, frankly, you didn't know what you were looking at.

Once you finally understand the feel of the new balance, THEN you can start to appreciate the new dodge, pounce knock-back, forward bases, BP ratios and all of that stuff because you will be utilizing them effectively againsts players who are (hopefully) doing the same.

Alright, I'm done. Thank you, Pazuzu, for the awesomely biased poll (I'm tempted to vote "1" just to make her feel better...) And thank you F50 for pointing out that I couldn't be a troll (I try, I just don't have the time.) Also, thanks for doing your part to talk me into trying the new version of GPP. As You can see, I was trying to pay it forward. CATAHA, you can go and play whatever you want.


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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #99 on: October 28, 2010, 12:14:50 pm »

1.) Popular opinion is rarely, if EVER, a good judge of quality.


This makes me laugh.


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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #100 on: October 28, 2010, 01:27:36 pm »
Ok, you've now clocked up just over half an hour in GPP on US1, although it doesn't look like you played a terribly active game, as aliens at least, so let's watch CATAHA's TremStats and start listening when she's played for long enough to learn the basics.

There was a time when certain .ddos members were so unhappy with the state of GPP that they felt it necessary to create a mod, today those same people feel the mod is unnecessary, i suppose it's possible that GPP hasn't changed at all in that time and the players have simply adapted, but announcements of changes made during each phase would seem to contradict that. And where did these changes come from? Yes, developers listening to the players testing their product, had you been there at the time you'd have a better idea of how much the devs have not only improved the game but also appeared to respond positively to feedback from players.
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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #101 on: October 28, 2010, 02:04:41 pm »
FYI: "sookies" (phonetic spelling) means "bitches"...
FYI: it's pronouced without the 'es', right, 'sooki'.
What about those stupid fur-hats with the ear-flaps you guys love so much? (Wait, no. Those are actually pretty awesome...)
What about Ukrainian cossacks raiding your house and searching for salo & gorilka?
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Pazuzu

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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #102 on: October 28, 2010, 02:57:17 pm »
Seriously, I'm too tired to even bother with isolating quotes right now
Which is why I'm not sigging any of your posts. There are just too many awesome quotes in there to just pick one.

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Venkman

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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #103 on: October 29, 2010, 04:03:13 am »
Which is why I'm not sigging any of your posts. There are just too many awesome quotes in there to just pick one.

I'm glad people can still appreciate a good troll-bash, especially when it's for such an important cause.

And thank you, superspirality, for reminding me what those badass hats are called.

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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #104 on: October 29, 2010, 11:53:24 am »
And thank you, superspirality, for reminding me what those badass hats are called.
Um, what. Those are called 'ushanki' if anything. ::)

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Re: How is 1.1
« Reply #105 on: October 30, 2010, 09:48:58 am »
My bad. I had to assume that's what you were saying because I read your post at work and that Wiki link took forever to load on my phone. The word I was thinking of was "Ushanka" or "Ear Hat", apparently. Thanks, Google.
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