Admins shouldn't be allowed to use !passvote on admit defeat votes

[baybal]

Shoud I tell that it's an obvious admin rights abuse?

[Tremulant]

You could mention who's been doing it and provide evidence.

[Ingar]

Shoud I tell that it's an obvious admin rights abuse?

Abuse depends on what you're hitting with the hammer.

[Plague Bringer]

Shoud I tell that it's an obvious admin rights abuse?

Abuse depends on what you're hitting with the hammer.

This is more misuse than abuse, as, far as I know, it's not against any rules. That being said, I can agree that it should be, at the very least, discouraged as much as !passvoting a map vote or nextmap.

[janev]

[Qrntz]

Is this a banhammer or you meant to post here?

[Undeference]

Alien team gone but for 1 dretch hiding in a vent the stage 1 humans can't get to, admitdefeat vote is failing. Passvote, or putteam the lamer.

Without knowing anything it's hard to know anything.
But I did ass a passvote bit to Lakitu7's "common sense" post in the rules thread, because common sense isn't.

[janev]

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Is this a banhammer or you meant to post here?

It goes either way. I just really like that gif.

[Lecavalier]

!Passvote is almost exclusively used to abuse.

[kharnov]

Shoud I tell that it's an obvious admin rights abuse?

Right, because as we all know, you're very reliable at determining what abuse is.

If someone wanted to abuse, they could just, you know, /mute or /kick or /ban or /denybuild or whatever someone. Does that mean we should take away those commands too? Maybe we should take away /spec999 because it performs the unconscionable action of moving a non-responding laggy player to the spectators without having to ask them for permission. But why stop there? Maybe we should take away /adminhelp so that admins don't even know how to use any of those horrible commands. If we take away /listplayers then admins won't even know which slot to use commands on! If we take away /namelog then we won't be able to see your aliases, baybal. All those lovely aliases you like to use when pissing us the fuck off. Because that's all you do. You're even currently banned for two weeks and you're posting about admins abusing their rights. Absolutely incredible.

On-topic, here are some legit uses for /passvote:

• A nextmap vote is about to pass, but there's a single alien left and it's currently being hunted down by humans and probably won't live long enough for the ~20 seconds to go by.
• When you're about to kick someone for griefing, but the players have already called a kick vote on them.
• Like Undeference said, passing admit defeat when there's someone hiding in a vent and they can't be reached.
• Passing admit defeat votes when someone has glitch built and /revert won't really help much.

Here are some legit uses for having baybal around US Main:

• There are none.

[CreatureofHell]

But I did ass a passvote

Ass those passvotes!

[1337-Kynes]

I don't think anything needs to be done about this unless it becomes a problem. Even if somebody does abuse it, I think it makes more sense to demote that admin instead of writing code just for this issue.

[baybal]

Shoud I tell that it's an obvious admin rights abuse?

Right, because as we all know, you're very reliable at determining what abuse is.

Do you think that if you sabotate a human team twice by destroying their repeater that prevents nodes from self destroying and then evades kick using your admin priviledges is not an abuse? You are a senior chronic abuser.

If someone wanted to abuse, they could just, you know, /mute or /kick or /ban or /denybuild or whatever someone. Does that mean we should take away those commands too? Maybe we should take away /spec999 because it performs the unconscionable action of moving a non-responding laggy player to the spectators without having to ask them for permission. But why stop there? Maybe we should take away /adminhelp so that admins don't even know how to use any of those horrible commands. If we take away /listplayers then admins won't even know which slot to use commands on! If we take away /namelog then we won't be able to see your aliases, baybal. All those lovely aliases you like to use when pissing us the fuck off. Because that's all you do. You're even currently banned for two weeks and you're posting about admins abusing their rights. Absolutely incredible.

^1You piss me off, not I. You grief my game, now it's my time to grief your game a bit. Sooner or later, you will loose your privedges if you will continue to do so. So shut up please and don't cover that guy. Btw I don't know about which ban you are talking about, I'm still playing.

The abuse I'm talking about happened yesterday at thermal. I didn't remember the name and probably the guy wasn't even playing under his default nickname.

Kharnov btw, should I take it as an attempt to blackmail me to shut me up? What do you define as being a big jerk? Being vocal about gang of bad admins covering each other or just reporting about everyday admin abuse?

You have a choice.
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You can keep going down your current path and see where that gets you. Or you can apologize and stop being a gigantic jerk to the administration of US Main.

[kharnov]

Btw I don't know about which ban you are talking about, I'm still playing.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that you're banned.

Kharnov btw, should I take it as an attempt to blackmail me to shut me up?

I give every troll one chance at peace. You have a choice. You can end up like dobruiyyk or Tokai or Outflanked, or you can be a positive member of the Tremulous community, one that contributes and doesn't interpret every single admin action as abuse. I'm not trying to "shut you up", I'm just telling you the path you're going down. This could have been resolved outside the thread (preferably), but you chose to bring it here.

If you end up as a pariah, that was your choice. People use admin commands on you because you break the rules. It doesn't have to be this way. You could stop breaking the rules.

now it's my time to grief your game a bit

 

[baybal]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that you're banned.

Kharnov btw, should I take it as an attempt to blackmail me to shut me up?

I give every troll one chance at peace. You have a choice. You can end up like dobruiyyk or Tokai, or you can be a positive member of the Tremulous community, one that contributes and doesn't interpret every single admin action as abuse. If you end up as a pariah, that was your choice.

now it's my time to grief your game a bit

 

Yes, I'm a completely positive member member of Tremulous community, but who r u. I wouldn't apologise for reporting abuse. I don't know how this guy "Pissed off" warlock, but "pisses me off" is not even a valid explanation for ban. I will report any further abuse and ban me if you want though. I see no further purpose trolling with you here.

Addition:

If you end up as a pariah, that was your choice. People use admin commands on you because you break the rules. It doesn't have to be this way. You could stop breaking the rules.

So you edited your post and added a small mentioning of rules. I think you should follow these rules first if you remembered them out of sudden.

[kharnov]

Yes, I'm a completely positive member member of Tremulous community

Let's see.

• You have this odd obsession with stealing tags and imitating people's names. When we tell you to rename yourself, you don't. When we rename you, the first thing you do is change right back to the offending name. Then you spam "ABUSE!" in red letters until we have to mute you for a few minutes.
• You call map votes, and when they fail, you recall them over and over again until we have to start canceling them. Then you start using your red-letter "ABUSE!" bind until we have to mute you. Again.
• In fact, every time we have to mute you for spamming, you always seem to make sure to notify us the next game by spamming even more.
• Even when we've kicked other people or performed other actions that weren't even targeted at you, you spam "ABUSE!" at us in red letters.

Maybe you think that by constantly changing your qkey, that we don't know it's you doing all this shit. But we know who you are, and you're seriously annoying us. These are all minor offenses, but repeated to the point that they're daily occurrences, and this has been going on for months. Mutes don't work on you. Renames don't work on you. Ample warning does nothing. Eventually, you crossed someone's breaking point. I don't know what triggered Warlock to ban you, but I'm not going to be the one to remove that ban.

And how does this all relate to the topic on hand? It's just more of baybal's knee-jerk reaction that every single admin command is abuse. baybal is rapidly establishing himself as another person crying wolf with pointless abuse threads.

[baybal]

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You have this odd obsession with stealing tags.

Can you present a screenshot?

2 Baseless allegation

3 Present a screenshot

4 Screenshot

[kharnov]

1

You have this odd obsession with stealing tags.

Can you present a screenshot?

2 Baseless allegation

3 Present a screenshot

4 Screenshot

http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/us1/player_details.php?player_id=19762
http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/us1/player_details.php?player_id=3188
http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/us1/player_details.php?player_id=18352

Those are just from a few of your qkeys. There are more of them out there. Many of them. All have the same IP and connect from the same location with the same exact ISP. Don't try to play around with me here.

I don't condump for lesser rule breaking, but anyone with access to the game log can just grep your names and see all the bullshit you've done over the last half year or so.

[baybal]

I used to play under a nick of iam30fpsatnetbook, and some admins didn't like it and abused !changename a lot. Others are not related to me at all.

[kharnov]

Others are not related to me at all.

Are you blind?

All have the same IP and connect from the same location with the same exact ISP. Don't try to play around with me here.

[baybal]

Stop spoiling my day, do you know what isp wide nat is?

[Undeference]

Ass those passvotes!

Yes, like butting something, and I was very arsed by it.

3 Present a screenshot

Re: this thread. Anything, a screenshot, condump, demo, anything.

do you know what isp wide nat is?

Evil.

[kharnov]

Stop spoiling my day, do you know what isp wide nat is?

You're spoiling your own day. You're the one choosing to be a gigantic jerk. This can all be solved by just apologizing and not shitting on the US Main administration. You keep thinking you have some sort of magical information that's going to make all of us disappear, and yet you consistently come up with nothing. All you do is make yourself look like an idiot.

And don't think for a second that I'm going to believe that someone with the same binds, names, play style, IP and ISP is not the same person.

[Qrntz]

[Aviator]

Baybal you realize you aren't going to get anywhere if you keep trying to feed them bullshit (does that sum it up?).

I'm still stuck at the "everybody doing exams" phase

[Heli]

On-topic, here are some legit uses for /passvote:

• Like Undeference said, passing admit defeat when there's someone hiding in a vent and they can't be reached.

I respectfully disagree on this.  If it is stage 1 and humans can't kill the alien, then it should be a draw.  Like chess, sometimes it is a tactical decision to force the draw which is a better outcome than admit defeat.  If this situation arises, then passvote on a draw vote would be the more appropriate decision.

[Plague Bringer]

But that begs the question: is hiding in an inaccessible vent to force a draw legitimate? Does it depend on the situation? Why is everyone having pissing contest with Kharnov? Next time, on Tremulous.net.

[Undeference]

I respectfully disagree on this.  If it is stage 1 and humans can't kill the alien, then it should be a draw.  Like chess, sometimes it is a tactical decision to force the draw which is a better outcome than admit defeat.  If this situation arises, then passvote on a draw vote would be the more appropriate decision.

The humans won; the fact that they can't get the "win" is most likely attributable to bad map design rather than some deficiency of the human team. Forcing a draw serves no purpose other than annoying the other players, the worst sin committable on a public server.

But that begs the question

That doesn't mean what you think.

is hiding in an inaccessible vent to force a draw legitimate? Does it depend on the situation?

In a tournament, it depends on the tournament rules. On a public server, it's just stupid.

[Plague Bringer]

But that begs the question

That doesn't mean what you think.

I think I was looking for "raises".

is hiding in an inaccessible vent to force a draw legitimate? Does it depend on the situation?

The humans won; the fact that they can't get the "win" is most likely attributable to bad map design rather than some deficiency of the human team. Forcing a draw serves no purpose other than annoying the other players, the worst sin committable on a public server.

!!!

Agreed, though.

My earlier statement was made without knowing why exactly the !passvote was happened. People either need to stop bitching or start being actually wronged by admins. I swear, people will go after any excuse to take a jab at authority around here.

[kharnov]

People either need to stop bitching or start being actually wronged by admins. I swear, people will go after any excuse to take a jab at authority around here.

If I could paint that statement on every single one of these threads, I would.

But I can't, so I'll put it in my signature.