Lucy Spamming

[Captain Ventris]

So, the Second mouse button is considered spamming with a Lucy? The second mouse button is there for a reason. To be used. Spam is when a weapon is being fired apart from any Aliens, right?

[Paradox]

Spam on sst is any series of primary shots fired faster than a 3 second wait period in between.

[benplaut]

the way i understand, spam is just sitting on a turret spamming 2nd fire...

how would you be able to get 3 second regular fire, anyway? a bug?

[kevlarman]

i don't see how firing the primary fire more than once per 3 seconds is spamming in and of itself. i consider firing either primary or secondary fire repeatedly without any chance of actually hitting anything (like down a long hall) to be spamming.

[Basilisco]

Spamming means shooting any weapon (luci in this case) in such a manner that other's can't play normally.

Examples:

-Shooting down the corridor repeatedly.

-Spamming the alien base entrance, making it difficult for the aliens to get out and/or humans to get in.
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Shooting several time at someone who is 5-10 feet away from you=not spamming.

[Rippy]

I consider spamming to be
a) Firing at (or near) a weapon's top firing rate with the intention of making up for a lack of accuracy by releasing more projectiles.
or
b) Firing at (or near) a weapon's top firing rate without aiming at an enemy, instead simply filling up a hallway with fire in the hopes that you'll get some free hits on anything that comes through.

Either of those is accentuated if the player is staying close to their base, because they know they need to make frequent trips to the armoury.

I'm pretty sure those are the only two legitimate definitions of spamming. Any other accusations can be put into the "bitching" category.

[Stof]

b) Firing at (or near) a weapon's top firing rate without aiming at an enemy, instead simply filling up a hallway with fire

That's called suppresive fire, not spaming. If an alien is stupid enouth to die to it, then it was his fault

Seriously enouth, I've done that some times when I wanted to keep the aliens away from a corridor. Usualy when you really don't want aliens reaching your base ( defenses down, reactor rebuilding, critical buildings missing ... )

[Neo]

Lucy spamming is where people manage to crank out almost full powered shots right after each other so that nothing can survive, which is annoying as aliens seeing as 2 people spamming an entrance camping a repeater means you can't use that entrance.

Though as a tactical note, spammers are typically turret campers, so they only annoy when aliens are on the offensive.

[Paradox]

how would you be able to get 3 second regular fire, anyway? a bug?

Not charge a shot all the way. Does similar damage, yet is fast.

[temple]

I consider spamming to be
a) Firing at (or near) a weapon's top firing rate with the intention of making up for a lack of accuracy by releasing more projectiles.
or
b) Firing at (or near) a weapon's top firing rate without aiming at an enemy, instead simply filling up a hallway with fire in the hopes that you'll get some free hits on anything that comes through.

Either of those is accentuated if the player is staying close to their base, because they know they need to make frequent trips to the armoury.

I'm pretty sure those are the only two legitimate definitions of spamming. Any other accusations can be put into the "bitching" category.

I agree.  

If I'm running against a Tyrant, how can I survive without shooting?

[DarkRogue]

how would you be able to get 3 second regular fire, anyway? a bug?

Not charge a shot all the way. Does similar damage, yet is fast.

Should beat it into your admins heads then Para, quite afew of the sst admins are of the belief the rapid secondary fire of luci is 'spamming' and thus illegal

[Taiyo.uk]

A quick search sould find a big long thread about luci spamming.... Some consider it bad and others do not. Although it is possible to rapid primary fire, the damage done by each primary luci ball is proportional to the charge time (have a look at the sources), so rapid primary does NOT do more dps than slow primary fire.

Some consider this improper use as the lcannon has a rapid secondary fire.

[DASPRiD]

Well, but the slow charged fire takes a long time on his way... enough time, to wait 3 seconds, do a stap aside, and jump onto the human's head

[Stof]

A quick search sould find a big long thread about luci spamming.... Some consider it bad and others do not. Although it is possible to rapid primary fire, the damage done by each primary luci ball is proportional to the charge time (have a look at the sources), so rapid primary does NOT do more dps than slow primary fire.

Some consider this improper use as the lcannon has a rapid secondary fire.

Which does pitiful damage and is still too slow moving to hit anything not at point blank range. The only uses I have for that one are to kill a dretch in a small vent I'm crawling through, to make lots of pretty lights for cheap and to cancel a primary charge when I don't want to use the ammo.

Well, but the slow charged fire takes a long time on his way... enough time, to wait 3 seconds, do a stap aside, and jump onto the human's head

And at that point, you get hit by a low charge primary fire shot

[DASPRiD]

Nah, my movement is to good, the human does not hit, even if I kiss his lipps (head) with my big mauth :>

2 humans with BS/Luci? No problem. But 2 humans with BS/Chain ARE a problem for a tyrant

[Stof]

Nah, my movement is to good, the human does not hit, even if I kiss his lipps (head) with my big mauth :>

2 humans with BS/Luci? No problem. But 2 humans with BS/Chain ARE a problem for a tyrant

Oh, if it's a Tyrant in front of me, I would have already used all the tools at my disposal to get some confortable distance between he and me Most of the times, those tools consist of :
- I'm not too far from my base and if the tyrant gets closer, I'll hide behind the turrets
- Luci jump somewhere the Tyrant can't reach
- Crouch somewhere the Tyrant can't reach
- Luci jump out of reach if a long enouth corridor ( only buys some time until I find another solution )
- lucispam while retreating to a more strategic position, often combined with the one above

The last two are when I'm really desesperate and their rate of success isn't too high

[temple]

After speccing people and playing myself, you best bet is charging aliens while charging the Luci and dumping the blast on them or on a surface near them.  Anything else is ineffective against large aliens.  

Aliens' swipe or chomp have a little range.  Tyrants are going to strafe and swipe you before the secondary fire drops them to 50%.  Dragoons can fly around the litte shoots and eventually chomp, unless you are spamming (which I would just sit back while you waste ammo).  When an alien is close, seconday fire isn't going to change a thing.  

Secondary fire is good for saving ammo when you want to pop alien structures.  If you can anticipate and aim for the surface near an alien, you can be deadly because the splash damage goes a long way with backing down and eventually finishing aliens off.  Luci shots are too easy to dodge regardless of type. In fact the chaingun and luci should have a big sign saying 'Use at close range' because they just TK teammates if you aren't up close with them.  In fact, I refuse to play humans simply because of TKing so much from people with chainguns or lucis that don't know how to use them.

[beerbitch]

This is just my lame opinion, but I don't believe there is such a thing as lucy spamming. If the game allows you to shoot a lucy down a hallway repeatedly, then its a FEATURE of the game. If its a feature its all good. I see a problem with lucy if more then a handfull of humans are using it in a crowded server like the SST servers and causing LAG, otherwise I see nothing wrong with it. If the aliens can't get out of their base, then too bad. I play all over the place and I see aliens win about 70% of the time on average. If the humans manage to trap you aliens in a base, tough. Whah.

beerbitch

[Juno]

spamming is just a tactic



just as camping the base with goons/tyrants is a tactic











both are bloody annoying still tho, but fair play imo, even if i do type " lol spam"


 really annoying is noobs on turrets luci spamming, but again they dont know better

its annoying yes, but why kick people for it if they arnt damaging the base?

[Door Slammer]

This is just my lame opinion, but I don't believe there is such a thing as lucy spamming. If the game allows you to shoot a lucy down a hallway repeatedly, then its a FEATURE of the game. If its a feature its all good. I see a problem with lucy if more then a handfull of humans are using it in a crowded server like the SST servers and causing LAG, otherwise I see nothing wrong with it. If the aliens can't get out of their base, then too bad. I play all over the place and I see aliens win about 70% of the time on average. If the humans manage to trap you aliens in a base, tough. Whah.

beerbitch

I agree.  The rapid fire full charge shot of the luci can make a luci/ tyrant fight more winnable.  This coming from a guy who is generally alien.

[Rippy]

b) Firing at (or near) a weapon's top firing rate without aiming at an enemy, instead simply filling up a hallway with fire

That's called suppresive fire, not spaming. If an alien is stupid enouth to die to it, then it was his fault

Seriously enouth, I've done that some times when I wanted to keep the aliens away from a corridor. Usualy when you really don't want aliens reaching your base ( defenses down, reactor rebuilding, critical buildings missing ... )

Fine. When you do it repeatedly as a substitute for actually heading down the hallway to take on the alien, even when you have good armour/weapons, THAT'S spamming.

[beerbitch]

Fine. When you do it repeatedly as a substitute for actually heading down the hallway to take on the alien, even when you have good armour/weapons, THAT'S spamming.

Why is that spamming ? I like the comparison to supressing fire. That makes more sense. This sounds more like whining to me. If its a feature, whats wrong with it ? So somebody ELSE goes out and takes on the alien. Maybe that player chose to waste his creds sitting in the base with a BS and a Lucy, but its part of the game.

Do I need to buy some tampons and hand lotion for all you sissies ?

[temple]

Why is that spamming ? I like the comparison to supressing fire. That makes more sense. This sounds more like whining to me. If its a feature, whats wrong with it ? So somebody ELSE goes out and takes on the alien. Maybe that player chose to waste his creds sitting in the base with a BS and a Lucy, but its part of the game.

Do I need to buy some tampons and hand lotion for all you sissies ?

LOL

What would you do if a human was sitting at the end of a hall spamming Luci shots?  And lets say when he runs out of ammo, the next guy takes over spamming.  And lets say, there are other humans near him waiting.

[Undeference]

Luci spam can be secondary or fully charged, but it's just like any other spam... just shooting without really aiming / using any valid tactics. Firing even 1 shot down a hallway every 6 seconds without a reason is spamming.

There are two problems with it:
1. It can make lots of people lag a lot.
2. It gives a major advantage to total newbies. If there are 2 or 3 players spamming down a hallway and the occasional shot is fully charged (+repeater right next to the door), the skill of the alien team is negated. They just have to wait until someone joins the humans and decons the reactor so the humans will eventually run out of shots.

Pulse spam can be even worse sometimes.

BTW, Paradox, it takes 2 seconds to fully charge a shot.

[Stof]

1. It can make lots of people lag a lot.

I don't see how lucispam can cause any amount of lag. A simple fight between an human with pulse and a dretch produces more flying objects than 2 newbs spaming the luci down a long corridor.

[vcxzet]

if the problem is particles, adv basi/flamer causes more lag

[Undeference]

More lag than 30 or 40 lucifer cannon shots on someone's screen at once?

[Stof]

What is on screen for a player has little meaning to the amount of lag that player will face.

[rasz_pl]

if the problem is particles, adv basi/flamer causes more lag

have you seen a basi/flamer making sparks? so do I, lucy on the other hand makes SHITLOAD of sparks

[Stof]

have you seen a basi/flamer making sparks? so do I, lucy on the other hand makes SHITLOAD of sparks

Sparks are entirely simulated on client side. There's no way for them to cause any lag at all.