Why Trem will die.

[c4]

Admin abuse on the us official server doesnt even compare to aa back in the day.  The problem is really that people other than the devs have admin.  Players who dont have admin may very well consider some admins their peers, and when shit happens, this leads to further outrage.  In any case, if the devs arent playing the game enough to monitor the server themselves and need extra admins, then a system of admin approval should be taken into consideration, for instance, i find a noob builder and attempt to kick him, but my kick has to first be approved by another admin; a message appearing to all of them.

[1337-Kynes]

system of admin approval

I think we pretty much do this automatically by discussing bans and things over admin chat.

[F50]

If only the devs had admin, I'm pretty sure people would complain about dev abuse, amoung other obvious problems that would arise.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

there is no rule against it. You make one, I'll follow it.


Unless I'm obviously spamming them, which I don't until the games done with and it really doesn't matter. I got singled out and I don't really like that.

Tremulous Official Server Rules

Player Rules
1. No Griefing
2. No Harassment
3. No Glitch building
4. No Cheating
5. No Server Takeovers
6. No Spamming

[monkeyman33420]

The official rules are pretty clear.
Trem is an open environment,  I think it would be a bad precedent to start censorship on a qualitative basis rather than the quantitative basis. Right now the rules prohibit spamming, harassment, and griefing. Spamming and harassment are pretty self-explanatory.  Griefing specifically targets the folks who bitch and whine.

Trying to censor based on content seems ill advised, and not really all that necessary.

That said, administration of a public server, done right, is a PITA. Ultimately it has to take priority to your own gaming enjoyment. A good litmus test is: Is this for the server or for Me?
I think some admins even take it further than simply using their administration commands. Taking the time to try and teach newbies, add balance to the game, or even quit playing to spectate and make sure folks are behaving themselves are really good things that should be encouraged.

Finally, it seems to make sense rather than admins being a sole source of censorship (a position I think most would avoid anyway), if you really are annoyed by what someone is saying or has binded, callvote mute. Its quite effective even when call_vote unmute is called within a minute...it lets the individual know that the majority of the server is annoyed by what they say.

That said...I add RATFARTS!

mm69

[Lakitu7]

Vague complaints of nonspecific dissent are entirely worthless. If you have a specific thing to complain about, do it. Otherwise, meh.

Spamming some stupid bind all the time is a bad idea because it annoys people. Some of those people are admins. If you choose to do this, you do so at your own risk of mutes. If that is a problem, do not do it.

[Volt]

play with /cl_noprint 1 = no drama

[Cadynum]

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Congratulations on your well formatted post, but asking you to stop using your penis binds does not equal censorship.

[Vape]

i dun no mb u try say n-word insted and c if work?? 

even wen i say n-word i get the mutes  bt some guy had name that way and he no got renamed?? seem fair? i dun think so 

I don't have admin on the official server, so therefor I hate and am against anything they do.

[jm82792]

In the end we have a great formula for the game,
however because it's showing it's age; we are running out of people who appreciate it for what it is... -- gameplay!
In advertising you need cool looking things to attract people to buy stuff.
You can have a crappy product with great appeal, and still get people to buy into it(initially!)
For Tremulous it's running out of visual appeal compared to modern low end games,
and there is a replacement quota of people that need to go into it/play to keep the community from shrinking.
Yes you know what I am saying what we need, and I'll leave it at that.
The community here isn't the most savory, but with more people, there will be more full servers, and people can find the one with the vibes they enjoy being immersed in.

[CreatureofHell]

I would like to point out here that if you don't have rules then people are less likely to break them. This reduces the need for banning and admins. Fewer admins theoretically means less abuse.
Thus, everyone is happy.

[Vape]

I would like to point out here that if you don't have rules then people are less likely to break them.

So if we don't have laws people will be less likely to break laws right!?

[Asvarox]

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[CreatureofHell]

I would like to point out here that if you don't have rules then people are less likely to break them.

So if we don't have laws people will be less likely to break laws right!?

Maybe I should have said if you don't have laws people can't break them.

[Ingar]

Congratulations, you're now a level 3 admin. Do it better.

[SPK]

Tremulous should make it into Steam

[Vape]

Let this be a lesson to all of you:
Bitch about the admins on US 1 and you will get level 3.

You should really think hard about who is given admin. Dont just give it to people who you associate with, but people who are active, dont abuse and will do their duties as admins.

[toast]

Congratulations, you're now a level 3 admin. Do it better.

will do my damn best Ing. thanks.

[Blade]

I so fucking agree with toast. The reason for the death of trem is not only the abusive admins, but the trolls.

Seems legit...

Most people are good, but people who talk about sex and swear alot are the people who make people leave and give a bad impression to the newcommers.

...the fuck. Take it to xbox live if you want to be babied.

i find a noob builder and attempt to kick him

yeop.

[Nux]

i find a noob builder and attempt to kick him

yeop.

I think you missed the part where he calls for bad admin decisions to be restrained by a system of peer approval, which that was an example of.

At least I hope that was an example of a bad admin decision...

[ULTRA Random ViruS]

To be productive, However:

1: 1.2 GPP needs an equivalent to the Wrath Newbie Training Server. When I first started, there were a number of times that I almost ragequit, but WNTS kept me around just long enough to get addicted, and that's the sweet spot in keeping a game alive.

2: This one is painfully obvious: If you like trem (a lot), then find ppl like you (online or real ppl) and point them to the game. Play a private match with them. Get them addicted. w/e

1. : I joined tremulous before this server even existed, and it never had as much players per day on average compare to US Official.
2. : I already do this. I also am willing to use a tremulous poster as my spraypaint in TF2 (I only play because it is the only other shooting game that comes free on macintosh; nothing happens on macintoshes. Also, my mac trem is broken, no one answers. But i will still say trem is my fravourite game... since i was in year 6. When me and my brother played on the Bananas server with !slapme and... i think thats all i can remember of. I had a mushy brain then.)

[Firstinaction]

Really tremulous is dead. For the past years  1.1 and/ Gpp has only 100 people a day on both games together.   People say trem is dying...


Trem is dead already....     DUHHH!!!!   



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Kinda been like that for years

[Garion]

Trem is dead, it's the nerves that still make the corpse move.

[Nux]

If tremulous is a body, then you're the aches and pains and just like real aches and pains you wouldn't be here if it was dead.

[Garion]

You're sweet as honey, Nux. I know why you're saying I'm the aches and pains of Tremulous, because truth always hurt. At first.

[Thorn]

Gayrion owned this thread...

[vcxzet]

it died already

[Ingar]

it died already

When was the last time you played tremulous?

[Vape]

Why would he play a dead game?

[SPK]

Oomg dont say that, why would you demotivate the developers?
Better say that we're still there supporting them and wating for put the hands on their work : D