ATCS on a better engine (Screenshots)

[Drag222]

Wel first, let me tell you that it's the first map I ever madde on any engine, but the editor of this engine is so easy to use that I was able to barely do it.
It's made on the Natural Selection 2 engine, and since this game is set in the same context as Tremulous, I didn't need any new assets.

The map is not over Yet, i'd say it's 50% done, I still have to do the outside and add more details (like fans turning with dynamic shadows )
But It takes me a long time and I don't know when it'll be 100% done so I'll show you the human side
Also, note that i'm not happy at all with the lighting, but hey, I'm a noob mapper and so a noob light user... I don't know how to have a good lighting.
But everything is dynamic =)

This will give you a nice Idea about what tremulous could look like in your dreams =D
Also I know it's not proportionally the same as tremulous, but it's very hard to keep the same proportions especially for a noob mapper

Now after all this talk, here are the screenshots :






I hope that you like it =]

[F50]

Hrm. Alternate ATCS textures are becoming common these days. Thankfully, they are also becoming awesome. Looks great.

[Drag222]

Hrm. Alternate ATCS textures are becoming common these days. Thankfully, they are also becoming awesome. Looks great.

It's not alternate ATCS textures, it's ATCS on another engine, it's written everywhere, even in the title.

[CATAHA]

I wish such engine possibilities in Trem. =\

[Drag222]

I wish such engine possibilities in Trem. =\

I made this just to make people drowl

[CreatureofHell]

If Tremulous looked like this in my dreams then I would be having a nightmare.

[jm82792]

Bad lighting wreaks the best scenes.

[Cadynum]

The textures and the gun looks nice but what the hell is up with the light?

[cron]

The textures and the gun looks nice but what the hell is up with the light?

i'm not happy at all with the lighting, but hey, I'm a noob mapper and so a noob light user... I don't know how to have a good lighting.

[jm82792]

I know cron.
But I was more or less saying it would be much better with better lighting.
If this engine was open source it would be a choice but it's not so I see this as a dead issue.
However it does show what trem can look like!

[Nux]

Is it just me who doesn't mind the graphical capabilities of trem and would at best like to see better assets (models, textures etc.) on the existing engine?

[KillerWhale]

I made all of ATCS in Minecraft once, but I didn't have the paid version, so I couldn't save it.

[jm82792]

I'll do it in Blender maybe?
Just got the game engines shaders under foot as I've been primarily focused with gameplay stuff.

[F50]

Is it just me who doesn't mind the graphical capabilities of trem and would at best like to see better assets (models, textures etc.) on the existing engine?

No, its not just you. Graphics are merely the cherry on top, so to speak.

[Aviator]

Is it just me who doesn't mind the graphical capabilities of trem and would at best like to see better assets (models, textures etc.) on the existing engine?

Yes. Because some people (such as me) don't have high end computers.

[CATAHA]

Is it just me who doesn't mind the graphical capabilities of trem and would at best like to see better assets (models, textures etc.) on the existing engine?

If I understood you correctly, then you should read the specifications of ioQ3, because the current engine is very easily lead to the limit of its possibilities. =] Not so easy to greatly improve the current engine with a still normal performance.

Yes. Because some people (such as me) don't have high end computers.

Can be used Odin's quote:

Like I've said 9,001 times before: you port it to XreaL, and make the assets later(or hell, let the community go nuts). You'll have a ton of features and speed improvements. Yes, you'll alienate a bunch of people who have ancient hardware. In my opinion, it's not fair that the entire community has to suffer at the expense of people who can't be bothered to enter the 21st century in terms of gaming computing. If anything, the devs could use a switch in the code to disable everything XreaL and release two binaries, one that's for ancient clunkers, and one that's for people who want to actually use their hardware.

[gimhael]

If I understood you correctly, then you should read the specifications of ioQ3, because the current engine is very easily lead to the limit of its possibilities. =] Not so easy to greatly improve the current engine with a still normal performance.

You have to understand that the Tremulous devs are interested in game development, not engine development. If you want engine improvements you have to either bother the ioquake developers/maintainers or switch to a completely different engine.

Switching engines probably means that the new and the old client will not be compatible. Even Xreal which is the closest engine to ioquake3 has (afaik) different cgame traps, shader syntax etc, so that having two 100% compatible clients for the low and high end is not easy at all.

[Tremulant]

Is it just me who doesn't mind the graphical capabilities of trem and would at best like to see better assets (models, textures etc.) on the existing engine?

Ah, another weirdo who, like me, doesn't believe that the current state of trem's assets is pushing the limits of ioq3's abilities, don't let cataha see you say this.

[CATAHA]

You have to understand that the Tremulous devs are interested in game development, not engine development. If you want engine improvements you have to either bother the ioquake developers/maintainers or switch to a completely different engine.

Switching engines probably means that the new and the old client will not be compatible. Even Xreal which is the closest engine to ioquake3 has (afaik) different cgame traps, shader syntax etc, so that having two 100% compatible clients for the low and high end is not easy at all.

1st - not engine development. Devs dont need develop own engine since a lot of ready exist.
2nd - is 1.2 client compartable with 1.1? =D
In any case... We're talking about ioQ3 limitations, not about engine upgrade right now. ioQ3 have it limits, so talking about 'more detailed models and textures' as Nux its just generally wasting of time. =D

Note 2 Tremulant: Im not saying current Trem state reached limits. It just fact that with every 'improved' model, etc we're getting much closer to it limits. And put on a 'huge uncompressed TGA`s and more-poly models' its just purchasing of minor improvements for the incredible price. =D

[Qrntz]

Oh my, did someone else notice THAT IS A REAL IN-GAME FLASHLIGHT?

[Drag222]

Oh my, did someone else notice THAT IS A REAL IN-GAME FLASHLIGHT?

Yeah, I did notice that ! Did you notice that, even if the lighting is shitty as hell, and it's just screenshot, it's all realtime?

And to the others, if you could give constructive crit, what you think is totally wrong in the lighting, how to make it look better, I'd appreciate. Maybe I could make it look good

[jm82792]

Baking it(well if it actually uses some nice lighting algorithm that can't normally be done real time) will help because you can do much more advanced lighting calculations like raytracing.
In the end you'd get color bleed and more realism.

[Drag222]

Baking it(well if it actually uses some nice lighting algorithm that can't normally be done real time) will help because you can do much more advanced lighting calculations like raytracing.
In the end you'd get color bleed and more realism.

Yep I agree, but still, it's a realtime engine, I can't change that.

[DraZiLoX]

* DraZiLoX drools at those picz!

[jm82792]

Read up on lighting and you'll get the hang of it.

[swamp-cecil]

Epic! Also: The lighting ruins it. Trem should consider making it a legit game online. Wait...Im going off topic.

[DeadMeat]

it looks good. now you can go and buy it.

[jm82792]

Unfortunately other than showing doubters nice looking stuff your wasting your time
Blender game engine anyone?
Not that bad.

[Tremulant]

Blender game engine anyone?
Not that bad.

Seriously? Why's the BGE version of Yo frankie so unbelievably half-arsed and shitty, then? are there any decent games out there that use it?

[jm82792]

Blender game engine anyone?
Not that bad.

Seriously? Why's the BGE version of Yo frankie so unbelievably half-arsed and shitty, then? are there any decent games out there that use it?

I know what you mean, it was a demo kind of thing that was done 2(?) years ago and it doesn't look bad but it's a bad idea going for organics when you can make inorganic (trem stuff, indoors, metal, glass, etc) look much better with more ease.

No gameplay for YoFrankie that's worth mentioning, for games there have been a few commercial ones...
From what I've noticed from my testing(and hours of online reading) it can run fast on a newer computer(or disable settings), it does have networking capacity and finally it can look really good.