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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2010, 07:47:58 pm »
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2010, 12:01:07 am »
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2010, 12:06:05 am »
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2010, 05:56:55 am »
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2010, 04:28:13 pm »
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2010, 05:09:30 pm »
Stupid staxes… today on US official was one.
And guys kept leaving us(aliens) b'cause they're winning.
Is THAT supposed to be fun?
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2010, 12:35:29 am »
Quote from: Gregstein on October 05, 2010, 05:09:30 pm
Stupid staxes… today on US official was one.
And guys kept leaving us(aliens) b'cause they're winning.
Is THAT supposed to be fun?
every other game in existence has this problem.
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2010, 12:45:24 am »
Quote from: Odin on October 06, 2010, 12:35:29 am
Quote from: Gregstein on October 05, 2010, 05:09:30 pm
Stupid staxes… today on US official was one.
And guys kept leaving us(aliens) b'cause they're winning.
Is THAT supposed to be fun?
every other game in existence has this problem.

But some try to implement mechanisms to mitigate it. !teams & !shuffle would be great to have available, perhaps for L1 and L2 admins respectively.
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2010, 12:53:59 am »
Or shuffle/scramble votes. "/callvote scramble", anyone?
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2010, 02:07:11 am »
Quote from: Pazuzu on October 06, 2010, 12:53:59 am
Or shuffle/scramble votes. "/callvote scramble", anyone?

shuffle often makes stacks worse atleast in wolf-et and etqw it always did better for players to fix the stax but sad thing is they dont
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2010, 03:49:45 am »
TF2 uses a basic algorithm based on the combined scores of each team. It seems to work decently well.
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Quote from: Tremhelper on September 05, 2011, 09:14:46 pm
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2010, 04:36:25 am »
Quote from: Pazuzu on October 06, 2010, 03:49:45 am
TF2 uses a basic algorithm based on the combined scores of each team. It seems to work decently well.

There's no fool proof algorithm but yes, this could work nicely.
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2010, 05:42:17 am »
Oh please, do I really want to switch teams every two and a half minutes. People want to enjoy a game in one team and one team only.
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2010, 05:48:44 am »
Quote from: Meisseli on October 06, 2010, 05:42:17 am
Oh please, do I really want to switch teams once or twice per game if they're stacked. Maybe. If I even get switched at all.
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2010, 06:47:39 am »
Stacked teams is fine. The game just ends quickly. And even if the teams are stacked, if you guys have the presence of mind to use teamwork, things could easily go the other way. Most stacked teams generally have a solo player doing most of the work. 1 Good player vs 5 Ok players, 5 Ok players win.
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2010, 06:40:37 pm »
in theory…
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2010, 07:03:42 pm »
Quote from: Gregstein on October 06, 2010, 06:40:37 pm
in theory…

Not in theory celest is right.

I was playing and while no one really any good was on and I was easily the best player on.  All the decent players were on H and I only had a couple of really bad noobs and I got smashed that round even though I had 4 or 5x the score of anyone else playing.  5 OK players using teamwork will always trump 1 good player.
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2010, 08:11:24 pm »
Switch the team of 1/2 of the players once or twice a game and there will surely be no players left to play with.
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2010, 08:42:44 pm »
I don't think you've played TF2. TF2 players don't whine about getting switched as much as you do. How would you explain that?
I'll take either "because it isn't that bad" or "because I like to whine" as answers.
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Quote from: Tremhelper on September 05, 2011, 09:14:46 pm
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2010, 08:49:26 pm »
Quote from: Pazuzu on October 06, 2010, 08:42:44 pm
I don't think you've played TF2. TF2 players don't whine about getting switched as much as you do. How would you explain that?
I'll take either "because it isn't that bad" or "because I like to whine" as answers.
I like to whine! :( :(
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2010, 08:53:56 pm »
Because in TF2, the teams are identical.
Also, from what little of it I know, TF2's system is anything but simple.
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2010, 09:12:00 pm »
Tactical nuke or EMP.
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2010, 11:56:08 pm »
Quote from: Silver on October 06, 2010, 07:03:42 pm
I was playing and while no one really any good was on and I was easily the best player on.  All the decent players were on H and I only had a couple of really bad noobs and I got smashed that round even though I had 4 or 5x the score of anyone else playing.  5 OK players using teamwork will always trump 1 good player.

5 average players vs 1 very good player is different from 5 average players vs 1 very good player and 4 crap players providing the 5 average enemies with a constant supply of free credits.
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2010, 03:33:31 am »
Quote from: Pazuzu on October 06, 2010, 08:42:44 pm
I don't think you've played TF2. TF2 players don't whine about getting switched as much as you do. How would you explain that?
I'll take either "because it isn't that bad" or "because I like to whine" as answers.

Because the objective system in TF2 or other similar FPS is different from Tremulous. If I got switched teams in a team deathmatch, I wouldn't mind so much. If I've just spent 10 minutes killing the aliens base and then get swapped to alien, it's not so fun. Different games.
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2010, 05:52:31 am »
Quote from: Celestial_Rage on October 06, 2010, 06:47:39 am
Stacked teams is fine. The game just ends quickly. And even if the teams are stacked, if you guys have the presence of mind to use teamwork, things could easily go the other way. Most stacked teams generally have a solo player doing most of the work. 1 Good player vs 5 Ok players, 5 Ok players win.

You're makeing the other team seem stacked in this example.  ???  :turret:

Also, 1 good player, does not count as stack.  :police:
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2010, 06:52:07 am »
There's payload mode too. Just replace "killing the aliens base" with "pushing the cart" and "alien" with "RED".
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2010, 07:50:22 am »
What I meant was that most good players tend to go solo. There could be more than one good player. So, 5 Ok people corner one solo good player, and if they consistently repeat this, good things will happen. (Assuming the solo player realizes he's getting his ass kicked and decides to bring a friend, but by that time, you have a bunch of evos/creds)
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2010, 08:26:09 pm »
If the teams truly are stacked, not a lot can be done except your best. As humans camp a bit more than normal, as aliens the same and either way, make sure there's a dedicated builder, because with a stack, the base is gunna get raped... repeatedly. Don't hope to win the game, unless by some miracle you manage to get S3 before they get S2, or you managed to get some good players join up and go into the slots left open by cowards specing out of aliens (this has happened to me on quite a few occasions).

Just remember it's a game, against a stacked team you'll most likely lose so don't play it to win. There's nothing riding on whether you win or lose, just play to have fun.
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #58 on: October 08, 2010, 07:34:11 pm »
Damn, I'm starting to moving in every game to team where is best players, and before that, I tried to keep game fair. :'(
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Re: how to deal with stax?
« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2010, 07:24:46 am »
Quote from: CorSair on October 08, 2010, 07:34:11 pm
Damn, I'm starting to moving in every game to team where is best players, and before that, I tried to keep game fair. :'(

Hey, if you're a notoric feeder like me, you can do both at the same time !
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