Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.

[Celestial_Rage]

i DID say it was playable! its just no where near on par with other aliens.

That's perhaps why it costs so little. In any case, in my opinion, the basi is quite overpowered for its cost.

[freezway]

One big problem. Quake 3 uses rectangular bounding boxes...

[Lecavalier]

This is getting embarrassing. 

[SirDude]

One big problem. Quake 3 uses rectangular bounding boxes...

how would that be a issue? the game can do full 3d movement, so i don't understand how making a player orbit another would be a huge issue.

This is getting embarrassing. 

> Implying we are embarrassed.

[Anonymoose]

SirDude, spectate some good basi users like Rezyn or Dracone and you will change your mind about the basi thing.

[swamp-cecil]

It doesnt need to kill. Some things it specialises in:
killing LoneWolves
Healing
Holding Bsuiters for bigger aliens
Gasing enemies for other aliens
Well...thats about it. If youre going to say that that iis little things it can do, lets look at a tyrant:
Rush humans bases
Kill mobs of humans
and yeah.

[Qrntz]

It doesnt need to kill.

killing LoneWolves

Kill mobs of humans

What.

[swamp-cecil]

It doesnt need to kill.

killing LoneWolves

Kill mobs of humans

What.

Im saying it doesnt NEED to kill. The 3rd quote, if you actually read my post makes sence. The basilisk can kill but thats not its only purpose

[SirDude]

ALL of the points FAIL vs and S2 and up human, healers can just get in the way at times.

[zybork]

Then use wallwalk…

Seriously, the basi is quite difficult to master, but if you do, it is an extraordinary weapon. Personally, when playing human, and I go out, I don't fear dragoons or marauders, for I can outmaneauver them, but a basilisk – forget it! One touch, one kill, if you are not lucky enough to be able to free yourself.

All in all, I think the problem is that certain people still mistake Tremulous with a classical brainless shoot-em-all–game, in Tremulous, you are required to THINK out your opponent as well. A hint for basi: Use wallwalk.

As a rule of thumb, everything that can walk on walls, should walk on walls, and if you have trouble with movement, just /devmap  ATCS or something, put some unpowered turrets around in the map, and then try a basi circling around them. You'll figure it wont be too hard. Later, put a repeater near the turrets and learn to kill an actually powered turret, if you master this, join a game and try it on the real thing.

Get skills, man!

[SirDude]

here the major flaw in you statement, when I SEE a basi, i see a easy kill its when i DON'T see it can become deadly.

but the thing is, after S1 i NEVER fear a basi, they are slow, big for their speed, and weak. i won't even mention how many times I've wiggled out of the basis grip just as its grabbing me, or just turned my mouse fast enough to shot shoot the basi even when its behind me.

[A Spork]

Then, like I said earlier, youve obviously never played against any very good basi's.
And they really aren't that slow...

[SlackerLinux]

  are not underpowered watch rezyn play his or really anyone who is a good player with a low ping you will see they are fast to sneak up and grab then rotate around in seconds if your alone your dead if not alone depending on the situation and the skill of your teammates you might  be able to kill him or wriggle out of his grip if your lucky

  really needs to be played differently from other classes to be effective and its highly ping dependant i can  ok with 50 ping but 250+ i cant

[SirDude]

Then like i have said earlier, you obviously have never played a player who is really good at killing bai.
they are pretty dam slow, i can easily dodge and run away from one.

you tell me you don't fear maras or goons, because you can "out maneuver" them, but you can't dodge the slowest offensive class in the game? wow, just wow. you obviously never played against any good mara or goon players.

you guys don't get the point at all.


im looking for a kill chart, as i bet the basi has the 2nd lowest kills. (granger is 1)

[Dracone]

^ What does an easier way of rotating around a grabbed player have to do with that? If you have them grabbed, you have them grabbed. It's your own issue if they get out of it. You can't get out of basi grab any other way than their aim coming off of your hitbox from some way, or if they die or you use a jetpack to escape. But as far as movement goes, there is NO way of getting "good" at getting out of basi grabs, it's always luck if they take their aim off of you or don't have it adjusted properly to begin with.

I liked the basi more in 1.1 when it took more pure skill and just as much intelligent play to use to its fullest, but there's nothing really showing that it's underpowered now. It's clearly much more annoying for better humans to handle though, with its longer grab range.

you tell me you don't fear maras or goons, because you can "out maneuver" them, but you can't dodge the slowest offensive class in the game? wow, just wow. you obviously never played against any good mara or goon players.

I didn't feel like taking note of WHO you were talking to in this, don't really care who it was because your point is invalid; I myself am one of the best players in the game, especially when it comes to human dodging and such, and decent basis will still get me. I see other great players get taken out the same way. It's true that you can pull some strategic movement out of your ass and fool basis, but you're ignorant if you think they're slow.

[SirDude]

if you could quickly get behind a player, it makes you relay on stealth less when fighting helms or even a battlesuit, where stealth is really ineffective.





are basi prone to "quick bursts of speed"? no basi are one of the easiest things to outmaneuver in the game, because if your moving and they try to grab you, you have a great chance of slipping out of the grip.

[Qrntz]

if you could quickly get behind a player, it makes you relay on stealth less when fighting helms or even a battlesuit, where stealth is really ineffective.





are basi prone to "quick bursts of speed"? no basi are one of the easiest things to outmaneuver in the game, because if your moving and they try to grab you, you have a great chance of slipping out of the grip.

tl;dr
Try it on a skilled basi.

[Nux]

Either:

• your view direction is fixed to your target and your idea is in fact an aimbot, or
• your view direction is free and your idea is a silly feature that restricts you in a counter-intuitive way

I'm sorry, but it just sounds like you're bad at playing basi.

Edit: A more interesting idea would be to have your E button activate grab on the player you're looking at but won't be released by looking away, instead only letting go when the E button is released or you move too far from your target. This means that grabbing is no longer dependent on continually looking at the target, allowing you to pay more attention to other players. It reduces necessary skill by a degree but it's still an interesting mechanism. Also interesting is the possibility to drag players using a similar feature. What would be even more interesting is if basilisks could carry other aliens places they wouldn't otherwise be able to go, using the same grab feature.

All of this is wild speculation, which is fun but I don't pretend it will happen simply by my suggesting it.

[Meisseli]

if you could quickly get behind a player, it makes you relay on stealth less when fighting helms or even a battlesuit, where stealth is really ineffective.

News of the day! Since the release of Tremulous, people have been struggling with the Basilisk. Meisseli here has developed a technique which you can use to get quickly behind a player! Meisseli, tell us more about this unique technique you developed.

"Well, one day I was struggling with the basilisk, dying and so on. The usual. Then I had an idea: why don't I go behind a player? I used the WASD keys with my left hand and the mouse with my right hand to circle around a human and ended up behind him. After that, I just clawed away and successfully killed the poor fellow! Needless to say, I was joyous!"

How extraordinary! This unique technique truly helps us who struggle with the basilisk to attain a level of skill never witnessed! Thank you Meisseli!

[Garion]

Instead, I suggest we give basi the ability to buy weapons at the armory.

[Tremulant]

ZOMG, The secret's out, this is going to be a game changer!

[Dracone]

ZOMG, The secret's out, this is going to be a game changer!

Um no, because this

Instead, I suggest we give basi the ability to buy weapons at the armory.

is going to happen. Endorsement achieved.

[Qrntz]

Instead, I suggest we give basi the ability to buy weapons at the armory.

And make the armoury invisible, STEALTH EVERYBODY ASAP.

[Rezyn]

Don't forget to give basi the ability to grab human structures and move them.

[DraZiLoX]

  should also be able to move brushes from maps.

[SirDude]

News of the day! Since the release of Tremulous, people have been struggling with the Basilisk. Meisseli here has developed a technique which you can use to get quickly behind a player! Meisseli, tell us more about this unique technique you developed.

"Well, one day I was struggling with the basilisk, dying and so on. The usual. Then I had an idea: why don't I go behind a player? I used the WASD keys with my left hand and the mouse with my right hand to circle around a human and ended up behind him. After that, I just clawed away and successfully killed the poor fellow! Needless to say, I was joyous!"

How extraordinary! This unique technique truly helps us who struggle with the basilisk to attain a level of skill never witnessed! Thank you Meisseli!

you don't get the picture, how the hell are you going to get behind a player who has a helm, or go after a battle suit (witch isn't really something you should go after as basi, but if you can't run away...).

i know your there so i can get the first shot, and doge away with basi being so dam slow. and with the fact that humans can sprint for so long compared to 1.1, you won't have a great chance to grab me because I won't let you even get close to me.

[swamp-cecil]

If you see basilisk, it may run. If you are bassy and he sees you, run, wait till he keeps venturing onwards then attack. Its what i do.

also; To get behind helmet doods, use gas when they see you. For bsuiters, forget it. They arent built for Bsuiters.

[Tremulant]

SirDude, have you ever played GPP when rezyn's(or a good handful of other skilled basi-handlers for that matter) around? If he's on the alien team and i see or hear a basi my immediate reaction goes from the usual, "hmm, worth a punt" to "christ, run like fuck, it's probably rez!". I'm not a terrible player, by no means fantastic but i can just about dodge, but if i come up against a half-decent basi then, more often than not, i'm screwed, even if i'm in possession of a helmet and flamer.

[SirDude]

a good portion of players will go a different route or wait you out if you go basi, i tend you hunt you down.

if you got flamer, shoot the floor. the splash damage can get him killed before you do.

[swamp-cecil]

a good portion of players will go a different route or wait you out if you go basi, i tend you hunt you down.

if you got flamer, shoot the floor. the splash damage can get him killed before you do.

if theey camp, use flank.

and it wouldnt be fair for a 2 evo hate salesman to kill a 1000creds headhunter.